Slash actually gave props to P?...I thought he hated him..he called him a (homophobic slur) in Rolling Stone magazine a long time ago.

SPYZFAN1 said:

Slash actually gave props to P?...I thought he hated him..he called him a (homophobic slur) in Rolling Stone magazine a long time ago.

yes he did and also Slash is playing on Rod Stewarts cover of Peach

SPYZFAN1 said:

Slash actually gave props to P?...I thought he hated him..he called him a (homophobic slur) in Rolling Stone magazine a long time ago.

rap said:

Are you sure? Mike Rutherford from Genesis has done some pretty interesting things over the years.

I'm not aware, but it's plausible. Genesis may have. However, I think with Banks being an even bigger keyboard nerd, he could've been more responsible for those things.

thebanishedone said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

Slash actually gave props to P?...I thought he hated him..he called him a (homophobic slur) in Rolling Stone magazine a long time ago.

yes he did and also Slash is playing on Rod Stewarts cover of Peach

never heard that cover before - thank you!!

TrivialPursuit said:

rap said:

Are you sure? Mike Rutherford from Genesis has done some pretty interesting things over the years.

I'm not aware, but it's plausible. Genesis may have. However, I think with Banks being an even bigger keyboard nerd, he could've been more responsible for those things.

I have looked at their Wikipedia page (I know, not the best source), and he seems a bit of a tech- head/studio whizz, with regard to some of their earlier stuff like "Mama", etc.

What a weird thread...

Wolfie87 said:

So what he's really saying is; Oh yeah, he's ok...but he's really shit. But I have to use my words in the most political correct terms to get away with dignity. Wierd is always a another word for bad or horrible.

I cant say that was the implication i picked up personally. To me, he basically called Prince unique but just went about using a lot of words to do so.

RJOrion said:

all that noisey shredding is cute and fancy, but the real guitar greats are rhythm masters as well... who the fuck is paul gilbert??. lemme hear him play rhythm like Prince, Al McKay, Nile Rogers, Ray Parker Jr, Jimmy Nolen, Catfish Collins, Leo Nocentelli, Tony Maiden or even Mico Weaver, before he start critiquing other greats

Well Put! Prince's rhythm guitar chops are astonishing. Add Ike Turner to your great list.

jdcxc said:

RJOrion said:

TrivialPursuit said:

No one was not worrying about track bleeding, yet when you hear the stems to "Let's Go Crazy", there is bleeding all over the place. Prince did that.

It's really magic. You listen to those stems and it's comically amateurish, and hard to believe it became one of the greatest songs of all time.

The Van Halen stems and demos are shockingly sloppy too though.

lavendardrummachine said:

It's really magic. You listen to those stems and it's comically amateurish, and hard to believe it became one of the greatest songs of all time.

The Van Halen stems and demos are shockingly sloppy too though.

I honestly think that's part of the charm of the 80s as a whole. People sorta flew by the seat of their pants, and music was made however they could do it. Nebraska is a good example of that, too. So is Dirty Mind. "Let's Go Crazy" struck me most with some of the keyboard sounds as if they came from a Kawaii keyboard at Target in 1982. Even the main little keyboard riff that plays against the rhythm guitar has a crass, shitty, electric sound that makes dogs bark. But in the song, you don't really notice it being that way. The grungy guitar, while perhaps a staple in some songs, just sounds like trash on its own. But in the mix - slammin'!

I think music felt more polished when things like Def Leppard's Hysteria hit the streets in 1987, with Mutt's meticulous production. Between songs like "Rock of Ages" and "Pour Some Sugar On Me," their sound and production is night and day.

And VH has multiple self-admitted mistakes on Diver Down. And of course, in comparison you get to 1984 and it all changed. Most would argue earlier VH albums had more appeal than 1984 (although that album is no slouch).

TrivialPursuit said:

lavendardrummachine said:

It's really magic. You listen to those stems and it's comically amateurish, and hard to believe it became one of the greatest songs of all time.

The Van Halen stems and demos are shockingly sloppy too though.

I honestly think that's part of the charm of the 80s as a whole. People sorta flew by the seat of their pants, and music was made however they could do it. Nebraska is a good example of that, too. So is Dirty Mind. "Let's Go Crazy" struck me most with some of the keyboard sounds as if they came from a Kawaii keyboard at Target in 1982. Even the main little keyboard riff that plays against the rhythm guitar has a crass, shitty, electric sound that makes dogs bark. But in the song, you don't really notice it being that way. The grungy guitar, while perhaps a staple in some songs, just sounds like trash on its own. But in the mix - slammin'!

I think music felt more polished when things like Def Leppard's Hysteria hit the streets in 1987, with Mutt's meticulous production. Between songs like "Rock of Ages" and "Pour Some Sugar On Me," their sound and production is night and day.

