Margot said:

Wasn't Lizzo 'helping' on Boy Trouble?

yes...

Please no recent stuff. I was very close to dropping Prince in his later years.

Vannormal said:

thedoorkeeper said:

OperatingThetan said:

thedoorkeeper said:

I would LOVE a SDE of New Power Soul. That's a no brainer! I mean Come On! [Edited 12/26/20 18:14pm]

I'll second that. And we have heard so little of Prince's recorded output in 98, including the full Madrid 2 Chicago album. I actually think a 98 archival project might be revelatory and would be ideal for some sort of premium service/pre-order for hardcore fans.

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I don't know why I mentioned that particular album tbh.

Perhaps because I oten read here that most fans don't like that one.

Honestly, I kinda have a weak spot for that album too.

...let me quickly change that to a SDE of Kamasutra.

lol

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I think this is the only Prince album that I listened to from start to finish just one single time and never again. I just can't stomach it, it is so bad. Maybe it's the shouty group vocal throughout the record, that and the lyrics. I'm not even sure what it is I hate about the lyrics so much. It's the church-rock dabblings of a ageing pop star, with some cranky / judgemental / churchy sounding lyrics spoken through people much younger than him. It's like this elderly legacy artist trying to be a bit more in your face by speaking through some youngsters and ends up coming out as being horribly out of touch.

Some good riffing at times, maybe it'd be possible to scrape together a decent record out of this material some day but my personal view is that it belongs in the bin.

[Edited 12/27/20 1:17am]

ufoclub said:

TheBigBang said:

BOYTROUBLE is one of the worst songs ever written. For that reason alone, any Super Deluxe idea that doesn't somehow exclude it, is a bad idea.

The hate for BoyTrouble is perplexing to me... this is the one track that seems retro purple if you listen the the music (blank out the vocal is that's what's prominent, personally I never listen to vocals first, that's always an afterthought to me to check into later).

Same here. This is a fun track. But I usually don't listen to lyrics, so I guess it helps.

That's a "no" from me. I don't even play the original album. It doesn't click at all with me.

Vannormal said:

TheBigBang said:

BOYTROUBLE is one of the worst songs ever written. For that reason alone, any Super Deluxe idea that doesn't somehow exclude it, is a bad idea.

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I have to agree on that.

lol

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True.

No I even don't like the musicality of it.

For me it is not classic Prince at all.

And the lyrics... serious?

Must've been an idea of one of the younger girls

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Might as well release a SDE of 'New Power Soul' instead.

Affraid it's on the same level.

But we'll never know for sure until it happens,

And we all might be blown aways by a couple of unheard songs...

Who knows.

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This albums seemed more like Prince giving the girls a chance to do their thing and doesn't come across as a proper prince album at all.

ian said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Are these albums on vinyl? I imagine that would be more likely than a deluxe. Though the 3eg version of breakdown I've heard live is pretty excellent.

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Yes they are.

Google it.

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RODSERLING said:

Oh please no When Plec Elec was released, it was already such a letdown Screwdriver wasn't included, while it was by far the best song of the era. . I thought at the release, they should have included bonus tracks such as Let s Go crazy reloaded and music videos. Something to worth the price.

I thought the exclusion of Screwdriver was a sign that P took that album seriously - for me, one of th worst songs he ever recorded.

Seriously, I like quite of the internet singles, live material, and a hand full of the songs from the original album. I would appreciate it if they would offer digital downloads like this as well as all of his other stuff. I agree that it is low on the pecking order, but this should be reflected in making it a digital release only. In 20 years, nope. Who is to say we are going to be here in 20 years?

OperatingThetan said:

ian said:

I think this is the only Prince album that I listened to from start to finish just one single time and never again. I just can't stomach it, it is so bad. Maybe it's the shouty group vocal throughout the record, that and the lyrics. I'm not even sure what it is I hate about the lyrics so much. It's the church-rock dabblings of a ageing pop star, with some cranky / judgemental / churchy sounding lyrics spoken through people much younger than him. It's like this elderly legacy artist trying to be a bit more in your face by speaking through some youngsters and ends up coming out as being horribly out of touch.

Some good riffing at times, maybe it'd be possible to scrape together a decent record out of this material some day but my personal view is that it belongs in the bin.

[Edited 12/27/20 1:17am]

They excelled as a group live - I saw Prince numerous times but my favourite concert ever remains Prince with 3RDEYEGIRL at Shepherd's Bush, UK, in 2014 - but that raw live experience and the energy and inspiration Prince obviously felt doesn't quite translate to the finished album. There are some very solid songs present, but allowing Hannah that much vocal time and deviating beyond PLECTRUMELECTRUM being a straight rock album diluted its impact, I think. But a song like 'Indifference' shows you the direction it could've gone and Ida has confirmed that a lot of excellent material was recorded, including full 3RDEYEGIRL renditions of 'Breakdown' and 'That Girl Thang'.

Yeah personally I was sad to miss the 3EG UK shows - I think I was out of the country of the time. As players individually they are okay, probably my least favourite backing band of his but basically fine. I dislike the 3EG arrangements of classic songs like Let's Go Crazy but I'm sure the shows were great nonetheless.

The album just lacked some lyrical sincerity for me, I think it suffered a bit from Prince's "smarty-pants" persona, juxtaposed oddly against Hannah's vocals etc. Do you know what I mean? It's the voice of an older and perhaps more conservative artist who thinks he knows everything, and it sounds super weird coming out of the mouths of much younger performers. Such an ugly sounding mess, I definitely agree it doesn't really represent 3EG or Prince well, it ends up being less than the sum of its parts.

