...but let's say Prince did fall prey to a dehibilitating way of life. Can you describe how you would feel? Would you be able to support him through his illness? And if so, how? Remember, this is like losing a friend...



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As far as I know, he may already be there it's none of my business, I just hope he'll stay true to the music inside him & keep sharing it w/ us...

When u listen 2 a record like Lovesexy, it religious, but it's like:

IT's FUNKY
U KNOW IT
I KNOW IT
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT

That's what i loved about the whole religious slant, it was like "Take it and love it, otherwise, that's cool, but that's u're loss".

The whole JW thing seems forced and seems like something Prince only said yes to, to keep Larry happy.

I don't like all these consipiricy style theories (like Starous and Superstitions)and lyrics that pop up in the songs. It seems more Joyful and positive without these references

CalhounSq said:

He may already be where? And what's making you chuckle, Cal?!

dnaplaya said:

Lovesexy was a spiritual revolution.

The most joyful and positive expressions are about hope. Maybe Prince had lost hope and what he had been given was comforting to him. That's a bad situation made good. So what's the agenda and where's the conspiracy? Why is there a line being drawn?



(What gives you the impression that Prince is trying to keep Larry happy?)

Why would prince lose hope ? Maybe this is the 1 true faith and we have all lost hope ?

Anji said:

Good question...
It depends of course on why a person has been with him this far.
I have noticed people like CalhounSq, whom I admire.
She is obviously a loyal admirer of the man and his music.
People like her will not kick him to the curb.

Then there are some on the other end of the spectrum who are totally selfish.
Their attitude is:
"Give me exactly what I want when I want it or I will whine and complain to high heaven
but I will still play my old profanity filled sex music til I die.
However, I will not listen to the new trash"
Of course their comments would be filled with expletives.

Then there are those who have used Prince and his music especially for sexual stimulation.
These ones suffer the most; especially the guys and gals who have come to rely on him
in the secrecy of their own berooms (alone w/Prince)
I know a couple of these fans.

Then there are ones who have a more casual relationship with Prince.
He is part of their collection but not their whole collection. They will do fine.

Oh and what about me? The Rainbow Children will always be one of my favorite albums
no matter where Prince goes next. I am really liking the way he is now. I love the new Prince.

These are my reflections. Feel free to rip them apart.

i wonder if you would place me in the selfish, profanity-filled category, b/c i have absolutely no problems with swear words. and yes, still listen to "old, profanity-filled sex music," like the Come album, Exodus, the symbol album, etc. at the same time, i ADORE his new music. well, most of it anyway. i may not always agree with his philosphies, but when he delivers his "message" to us through the beauty of songs such as "avalanche" and "reflection" - well, i just can't resist

and yeah, i'm a bit prince-obsessed...but i'm also obsessed with music in general, and have MANY other artists i listen to - some may use swear words, some may not. i don't really see that as being such a big deal, really.

sensual, i like your posts...they're very well thought-out, and you don't "slam" people which happens a lot (and which i am also guilty of sometimes, unfortunately). i'm really curious, do you listen to (for example) Come? i guess i ask 'cuz i was just bumping it in my car, and it's CERTAINLY vulgar, and in my opinion anyway, certainly beautiful.

"Give me exactly what I want when I want it or I will whine and complain to high heaven
but I will still play my old profanity filled sex music til I die.
However, I will not listen to the new trash"

SensualMelody said:

Honest question, did you listen to Prince when his music was filled with profanity and sex? The way I look at it, it wasn't about the sex and profanity. It was about being free to be who you were and believe what you wanted. Above all, the music was funky. Take away all the lyrics, and the music was slammin'. And, before anyone tells me to mature or grow up, yeah, I already know.

JW's suck dick.

I don't think the fans that want to still be able to enter PP and have a celebration or a Friday nite party or listen to the old music are being selfish.

I think Prince being told all those lies about these things being wrong and believing that doctrine is a misfortune for him as well as the fans

But, I love him and respect him whatever he thinks is right for him to do. But if I ever found out the fans werenot allowed in PP because we arenot a JW, I would be a fan no longer.

stymie said:

co-sign²!!!

theblueangel said:

Blueangel, Come(not cum) can also be viewed as a spiritual cleansing of one's soul, not just a long drawn out sex-session and therefore you and Sensual Melody can enjoy the song depending on your perception. We tend to juxtapose the "old" Prince with the "new" Prince and there doesn't seem to be a happy medium for the fans because the spectrum is so extreme. Personally, I'll probably support almost anything, musically that is.

lastdecember7 said:

His child and both his parents passed away. It would be natural to be low at those times. Who greeted him with love and support during those times, and through what medium?