And VH has multiple self-admitted mistakes on Diver Down. And of course, in comparison you get to 1984 and it all changed. Most would argue earlier VH albums had more appeal than 1984 (although that album is no slouch).

Ernest,the keyboard sound u criticize is Oberhaim synth ,along the Prophet 5 the best synth ever,still sounding futuristic and fat.No way anything done with Oberhaim sounding like kawai keyboard.shitty keyboard sounds started around 1985

thebanishedone said:

The keyboard sound u criticize is Oberheimsynth, along the Prophet 5 the best synth ever, still sounding futuristic and fat. No way anything done with Oberhaim sounding like Kawai keyboard. Shitty keyboard sounds started around 1985.

On its own, just that tone sounds tinny and cheap in the stems of LGC. I clearly noted this. I also noted in the context of the song, it sounds fine.

Paul is absolute dead on. I am a guitar player myself and agree with his assessments. Prince is a weird guitar player not in a bad way, but he definitely isn't a technition and pulls out some really unique ideas due to his own creative approach to guitar

ForbiddenFruit said:

thebanishedone said:

yes he did and also Slash is playing on Rod Stewarts cover of Peach

never heard that cover before - thank you!!

you're welcome

TrivialPursuit said:

thebanishedone said:

The keyboard sound u criticize is Oberheimsynth, along the Prophet 5 the best synth ever, still sounding futuristic and fat. No way anything done with Oberhaim sounding like Kawai keyboard. Shitty keyboard sounds started around 1985.

On its own, just that tone sounds tinny and cheap in the stems of LGC. I clearly noted this. I also noted in the context of the song, it sounds fine.

that tone is called bells ,so u dont like bells

TrivialPursuit said:

lavendardrummachine said:

It's really magic. You listen to those stems and it's comically amateurish, and hard to believe it became one of the greatest songs of all time.

The Van Halen stems and demos are shockingly sloppy too though.

I honestly think that's part of the charm of the 80s as a whole. People sorta flew by the seat of their pants, and music was made however they could do it. Nebraska is a good example of that, too. So is Dirty Mind. "Let's Go Crazy" struck me most with some of the keyboard sounds as if they came from a Kawaii keyboard at Target in 1982. Even the main little keyboard riff that plays against the rhythm guitar has a crass, shitty, electric sound that makes dogs bark. But in the song, you don't really notice it being that way. The grungy guitar, while perhaps a staple in some songs, just sounds like trash on its own. But in the mix - slammin'!

I think music felt more polished when things like Def Leppard's Hysteria hit the streets in 1987, with Mutt's meticulous production. Between songs like "Rock of Ages" and "Pour Some Sugar On Me," their sound and production is night and day.

And VH has multiple self-admitted mistakes on Diver Down. And of course, in comparison you get to 1984 and it all changed. Most would argue earlier VH albums had more appeal than 1984 (although that album is no slouch).

Yeah trash is totally acurate, even the vocals and the lead guitar...and I can't fathom how any mix could spin gold out of that. It's just remarkable.

Even 1984's a mess. Hot For Teacher's guitar sounds like a drunk cover band. To think how many guitarists would obsess over trying to perfect those riffs when it turns out Eddie was playing loose and going for a vibe.

thebanishedone said:

TrivialPursuit said:

On its own, just that tone sounds tinny and cheap in the stems of LGC. I clearly noted this. I also noted in the context of the song, it sounds fine.

that tone is called bells ,so u dont like bells

Oh come on, didn't the synth stems make you laugh? The boogie woogie church organ sounds really do sound like someone testing a demo model of a cheaper synth. The Obberheim is my fav synth sound though.

lavendardrummachine said:

thebanishedone said:

that tone is called bells ,so u dont like bells

Oh come on, didn't the synth stems make you laugh? The boogie woogie church organ sounds really do sound like someone testing a demo model of a cheaper synth. The Obberheim is my fav synth sound though.

First of all sounds on analog synth were not made to imitate real horns,pianos,bells,strings,organs.

They were made to display their version of horns and strings ...

I don't find anything casio like on Lets Go Crazy.I love that "organ intro " on LGC ,it's pure analog heaven and much better than the real organ he used latter in career. and also those bells that play during the verses are great as well.

Prince synth sound started to suck post 1985

He ruined Dance Electric with that Roland db50 digital shitty effects

but nothing 1977-1984 is cheesy or thin synth wise.Everything was pure analog fatness and joy

thebanishedone said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Oh come on, didn't the synth stems make you laugh? The boogie woogie church organ sounds really do sound like someone testing a demo model of a cheaper synth. The Obberheim is my fav synth sound though.

