herb4 said:

Milty2 said:

I kinda feel this way too. I like the album but then I don't. It confuses me. Whenever Prince had an agenda with an album, like TRC or even 20Ten, more than often I ended up loving it. But with Plectrum (and HNR I) it feels like he it didn't quite reach its mark.

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What do you think his agenda was with 20Ten?

I think he just wanted to prove that he could distribute his music any way he wanted again. I know he already did that exact same thing with Planet Earth a few years before but i think 20Ten was also very straight forward musically and so he wanted to get it into the hands of as many people as possible. Plus ya know...if the magazine ws paying for it, then why not?

20Ten doesn't have a lot of experimentation but it's very much a Prince album. I don't know the genesis of those songs but I believe it to be a very tight little pop album.

I don't think anyone needs more of PlectrumElectrum. I do appreciate that this project gave him some "spark" again, but the material on the album itself is not all that strong.

There are SO many other albums deserving of a Super Deluxe Edition.

OperatingThetan said:

There is also 3RDEYEGIRL's second completed album with Prince. It was reported by Ida (I think) that Prince and 3RDEYEGIRL recorded around 200 songs together alone, including a fully realised version of 'That Girl Thang'. Remember also, the song 'Indifference', which sounds like it came out of some acoustic sessions and was very strong.

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Bring on the SDE's!

Sounds like there's plenty of material...

Se7en said:

I don't think anyone needs more of PlectrumElectrum. I do appreciate that this project gave him some "spark" again, but the material on the album itself is not all that strong.

There are SO many other albums deserving of a Super Deluxe Edition.

It might be the one single album with the most outtakes or session tracks since he was promoting that shit for 2 years until he finally rubbed that nut out with a rather disappointing result in the end but there were some nice tracks down the road (MIDNITE BLUES )

To me it always felt like this album went through about seventeen different sequences going from an all instrumental to a full out rock album to a mix between those to a full on girlband album to what we ended up with which is a sort of updated CHAOS & DISORDER with the rock tracks being less medolic or memorable and the funk tracks being even more deplorable

That does not mean it is a shit album, I still like it But it would have been a better EP.

In fact I wish he'd taken off all the female lead vocal tracks, did his own take on WHITECAPS and added 1 more banging rocker and just released it as a short, rough, DIRTYMINDFORTHEZEROS kind of thing. Clockin in at around 30 minutes.

Same would have been nice for HITNRUN. But that's a different thread

To get back to my initial point: PLECTRUMELECTRUM has a shit ton of material that was considered for it at one point or another. People think the many Dream Factory configs are confusing? I wish we could see all the tracklists he dabbled in his notebooks and on the occasional napkin for this one

So yes please, Super Deluxe Edition with some of those A-MA-ZING live shows from england or such,
a dvd of one of their european concerts and 4 discs of unreleased studio songs.

Milty2 said:

Vannormal said:

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I'll never understand what the hell was going on in Prince's mind by involving Joshua in this.

Was it a jehovah thing, or was he desperate for a different/contemporary sound that already sounded outdated when it was released.

To me this record sounds as his most deperate ever.

Vicarious shame. I can barely listen to it.

Those first two opening tracks are by far his worst ever imho.

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If there are versions without the Josh involvement without the whooshes and superficial production,

I might give it another try. Might.

Sorry guys - bash me.

Peace though.

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I kinda feel this way too. I like the album but then I don't. It confuses me. Whenever Prince had an agenda with an album, like TRC or even 20Ten, more than often I ended up loving it. But with Plectrum (and HNR I) it feels like he it didn't quite reach its mark.

Not to sound morbid here but I think that 2013 - 2016 was a transition period for Prince. I feel like he was trying to get to a musical place that he hadn't reached yet. Hence the hodge podge of one-off internet singles and random live streams of a locked off camera shot of a mixing board. Plus, he was getting up there in years. Even though he was still incredibly vital, I think he let go a little bit on the control of his sound. Enter Joshua. Or maybe he just ran out of ideas for the moment.

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What we should not forget is that he slowly became very ill during that period.

He started to lose a lot of weight.

That's what we know for sure about the people who were close to him.

It's easy to hide a lot with such a beautiful big afro and tons of makeup.

Obviously, he was not at his best, aging or not.

And certainly not for a man with his physical abilities in his mid/late fifties.

I think this is an important reason to keep in mind.

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Frankly, poor prince ... poor fool.

I really feel sorry for him for what he went through.

