databank said:

steakfinger said:

RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:

I'm trying to understand the limits or parameters on what Howe can and can't talk about. First he says he can't even acknowledge if they found other songs from the Dawn project, not even in a general, ambigous way. But then he has no problem generally describing material they found from Prince's collaborations with Miles. That seems inconsistent to me, but perhaps I'm missing something.

Because you have to understand that if Howe said " We have songs from the Dawn ( I never heard of this thing before, and frankly I don't care), then Prince fans will read it, and will spread the news to the medias. Do you Know what does it imply ? Then, people in their lockdown and losing their jobs would absolutely want The Dawn to be released. There would be massive riots in the streets, everywhere in the World. . Then, the estate would be obliged to release it to respond to the huge demand, and sell it to millions copies. That would break their ultimate plan, that is to release Originals vol. 2 in 2025 and sell it to 50.000 copies worldwide, without even printing the lyrics.

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ROTFLMAO

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RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:

I'm trying to understand the limits or parameters on what Howe can and can't talk about. First he says he can't even acknowledge if they found other songs from the Dawn project, not even in a general, ambigous way. But then he has no problem generally describing material they found from Prince's collaborations with Miles. That seems inconsistent to me, but perhaps I'm missing something.

Because you have to understand that if Howe said " We have songs from the Dawn ( I never heard of this thing before, and frankly I don't care), then Prince fans will read it, and will spread the news to the medias. Do you Know what does it imply ? Then, people in their lockdown and losing their jobs would absolutely want The Dawn to be released. There would be massive riots in the streets, everywhere in the World. . Then, the estate would be obliged to release it to respond to the huge demand, and sell it to millions copies. That would break their ultimate plan, that is to release Originals vol. 2 in 2025 and sell it to 50.000 copies worldwide, without even printing the lyrics.

That doesn't answer my question. You're explaining why he can't talk about the Dawn, but you're not explaining why he can talk about the Miles collaborations. Fans will be clamoring for that as well. If everything you wrote was true, then he shouldn't talk about anything, including the Miles stuff. that was my original point: it's inconsistent.

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

p>The interview contained some other interesting, if somewhat cryptic, news, though.

Like...what?

Did u try Google translate? I know it doesn't always work so well but I guess it would give you most of the info. I not I can try to summarize the important point later.

RODSERLING said:

steakfinger said:

I know others have said it, but in case Sony has anyone checking on the fans here I’d just like to say - once again - CB 98 IS BRICKWALLED TO DEATH LEAVING THE HANDLEFUL OF GOOD TRACKS UNLISTENABLE. Please remaster from the original mixes. I, for one, would live to be able to take certain songs from CB 98 and make playlists that don’t have crazy volume differences.

Some said here the vinyl of these reissues have better sound than the original CD releases.

Well if and only IF Sony does the job properly, a new master has to be created for the LP's if the album wasn't ever released on LP, because normally you need to create an appropriate, separate master for each format (LP, CD, cassette, digital, etc.). I never knew if Sony did the job properly or went cheap on people and merely transfered the CD master to LP, but then if the LP's sound better it probably means they did proper LP masters. CB should then be remastered for the LP, even if they keep using the old CD master for the CD (and possibly for digital versions as well). I'm not sure how much difference there is, if any at all, between creating a new master for a new format and properly remastering an album for every available format, though. Kares would know.

databank said:

databank said:

lurker316 said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Did u try Google translate? I know it doesn't always work so well but I guess it would give you most of the info. I not I can try to summarize the important point later.

Google translating what exactly? French is my first language, so I cam read an interview written in French, thank you. So, I was just wondering what you thought "interesting", since he didn't say anything that weren't very vague or obvious.

Juste les annonces de projets envisageables et explications données. C'était pas grand chose mais déjà plus qu'il ne nous dit d'habitude.

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said: Like...what?

Did u try Google translate? I know it doesn't always work so well but I guess it would give you most of the info. I not I can try to summarize the important point later.

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There is basically no interesting info whatsoever we don't already know, besides the fact that he said in

a November 13 (2020) interview that something 'new', more recent, would 'soon' be released.

The interview was published on December 25, we're now January 5th... nearly two months further.

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Then he said about another 'Purple Rain re-issue' that he would love to have a more expanded version released,

cause he was not pleased with the unreleased 'When Doves Cry' more expanded instrumentation version, etc,

but he made it very clear that he had no power over that release whatsoever...

like basically over every project he talked about or implied.

He did say they're working on two project (I hope so, if not they are super lazy!).