First of all sounds on analog synth were not made to imitate real horns,pianos,bells,strings,organs.

They were made to display their version of horns and strings ...

I don't find anything casio like on Lets Go Crazy.I love that "organ intro " on LGC ,it's pure analog heaven and much better than the real organ he used latter in career. and also those bells that play during the verses are great as well.

Prince synth sound started to suck post 1985

He ruined Dance Electric with that Roland db50 digital shitty effects

but nothing 1977-1984 is cheesy or thin synth wise.Everything was pure analog fatness and joy

You're mistaken. Those sounds were incredibly trying to imitate real instruments at the time.

No, there's nothing audibly Casio like in the final song which is what's amazing about it. Have you not heard the stems? Not a lot of analog fatness heaven is revealed and the Casio'ness will surprise you. Oh, and the one track with anything you'd call fat analog sounds very borrowed from his earlier material too.

Go check it out if you can, so you can get what we're commenting on.

lavendardrummachine said:

thebanishedone said:

First of all sounds on analog synth were not made to imitate real horns,pianos,bells,strings,organs.

They were made to display their version of horns and strings ...

I don't find anything casio like on Lets Go Crazy.I love that "organ intro " on LGC ,it's pure analog heaven and much better than the real organ he used latter in career. and also those bells that play during the verses are great as well.

Prince synth sound started to suck post 1985

He ruined Dance Electric with that Roland db50 digital shitty effects

but nothing 1977-1984 is cheesy or thin synth wise.Everything was pure analog fatness and joy

analog synths were giving you their vision of instruments,not the imitation. Digital synths were imitating the sound of real instruments.Did you know that in the 60s you had Mellotron that had analog samples of real instruments? yes in the 60s you had first samplers in the sense of Mellotron

so if analog synths were trying to imitate real instruments dont u think they would have analog samples of the real instruments. Do you even know how analog synth is producing sound?If u did know than you would never said what you did. and regarding LGC check the sounds on the remaster.

Everything 1977-1984 is pure analog fatness in Prince music

thebanishedone said:

lavendardrummachine said:

analog synths were giving you their vision of instruments,not the imitation. Digital synths were imitating the sound of real instruments.Did you know that in the 60s you had Mellotron that had analog samples of real instruments? yes in the 60s you had first samplers in the sense of Mellotron

so if analog synths were trying to imitate real instruments dont u think they would have analog samples of the real instruments. Do you even know how analog synth is producing sound?If u did know than you would never said what you did. and regarding LGC check the sounds on the remaster.

Everything 1977-1984 is pure analog fatness in Prince music

You're mistaken, it was entirely the limitations of the technology not a vision of an instrument. They were legit trying to create realistic sounds, that was the best they could do. Yes, they really were thinking "our violin sound will replace strong players". You have people doing commercial work trying to make a synthesizer duplicate the pop of a soda bottle. Yes, the Mellotron existed, no sampling did not exist in these polysynths. He used a Fairlight for that. The Jupiter 4 had sampling, but he's using the prefab horns, he's not sampling a real horn section at that point.

Same with the drum machines. The Linn was trying to sound like a real kick drum, not a vision of a drum. The next one on the market, the Obberheim DMX, used real drum sounds. Prince stuck with the Linn. So yes there was a conscious choice to us these other sounds rather than get something authentic, but that's neither here nor there.

This entire tangent is trivial.

You can repeat the phrase "analog fatness" until your blue in the face, you are talking about the final product, and we're not. Stems are the term for invidual broken down tracks separated out.

Great assessment, I also loved Prince's 'weird' guitar playing, it is what made Prince Prince / an artist. Also loved EVH, RIP.

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Larry Williams on recording sax for The Glamorous Life

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically... It was just he and I in the room and that was unusual... He just liked the intimacy and having no distractions with anyone else around."

-Tudahl, Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions

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MoodyBlumes said:

Great assessment, I also loved Prince's 'weird' guitar playing, it is what made Prince Prince / an artist. Also loved EVH, RIP.

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Larry Williams on recording sax for The Glamorous Life

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically... It was just he and I in the room and that was unusual... He just liked the intimacy and having no distractions with anyone else around."

-Tudahl, Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions

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Larry Williams - | Larry Williams | Offici...music.com)

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Interesting quote. It is rare you hear from musicians who have been inside the recording studio and the creation process as directed by Prince. And I understand exactly what P was trying to get out of Williams.

geez people, all he said was that at the time doves came out he was into a different style, which was more precise. he does nothing but praise prince. weird for paul gilbert is good. how the hell do you people twist everything?

^^LOL!!^^....The "quote twisting" is not just here on the org...it's on other music sites I visit also.