Especially to put himself so high on the top, away from so many people who could have helped him.

Just all alone - and he unfortunately caused it himself.

At least that's what I think of it.

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I don't hate the PE album but if we're going to mine this period, i'd prefer hearing Black is the New Black or H&R Phase 3 which I've herad were in the can.

Truth be told, what I really want is a box set with:

1. Aftershow CD compilation
2. Live CD compilation
3. Vault 1 circa 1990's
4. Vault 2 circa 2000's
5. Vault 3 circa 2010's
6. Live DVD compilation or rare show
7. Aftershow DVD compilation
8. An unrealeased album (Roadhouse Garden, Black is the New Black, whatever) - or more aftershow shit.

Now there's a SDE I can get behind. Rehashing anything at this point feels tired to me since we all know there's so much unreleased stuff and I've heard Lovesexy, Parade, D&P so much already. Prince's aftershow legacy and live recording alone is criminaly undocumented. Only thing I really play of his anymore is rare stuff. I love Controversy and Dirty Mind and Parade and Love Symbol but I beat them to death.

I don't play the Stones, Zeppelin, Stevie or Pink Floyd much anymore either just cause I'm over it.

I like what Elton John jusr did releasing a really good album of unreleased material he did with Bernie Taupin in his heydey. So let's do that.

herb4 said:

I don't hate the PE album but if we're going to mine this period, i'd prefer hearing Black is the New Black or H&R Phase 3 which I've herad were in the can.

Truth be told, what I really want is a box set with:

1. Aftershow CD compilation
2. Live CD compilation
3. Vault 1 circa 1990's
4. Vault 2 circa 2000's
5. Vault 3 circa 2010's
6. Live DVD compilation or rare show
7. Aftershow DVD compilation
8. An unrealeased album (Roadhouse Garden, Black is the New Black, whatever) - or more aftershow shit.

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WTF?!

Compilations?

Give me the full show uncut or you can keep your compilation mess.

Prince never ever intended an aftershow to be cut, let alone published, so why do both now?

Milty2 said:

Vannormal said:

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I'll never understand what the hell was going on in Prince's mind by involving Joshua in this.

Was it a jehovah thing, or was he desperate for a different/contemporary sound that already sounded outdated when it was released.

To me this record sounds as his most deperate ever.

Vicarious shame. I can barely listen to it.

Those first two opening tracks are by far his worst ever imho.

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If there are versions without the Josh involvement without the whooshes and superficial production,

I might give it another try. Might.

Sorry guys - bash me.

Peace though.

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I kinda feel this way too. I like the album but then I don't. It confuses me. Whenever Prince had an agenda with an album, like TRC or even 20Ten, more than often I ended up loving it. But with Plectrum (and HNR I) it feels like he it didn't quite reach its mark.

Not to sound morbid here but I think that 2013 - 2016 was a transition period for Prince. I feel like he was trying to get to a musical place that he hadn't reached yet. Hence the hodge podge of one-off internet singles and random live streams of a locked off camera shot of a mixing board. Plus, he was getting up there in years. Even though he was still incredibly vital, I think he let go a little bit on the control of his sound. Enter Joshua. Or maybe he just ran out of ideas for the moment.

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To get back to your respond...

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I'm not sure if he wanted to go to a new musical place.

He did not lack of the songwriting skills, nor the playing or production.

His sound is so unmistakenly great and recognisable. That respect he had.

And his choice for not releasing albums in four years remains a mistery to me too.

(Was he nearly bakrupt? Did he had difficulty finding trust with the companies ?)

Also the choice to work with an overrated uncharismatic all girl band (which I still think is a fantastic idea, knowing him)...

Could it be that he was also in transition with his believes ?

Sort of a midlife struggle ? Or a combination of all these things ?

TBH, after ''The Rainbow Children'', which obviously was a full painfull pamflet, that was accepted musically?

...but was left unresponded by most just because the somehow silly aimlessly preaching lyrics were not accepted from a guy known by approaching all known carnal lusts ??

Although it was given limited attention by the press.

The attention on new Prince releases had actually not been that interesting for a long time.

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udo said:

herb4 said:

I don't hate the PE album but if we're going to mine this period, i'd prefer hearing Black is the New Black or H&R Phase 3 which I've herad were in the can.