I think if Prince had handled the lead vocals across the whole album it would be viewed a lot more favorably. Ceding that responsibility I think drug the record down one star/grade based on that alone. But "Wow" is one of the best opening tracks on any of his records and "anotherlove" is one of his best covers.

The album is close to being something sort of special, unique in his catalog and even semi revelatory but the clunkers on it drag it down even another notch to where we ultimately get another B- effort. Most of the stuff came off much better live and I get what he was going for but it didn't really land and I doubt anyone is clamoring for a special edition of it either way. Certainly not the estate.

I think AoA was his last truly great record. In earlier years, PE would have been a side project but as time went on I think knew that releasing "Albums" really didn't amount to all that much, even though I thin he believed they still mattered. PE was like him letting the kids have a little fun in his paisley playground.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

AOA was his last decent album All the others released in the last years were surplus to requirements Plectrum was just something like exodus or gold nigga, some good stuff but a side project ultimately If someone was to compile the decent outtakes from this era, then great, but would it be 3cds worth? I strongly doubt it.

HnR 2 was his best album for 15 years.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

AOA was his last decent album All the others released in the last years were surplus to requirements Plectrum was just something like exodus or gold nigga, some good stuff but a side project ultimately If someone was to compile the decent outtakes from this era, then great, but would it be 3cds worth? I strongly doubt it.

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I'll never understand what the hell was going on in Prince's mind by involving Joshua in this.

Was it a jehovah thing, or was he desperate for a different/contemporary sound that already sounded outdated when it was released.

To me this record sounds as his most deperate ever.

Vicarious shame. I can barely listen to it.

Those first two opening tracks are by far his worst ever imho.

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If there are versions without the Josh involvement without the whooshes and superficial production,

I might give it another try. Might.

Sorry guys - bash me.

Peace though.

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Vannormal said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

AOA was his last decent album All the others released in the last years were surplus to requirements Plectrum was just something like exodus or gold nigga, some good stuff but a side project ultimately If someone was to compile the decent outtakes from this era, then great, but would it be 3cds worth? I strongly doubt it.

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I'll never understand what the hell was going on in Prince's mind by involving Joshua in this.

Was it a jehovah thing, or was he desperate for a different/contemporary sound that already sounded outdated when it was released.

To me this record sounds as his most deperate ever.

Vicarious shame. I can barely listen to it.

Those first two opening tracks are by far his worst ever imho.

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If there are versions without the Josh involvement without the whooshes and superficial production,

I might give it another try. Might.

Sorry guys - bash me.

Peace though.

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I kinda feel this way too. I like the album but then I don't. It confuses me. Whenever Prince had an agenda with an album, like TRC or even 20Ten, more than often I ended up loving it. But with Plectrum (and HNR I) it feels like he it didn't quite reach its mark.

Not to sound morbid here but I think that 2013 - 2016 was a transition period for Prince. I feel like he was trying to get to a musical place that he hadn't reached yet. Hence the hodge podge of one-off internet singles and random live streams of a locked off camera shot of a mixing board. Plus, he was getting up there in years. Even though he was still incredibly vital, I think he let go a little bit on the control of his sound. Enter Joshua. Or maybe he just ran out of ideas for the moment.

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

The hit n run albums feel like they're just emptying the bag

I can agree with this.

Milty2 said:

Is this just a wish list?

Milty2 said:

Vannormal said:

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I'll never understand what the hell was going on in Prince's mind by involving Joshua in this.

Was it a jehovah thing, or was he desperate for a different/contemporary sound that already sounded outdated when it was released.

To me this record sounds as his most deperate ever.

Vicarious shame. I can barely listen to it.

Those first two opening tracks are by far his worst ever imho.

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If there are versions without the Josh involvement without the whooshes and superficial production,

I might give it another try. Might.

Sorry guys - bash me.

Peace though.

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I kinda feel this way too. I like the album but then I don't. It confuses me. Whenever Prince had an agenda with an album, like TRC or even 20Ten, more than often I ended up loving it. But with Plectrum (and HNR I) it feels like he it didn't quite reach its mark.

moment.

[Edited 12/30/20 6:58am]

What do you think his agenda was with 20Ten?

totheteeth said:

There's so much good music in this era. He and the band rehearsed and wrote a ton of songs. Give this to us, Warner Bros.

Disc 1: the album
1."Wow"

2."Pretzelbodylogic"

3."Aintturninround"

4."Plectrumelectrum"

5."Whitecaps"

6."Fixurlifeup"

7."Boytrouble"

8."Stopthistrain"

9."Anotherlove"

10."Tictactoe"

11."Marz"

12."Funknroll"

Disc 2: re-loaded and remixed and alternative versions

1. lets go crazy (2013 version)

2. Screwdriver (remix)

3. RnR Remix 7

4. Empty Room (rehearsal)

5. Something In The Water (Paisley Park Rehearsal)

6. BOOMSTRATUS

7. What If (Strings)

8. Rumeta (Horns)

9. Rumeta (Strings)

Disc 3: b-sides and rehearsals

1. Da Bourgeoisie

2. octopus heart

3. Midnight Blues

4. Menstrual Cycle

5. Live Out Loud

6. The Sweeter She Is

7. ain't gonna miss u when ur gone

8. Boyfriend

9. That Girl Thang

10. What If

11. Same Page Different Book

12. Pangaea (Strings Only)

13. Rumeta (Original Version)

14. Frida Kahlo

Disc 4: Live - Baltimore May 10, 2015
setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/se...812f7.html

Honestly I wouldn't mind a deluxe edition for all of Prince's albums (I know that's a lot but I would buy them). However I think they should release all of Prince's music from 2010 and after should be released last.