He didn't say what, he didn't say when, he even didn't even slightly imply whatsoever it might be.

A long interview with great and well informed questions and no interesting answers by Howe at all.

It almost seems like he's a well trained politician that talks a lot and says nothing,

always praising the fans with a lot of friendly useless hot air.

As if the information circus conerning all things Prince is a serious threat to the international security.

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The only positive vibe I get from that interview is that he absolutely reads whatever we say here or on other social media.

So Mr. Howe possibly has an account here I presume.

He said he was shocked about the harsh comments he received from the fans on social media and Prince forums.

He urges us to keep discussing and informing them with comments and ideas.

What doesn't mean they will pay full attentiont to all we propose of course.

So it might be important and quite interesting that we provide well-informed and well-considered information, rather than impossible-to-attain ideas.

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Like someone here pointed out: PRINT THE LYRICS, or at least find a way to provide us with the Lyrics.

Flaws like dark text on black backgrounds,should be avoid, just keep it readable.

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For whatever reason they did not include Sheila E with the SOTT SDE, I still considder a remarcable mistake.

She was basically not even mentioned.

I can understand she has her reasons, but they could use her interviews she did for Prince in within the project.

That surely would've been possible within the legal posibilies.

And why was Miko Weaver not involved as well ? I follow him on Instagram, so he is out there to be found and he is approachable.

I don't understand what happened there. (Anyone some info ?)

And why not even let some technicians speak?

People that helped building the tour ?

Could be interesting too.

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RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:

That doesn't answer my question. You're explaining why he can't talk about the Dawn, but you're not explaining why he can talk about the Miles collaborations. Fans will be clamoring for that as well. If everything you wrote was true, then he shouldn't talk about anything, including the Miles stuff. that was my original point: it's inconsistent.

I was just ironic you know... The only consistence was that he was all the time very vague about everything. He didn't say more about Miles than about everything else, when you think about it. . And what he said about Miles could be contradicted with the next release, or the next interview, as he always does.

He gave one very important detail about the Miles stuff that he didn't give about the Dawn stuff: He acknowledged that it exists.

In other words, he confirmed the Miles stuff exists, but said the NDA prevents him from confirming whether the Dawn stuff exists.

Why can he confirm the existence of one but not the other?

lurker316 said:

RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:

He gave one very important detail about the Miles stuff that he didn't give about the Dawn stuff: He acknowledged that it exists.

In other words, he confirmed the Miles stuff exists, but said the NDA prevents him from confirming whether the Dawn stuff exists.

Why can he confirm the existence of one but not the other?

He just said there were pieces of tapes, but no song recorded. That meams : nothing exists. We don't even know what was the real output of Miles Davis on Can I play With U, from what Eric Leeds played.

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Exactly.

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RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:

He gave one very important detail about the Miles stuff that he didn't give about the Dawn stuff: He acknowledged that it exists.

In other words, he confirmed the Miles stuff exists, but said the NDA prevents him from confirming whether the Dawn stuff exists.

Why can he confirm the existence of one but not the other?

He just said there were pieces of tapes, but no song recorded. That meams : nothing exists. We don't even know what was the real output of Miles Davis on Can I play With U, from what Eric Leeds played.

U can't tell a trumpet from a saxophone? I mean I'm sure u don't mean that, but then IDK what u mean.

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Well if and only IF Sony does the job properly, a new master has to be created for the LP's if the album wasn't ever released on LP, because normally you need to create an appropriate, separate master for each format (LP, CD, cassette, digital, etc.). I never knew if Sony did the job properly or went cheap on people and merely transfered the CD master to LP, but then if the LP's sound better it probably means they did proper LP masters. CB should then be remastered for the LP, even if they keep using the old CD master for the CD (and possibly for digital versions as well). I'm not sure how much difference there is, if any at all, between creating a new master for a new format and properly remastering an album for every available format, though. Kares would know.

You know, I think this is BS and that the Sony reissues sound exactly the same that on CD. IIRC, Most fans who bought the vinyl reissues didn't even listened to it. It s mostly for the collection. Reviews were rare.

There have been numerous waveform analysis posts both on here and on Discord which show a substantial difference.

embmmusic said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said: You know, I think this is BS and that the Sony reissues sound exactly the same that on CD. IIRC, Most fans who bought the vinyl reissues didn't even listened to it. It s mostly for the collection. Reviews were rare.

There have been numerous waveform analysis posts both on here and on Discord which show a substantial difference.

Evidence that:

- "My ears tell me that..." cannot be considered a valid argument, unless maybe someone has a strong training in engineering or exceptional good ears that have passed several blind tests.