Truth be told, what I really want is a box set with:

1. Aftershow CD compilation
2. Live CD compilation
3. Vault 1 circa 1990's
4. Vault 2 circa 2000's
5. Vault 3 circa 2010's
6. Live DVD compilation or rare show
7. Aftershow DVD compilation
8. An unrealeased album (Roadhouse Garden, Black is the New Black, whatever) - or more aftershow shit.

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WTF?!

Compilations?

Give me the full show uncut or you can keep your compilation mess.

Prince never ever intended an aftershow to be cut, let alone published, so why do both now?

I guess because there'd be too much arguing about picking just ONE show. You're right though.

herb4 said:

udo said:

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WTF?!

Compilations?

Give me the full show uncut or you can keep your compilation mess.

Prince never ever intended an aftershow to be cut, let alone published, so why do both now?

I guess because there'd be too much arguing about picking just ONE show. You're right though.

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If bootleggars can earn a bit with 300-500 piece releases, then why can't a 'big' label of unprofessionals as is the WB-Estate construct simply release them all?

I mean: this is the 21st century.

You either release them now or they will release them never.

They're too stupid to understand these times, this era, of CD markets, buying power, the dollar decline, etc, etc, etc.

They hide behind NDA's and think they're video mastering pro's.

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In the other world: where can I send a few 2TB harddisks to be filled up with this stuff?

Yes, they can be encrypted no problem.

(if they think downlaods are 'insecure'...)

I'm cool with how the Estate is handling things. I don't need to hear every live show that Prince did but I would love to hear certain shows in good quality. In that case, the model that Bruce Springsteen has is a good one to potentially follow.

Milty2 said:

I'm cool with how the Estate is handling things. I don't need to hear every live show that Prince did but I would love to hear certain shows in good quality. In that case, the model that Bruce Springsteen has is a good one to potentially follow.

Maybe one from each tour, in good qaulity

kpowers said:

Milty2 said:

I'm cool with how the Estate is handling things. I don't need to hear every live show that Prince did but I would love to hear certain shows in good quality. In that case, the model that Bruce Springsteen has is a good one to potentially follow.

Maybe one from each tour, in good qaulity

Totally.

Milty2 said:

I don't need to hear every live show that Prince did

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WTF!?

What else is your raison d' etre?

Especially with the abysmal job that the Estate/WB are doing until now w.r.t. freeing the vault, you should strive for even more than just a show from each tour.

There's plenty of decent b00tlegs out there that can satisfy just that.

From the unprofessionals at WB/Estate I do expect some more.

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As you could gather, I intend to hear as many Prince shows as I can.

Life is too short not to.

It is just that some people can't understand.

Milty2 said:

I'm cool with how the Estate is handling things. I don't need to hear every live show that Prince did but I would love to hear certain shows in good quality. In that case, the model that Bruce Springsteen has is a good one to potentially follow.

if they just sell me the 1981 concert at The Ritz in New York, and his debut opening Night At The Capri Theatre in Minneapolis, im good for life... unless they wanna unlease the footage of the rednecks at the LAColiseum throwing shit onstage, ill buy that too....

udo said:

Milty2 said:

I don't need to hear every live show that Prince did

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WTF!?

What else is your raison d' etre?

Especially with the abysmal job that the Estate/WB are doing until now w.r.t. freeing the vault, you should strive for even more than just a show from each tour.

There's plenty of decent b00tlegs out there that can satisfy just that.

From the unprofessionals at WB/Estate I do expect some more.

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As you could gather, I intend to hear as many Prince shows as I can.

Life is too short not to.

It is just that some people can't understand.

It's not important to me to hear EVERY Prince show. I have at least one boot of every tour and I can judge which is the preferred ones FOR ME. There are things I know I want to hear in good quality audio like Dreamer from 2011 (one sho win very particular) or The Beautiful Ones from the 1993 (with the insane NPH Hornz) but if each show is up online, I can peruse if I want and collect what I want.

And so yes....I do understand.

TrevorAyer said:

dont forget montreux plus those other 2 soundboards he let loose .. they are better than the album and all the b side internet singles

If I were the estate I'd get the rights to put the 2009 Montreaux shows out ASAP.

RJOrion said:

Boy Trouble is a horrible song... horrible rapping by horrible rappers over a throwaway beat...

BoyTrouble is my JAAAAM, so funky. I can't sit still when I listen to it.

udo said:

herb4 said:

I don't hate the PE album but if we're going to mine this period, i'd prefer hearing Black is the New Black or H&R Phase 3 which I've herad were in the can.