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SensualMelody said:

I don't buy into this notion of 'old' and 'new' but since you have used these terms, do you love the 'old' Prince?

Also, is it just about the music with you, or is there more at play with what you admire about the 'new' Prince?

2freaky4church1 said:

You have issues.

lovebird said:

Why are these things 'wrong'? I don't understand.

For what it's worth, I don't believe in the notion of 'right' and 'wrong' but I'm still interested in those that do think this way, and why.

Anji said:

MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT CONSIDERED AN ILLNESS? IT IS NOT THE 1ST TIME THAT HE HAS DROPPED SPIRIUAL OVERTONES IN HIS MUSIC SO AGAIN WHY IS IT AN ILLNESS? AS LONG AS PRINCE IS HAPPY AND IT IS AGREEING WITH HIS PERSONAL LIFE THEN WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF ANYONE ELSE'S? I HAVE SEEN TOO MANY NEGATIVE THREADS ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. IF YOU ARE NOT SAYING THAT THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE NOT AN ADDICTION OR A BAD PHASE THEN WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, WHY POST THIS TOPIC?

I don't see how making certain noises recognized by other humans as "swears" really matters when it cums 2 ur salvation! Sounds like holy rolling bullshit to me.

eldog98 said:

I wanted to explore a variety of topics on this thread, eventually leading to Prince's mortality, but I may save that for another thread because we appear to have found a topic of choice here.

Choosing JW's as that topic of discussion was not my choice. I included a reference to them because this is what many people see as an addiction or something that often coincides with a bad phase in one's life. A support system, if you like.

The topic I actually wanted to discuss was Prince falling prey to a dehibilitating way of life, an illness for example. How that would make us feel and if / how fans would intend to support him through those troubled times.

eldog98 said:

I think the word illness was being used as a "what if". I enjoy these topics even if I can't always give an educated answer they are more interesting than some of the wishy washy things posted on Prince. All things considered.

Anji said:

Anji, I admire your intelligence. You didn't even have to use the CAPS LOCK button you just answered gracefully. Peace to you homie.

Anji said:

Unfortunately, once you start to mention JWs you are then threading on very thin ice, my friend. Prejudice against this "sect" is very rife, and not just on the org.

Making an indirect reference to JWs will automatically divert from the message you may originally have intended for your post.

peace

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pejman said:

Cheers Pej, I try. Anyway, keep smilin' bro!

giotto said:

I know G but surely it's worth discussing if only to highlight the prejudice and ignorance within all of us. I'm being educated here too!

Anyway, I prefer to tackle these kinds of issues rather than shy away from them.

Anji said:

I don't know if I'm on the right track responding here but don't you think that THAT is what his other family members and close, personal friends are there for in his life(love and support), and not all us yahoo fans?
I mean, it's not the fans' place or business to be all up in his personal life offering substantial emotional support during his times of crisis.It seems to me that Prince is too intelligent to even tolerate or allow such a thing anyway. Loving and supporting him in his public performances as an entertainer is one thing, but personal, intimate/emotional love and support from fans seems rather presumptuous. I would view that as a delusion on the part of some obsessed fans.

mistermcgee said:

I completely agree, however, what happens when those closest to you have gone? What does one turn to?

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Anji said:

That's actually a very good question.

Having a family and close friends around doesn't necessarily mean they will be there for you in times of emotional crisis, nor will they be willing to offer love and support on tap in times of adversity. This is a common misconception.

More often than not,they will tend fold like a bad hand of poker.


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Anji said:

Everybody's different in their choices. Some turn to fast cars and women. Sex. Some turn to booze and drugs. Some drop out of public life and live as a recluse. Some to suicide. Some (re)turn to their work. Others turn to religion(s). Still others encounter and experience the grace of God, and go on to live an even fuller life-sometimes in the same profession or sometimes in a completely different field.

mistermcgee said:

Hey you're describing just what I tend to get up to on most weekends...

Should I start to consider that "a cry for help" or something?

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