- Sony, despite messing up with the Versace Experience, tries to do things a little professionally.

databank said:

- Sony, despite messing up with the Versace Experience, tries to do things a little professionally.

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Please link to posts with explanations of Sony messup of Versace experience.

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By the way,

I only listen to vinyl.

Only CD's when there's no vinyl available.

And I'm not alone.

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udo said:

databank said:

- Sony, despite messing up with the Versace Experience, tries to do things a little professionally.

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Please link to posts with explanations of Sony messup of Versace experience.

sourced from sub par promo cassette.

databank said:

I don't really understand why all the outrage, no one forces anyone to buy these Sony rereleases, and they don't get in the way of archive releases either since these are 2 separate programs.

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Based on what Sony has done so far, it appears this will be a regular reissue, not a SDE, so remastering seems out of the question for now (but may eventually happen for some sort of SDE). As for any sort of re-editing or tinkering, I simply can't believe there are still people daring asking for this. P's albums (or any other artist's albums, for that matter) are what they are and should remain so after they die. Asking for archivists to alter them is, forgive me for being so blunt, utter stupidity.

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The interview contained some other interesting, if somewhat cryptic, news, though.

you know folks just live to complain on this site

tab32792 said:

you know folks just live to complain on this site

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I think this must mean that you do not get it yet.

When one is slightly more 'attached' to Prince than the average person, and not simply idolizing the artist, then the flaws come into view.

Flaws in Prince, flaws in paisley park, flaws in NPG records, flaws in WB, flaws in the Estate, etc.

And when we're vocal about these perceived flaws then we complain.

This means that you might be less `attached`.

Vannormal said:

The only positive vibe I get from that interview is that he absolutely reads whatever we say here or on other social media.

So Mr. Howe possibly has an account here I presume.

He said he was shocked about the harsh comments he received from the fans on social media and Prince forums.

He urges us to keep discussing and informing them with comments and ideas.

What doesn't mean they will pay full attentiont to all we propose of course.

So it might be important and quite interesting that we provide well-informed and well-considered information, rather than impossible-to-attain ideas.

Then he must know by now what we need: a NPGMC type of downloading subscription or a Bandcamp online store (Bandcamp can also provide subscription services BTW, Bill Laswell just created one (https://billlaswell.bandcamp.com/) for all that material that cannot find its way to the CD/LP racks or be worthy of the SDE treatment, such as rehearsals and these live shows, studio outtakes or rare edits that are mostly of interest only to the most hardcore fanbase.

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There is simply way too much material in that vault for just 5 CD's and one DVD or so of new material to be released every year without the fanbase being increasingly frustrated after some years.

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I know we got 5 CD's and 1 DVD of unreleased material each year for the last 2 years, which is of course very satisfactory in itself, but because we know the amount of recordings the Estate owns and have so many bootlegs, there will always be an appetite for more and, I would say, probably more in the next 20/30 years of so than ever, because after that many fans who loved Prince's music in his lifetime will be dead, and no one can tell whether future generations will be as interested as us in hardcore material. Take our money now, we're here

Vannormal said:

He said he was shocked about the harsh comments he received from the fans on social media and Prince forums.

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I do hope he understands that the unprofessionalism until now needs correcting.

A few issues were repeatedly posted here by me.

There will be others as well.

Michael can OrgNote me if he cannot find stuff and needs the short version from me.

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If, on the other hand, he cannot look further than the shape of things he is doomed to fail again.

databank said:

i would like every note to be released, everything, literally everything. if something's not up to snuff to go on an SDE outtakes disc then put it back on the shelf and pull it out again when they have a way (a subscription type service?) to market it to the hardcores that care.

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Well if and only IF Sony does the job properly, a new master has to be created for the LP's if the album wasn't ever released on LP, because normally you need to create an appropriate, separate master for each format (LP, CD, cassette, digital, etc.). I never knew if Sony did the job properly or went cheap on people and merely transfered the CD master to LP, but then if the LP's sound better it probably means they did proper LP masters. CB should then be remastered for the LP, even if they keep using the old CD master for the CD (and possibly for digital versions as well). I'm not sure how much difference there is, if any at all, between creating a new master for a new format and properly remastering an album for every available format, though. Kares would know.

You know, I think this is BS and that the Sony reissues sound exactly the same that on CD. IIRC, Most fans who bought the vinyl reissues didn't even listened to it. It s mostly for the collection. Reviews were rare.

That is nonsense.... I've talked about how great the vinyl reissues by Sony have been every chance I get on here....