Truth be told, what I really want is a box set with:

1. Aftershow CD compilation
2. Live CD compilation
3. Vault 1 circa 1990's
4. Vault 2 circa 2000's
5. Vault 3 circa 2010's
6. Live DVD compilation or rare show
7. Aftershow DVD compilation
8. An unrealeased album (Roadhouse Garden, Black is the New Black, whatever) - or more aftershow shit.

.

WTF?!

Compilations?

Give me the full show uncut or you can keep your compilation mess.

Prince never ever intended an aftershow to be cut, let alone published, so why do both now?

Prince released two aftershow compilations on CD - from One Nite Alone and 21 Nights in London. Both contained recordings from more than one show, and neither contained entire shows.

lezama said:

TrevorAyer said:

dont forget montreux plus those other 2 soundboards he let loose .. they are better than the album and all the b side internet singles

If I were the estate I'd get the rights to put the 2009 Montreaux shows out ASAP.

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While they're at it they can solve the Estae and give the inheritance to the heirs.

I mean: getting rights can take 'some time'.

Please do not forget the boots of the Montreux shows.

Montreal I do not know about, nor about Montreaux.

lezama said:

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If I were the estate I'd get the rights to put the 2009 Montreaux shows out ASAP.

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Now that Prince is not there to ask for insane prices, it will happen. Don't worry.

This could be interesting if they include the testpressing that Prince posted a picture of on the 3rdEyeGirl site with the earlier or alternate version of the album in it with outtakes. A live set is not needed for me because even tho the setlists were cool the bad drumming and guitar playing from the band put me off.

whats up with that last part he sings on another love? i liked that song and then it ends with 'I'm the greatest living soul U'll ever know'

i get that when you break up with someone, that might be something youll say, but it just sounds weird and boastful coming from prince, rather than a sort of deluded, trying to desperately reassure/curse someone that no longer wants you.

Alice Smith's version is great,princes version is very much that kind of angry embittered lover genre he likes so much

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JorisE73 said:

This could be interesting if they include the testpressing that Prince posted a picture of on the 3rdEyeGirl site with the earlier or alternate version of the album in it with outtakes. A live set is not needed for me because even tho the setlists were cool the bad drumming and guitar playing from the band put me off.

kirky j > hannah

pretty much everything from this era is generally uninteresting to me, i don't hate it but i don't think it has much going on. anotherlove is far and away the best track on the album, and that's a cover.

lustmealways said:

pretty much everything from this era is generally uninteresting to me, i don't hate it but i don't think it has much going on. anotherlove is far and away the best track on the album, and that's a cover.

PE is the only album from that era I actively dislike. I normally like Prince's rock-oriented albums. In fact, Lotusflow3r is one of my absolute favorites. But the style of rock on PE displeases my ears, like nails on a chalkboard.

Of the other albums from that era:

I really HNR Phase 2. I recognize that it's a collection of songs rather than a cohesive album, but nevertheless it's a collection of very good songs (not great songs, but above average songs).

While I see some faults in AOA, I see some reallygood stuff too, and I appreciate that Prince tried to do something different.

I think HNR Phase 1 is a weak album, but I can still listen to it and enjoy it for being bubble-gum pop. In that respect (that I can actually listen to it), it's still better than PE.

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TrevorAyer said:

RJOrion said:

TrevorAyer said:

kirky j > hannah

yeah, Kirky J was a killer on drums 😎

lurker316 said:

lustmealways said:

pretty much everything from this era is generally uninteresting to me, i don't hate it but i don't think it has much going on. anotherlove is far and away the best track on the album, and that's a cover.

PE is the only album from that era I actively dislike. I normally like Prince's rock-oriented albums. In fact, Lotusflow3r is one of my absoluate favorites. But the style of rock on PE displeases my ears, like nails on a chalkboard.

Of the other albums from that era:

I really HNR Phase 2. I recognize that it's a collection of songs rather than a cohesive album, but nevertheless it's a collection of above very good songs (not great songs, but above average songs).

While I see some faults in AOA, I see some reallygood stuff too, and I appreciate that Prince tried to do something different.

I think HNR Phase 1 is a weak album, but I can still listen to it and enjoy it for being bubble-gum pop. In that respect (that I can actually listen to it), it's still better than PE.

yup to all this

1) AOA

2) HNR2

then following far behind

3)PE

4)HNR2

some of PE is actively awful

there is much on HR1 that is also terrible, but its not horrible

the one saving grace on PE is another love