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I heard the new Sign O The Times deluxe is sourced from a lossy master. Can anyone specify if this is true? | |
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A few of the vault tracks were seemingly sent to Bernie Grundman as lossy files, not lossless, then were mastered/remastered from those files. I've checked out 3 or 4 sources of the set, "Train", "Can I Play With U?", "Visions", "Colors", "A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal Version)" and "Strange Relationship (so-called Original Version...)" were lossy files with light mastering over the compressed area (about 16kHz and up)... Might be forgetting a track or 2. usually known as "Leaped7689" | |
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Thanks. Well that's unfortunate, Maybe it was the best files they have to offer for Bernie. | |
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Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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How does that happen? They come from tapes don't they? A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Maybe Michael Howe downloaded some mp3s | |
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https://prince.org/msg/7/464438?pg=2 #43@bluegangsta
[Edited 9/26/20 0:09am] | |
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My spectral familiarity ain't what it used to be, but it seems at other forums there's no concrete consensus on whether these are just cassettes or actually MP3s.., would that be the case?
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The sde was constructed from 128kbps rips obtained in the file sharing glory years of the early 00s | |
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I’ve just checked for myself and I think I’m about to have an aneurysm. | |
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i have it on good authority that michael howe typed in "youtube to mp3 converter" on google and that's where they sourced these tracks from | |
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thats prob more to do with the database being used than anything else. | |
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how do we know that its not a case of the original masters being in bad shape? or that they were taken from audio cassettes? am i really to trust random dudes on steve hoffmans message boards? | |
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gotta be honest, i have no clue how this would've happened in the first place. some of these tracks certainly are lossy, anyone could check it looking at the spectrals. it's my understanding that a degraded master wouldn't result in the whole thing lacking frequencies across the board. as far as i'm aware, this could only be the result of sourcing it from something that had some sort of compression applied or accidentally applying said compression somewhere along the production chain and not realizing it? honestly at a loss here. | |
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Weird. Not got my set yet but hope it's not obviously audible. | |
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Especially strange in the case of "Visions," since this track was officially released. It's not like it would have been hard for them to use a lossless source. This is something they could have easily corrected. "It Be's Like That Sometimes" appears to be lossy as well. | |
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Lossy source:
[Edited 9/26/20 14:07pm] | |
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Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
how do we know that its not a case of the original masters being in bad shape? or that they were taken from audio cassettes? am i really to trust random dudes on steve hoffmans message boards? Cassettes are not lossy. The only way to get lossy is digital compression, which is not something they could have gotten from the vault at least not with old tracks like this. This is why I'm puzzled. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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So would they have to have been mp3s pressed to disc? It's not possible bad cassettes led to those spectrals? | |
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I know that the original album is brackwalled and all that and that it has been a bug bear for years but I compared the remastered album with the original on the iTunes store and to be honest, I hear better results in the original despite it just being lower in volume - U Got The Look is the best example. That track is lower in volume than the others on the original album. There is a gloss added to the remaster overall that I'm not sure I like. Same with the Purple Rain remaster. Can't speak for the vault tracks since I only have bootlegs to compare them to. | |
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Milty2 said: I know that the original album is brackwalled and all that and that it has been a bug bear for years but I compared the remastered album with the original on the iTunes store and to be honest, I hear better results in the original despite it just being lower in volume - U Got The Look is the best example. That track is lower in volume than the others on the original album. There is a gloss added to the remaster overall that I'm not sure I like. Same with the Purple Rain remaster. Can't speak for the vault tracks since I only have bootlegs to compare them to. Factual information: if you compare the PR remaster to the SOTT remaster, you got peanut butter in your ears. | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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I didn't compare the PR remaster to the SOTT remaster. If you had correctly read what I said you will have seen that I said that there is a gloss to the PR remaster that I also don't like. Just becasue it's "louder" dosen't make it better. As for having peanut butter in my ears, you must too if you can't hear the difference but if you wish to just accept that the remaster is a better job, that's your thing. Maybe if you spent a little bit of time actually listening (doesn't seem like you care to), you might learn something instead of just lobbing insults. | |
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[Edited 9/27/20 8:32am] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Don't hate your neighbors. Hate the media that tells you to hate your neighbors. | |
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Don't hate your neighbors. Hate the media that tells you to hate your neighbors. | |
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Milty2 said:
I didn't compare the PR remaster to the SOTT remaster. If you had correctly read what I said you will have seen that I said that there is a gloss to the PR remaster that I also don't like. Just becasue it's "louder" dosen't make it better. As for having peanut butter in my ears, you must too if you can't hear the difference but if you wish to just accept that the remaster is a better job, that's your thing. Maybe if you spent a little bit of time actually listening (doesn't seem like you care to), you might learn something instead of just lobbing insults. Sister, no insults were lobbed your way. But I stand by the peanut butter statement. The PR remaster and the SOTT remaster are not the "same" in any way. | |
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Using iTunes (which is lossy!) to compare sound quality is not really representative of the actual sound quality. Just like the white winged dove... | |
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