Sony ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, DEFINITELY DID NOT use the same masters from the CDs when pressing to the new vinyl issues.... the difference in sound is NIGHT and DAY...

For most of the Sony reissue albums, it's the FIRST TIME they have been actually listenable, the first time they have not been brickwalled to hell.... the FIRST TIME they have been released without the music actually BEING DAMAGED by brickwalling.

And I also ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, DEFINITELY listen to the vinyl reissues... each and every one of them sounds SUBLIME. Sony did an absolutely A1 bang-up job on them, no fucking around.

In most cases, these vinyl issues are currently the DEFINITIVE versions of these albums, the closest to how they were actually meant to sound, because they have been mastered properly for the FIRST TIME ever.

Also someone said the NEWS was an NPG and that's just wrong. It's a Prince album... it, er, even has his name on the cover.

Bring on the NEWS vinyl edition! Wahoo!!!!!

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Then he must know by now what we need: a NPGMC type of downloading subscription or a Bandcamp online store (Bandcamp can also provide subscription services BTW, Bill Laswell just created one (https://billlaswell.bandcamp.com/) for all that material that cannot find its way to the CD/LP racks or be worthy of the SDE treatment, such as rehearsals and these live shows, studio outtakes or rare edits that are mostly of interest only to the most hardcore fanbase.

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There is simply way too much material in that vault for just 5 CD's and one DVD or so of new material to be released every year without the fanbase being increasingly frustrated after some years.

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I know we got 5 CD's and 1 DVD of unreleased material each year for the last 2 years, which is of course very satisfactory in itself, but because we know the amount of recordings the Estate owns and have so many bootlegs, there will always be an appetite for more and, I would say, probably more in the next 20/30 years of so than ever, because after that many fans who loved Prince's music in his lifetime will be dead, and no one can tell whether future generations will be as interested as us in hardcore material. Take our money now, we're here

The thing is : is everything has to be really be released? Judging by what has already been released physically, to me the answer is : no. There are already many clunkers, and some other tracks that are fun to listen to two or three times, such as The Ballad od DP with hors, but not everything is really indispensable. So, I m fine with what has already been released, I don't want especially more from 1999 or SOTT. Maybe I already had too much to digest and to really care about. It s still fun fromman historical point of view, but musically, I don't think it worth it. Moreover, it makes the set too expensive for most of the fans. . As long as they release a SDE each year, I m fine with that.

U don't have to buy it all. Some of us will. Why would u wanna deprive us of that?

databank said:

Vannormal said:

The only positive vibe I get from that interview is that he absolutely reads whatever we say here or on other social media.

So Mr. Howe possibly has an account here I presume.

He said he was shocked about the harsh comments he received from the fans on social media and Prince forums.

He urges us to keep discussing and informing them with comments and ideas.

What doesn't mean they will pay full attentiont to all we propose of course.

So it might be important and quite interesting that we provide well-informed and well-considered information, rather than impossible-to-attain ideas.

Then he must know by now what we need: a NPGMC type of downloading subscription or a Bandcamp online store (Bandcamp can also provide subscription services BTW, Bill Laswell just created one (https://billlaswell.bandcamp.com/) for all that material that cannot find its way to the CD/LP racks or be worthy of the SDE treatment, such as rehearsals and these live shows, studio outtakes or rare edits that are mostly of interest only to the most hardcore fanbase.

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There is simply way too much material in that vault for just 5 CD's and one DVD or so of new material to be released every year without the fanbase being increasingly frustrated after some years.

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I know we got 5 CD's and 1 DVD of unreleased material each year for the last 2 years, which is of course very satisfactory in itself, but because we know the amount of recordings the Estate owns and have so many bootlegs, there will always be an appetite for more and, I would say, probably more in the next 20/30 years of so than ever, because after that many fans who loved Prince's music in his lifetime will be dead, and no one can tell whether future generations will be as interested as us in hardcore material. Take our money now, we're here

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All true.

But i'm with peace now, knowing we will never get it all.

I realize what we all (can) have right now is just fenomenal !

Not many fans out there of any other artist/group (maybe Frank Zappa fans) have so much.

I mean, OK the bootlegs don't live up to quality etc, but they are there.

And there is just sooooooooo much to be found.

We Prince fans are spoiled - that's for sure.

If Prince was still alive, and was getting a 100 years old, we would never ever have so much as we do have now.

I strongly believe that.

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But again, sure it would be nice to release more for us hungry fans, and for those who are into live shows.

I understand the craving as well.

I don't need all the shows of every tour for example.

Just sayin'

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