RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

so, people that never spent time with a man, or as much as held a conversation with a man, can somehow diagnose this stranger from afar, as having a "mid-life crisis"? .... a supremely successful and accomplished man at that.. word?

Apparently Prince suffered from a midlife crisis for over 20 years!

purplethunder3121 said:

RJOrion said:

so, people that never spent time with a man, or as much as held a conversation with a man, can somehow diagnose this stranger from afar, as having a "mid-life crisis"? .... a supremely successful and accomplished man at that.. word?

Apparently Prince suffered from a midlife crisis for over 20 years!

Proud to say I've been even more prolific than Prince in churning out mid-life crisis years.

Can really only describe my own "mid-life crisis."

My family likes to point out extreme nostaligia for teenage years: I'm busy adoring an artist that burst onto the national scene when I became a teen.

They point out that I'm a classic case of woman in her 50's who starts doing that middle-life teen-nostalgia-obsession thing.

But they're confused. Can't re-start when it never stopped.

Prince music obsession's been going non-stop for 40 years.

Anyway, I say if a family talks about a mid-life crisis, that's a good sign. Probably just means a fine job's being done of embarrassing the teenagers.

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This assumes that P had a mid life crisis. Or that mid life crisis is even a thing. He defintely had some personal crises. But... I don't know. Weird to possibly inappropriate topic.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

JudasLChrist said:

This assumes that P had a mid life crisis. Or that mid life crisis is even a thing. He defintely had some personal crises. But... I don't know. Weird to possibly inappropriate topic.

For better or for worse, occasional mentions of mid-life crisis among my family and friends are pretty tongue in cheek.

Not to say there are no useful ideas in the IMO pretty amorphous concept, but if any of these individual ideas get talked about more seriously, we use different words.

RJOrion said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

laytonian said:

2011 was after his hip surgery; it sounds like that did him no good at all.

Correct. He needed a full replacement of both hips, not a repair. That's why Morris Day mentioned his own hip replacement to P when he performed at Paisley. P was in a world of pain outside of any other health issues he had which were never disclosed. One hip was much worse than the other and was basically bone-on-bone by the time he passed. [Edited 11/3/20 12:29pm]

Bone-on-bone.

Do you know if there was anything Prince could turn to (opiate pain relievers or otherwise) that could do anything to alleviate the pain when it had become that severe?

rednblue said:

funk, Didn't mean to imply any criticism of the term you chose for discussion. Discussions don't all have to revolve around super-precise professional terminology approved by committees and such.

In fact, my long post here more in the latter vein was probably over the top.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

rednblue said:

Mid life crisis is not a scientific term (obv) But everyone knows what the term means when it is used And for those of you wondering if it can last 15-16 years, it can, yes https://www.webmd.com/dep...pportunity

A midlife crisis might occur anywhere from about age 37 through the 50s, he says.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

rednblue said:

Mid life crisis is not a scientific term (obv) But everyone knows what the term means when it is used And for those of you wondering if it can last 15-16 years, it can, yes https://www.webmd.com/dep...pportunity

A midlife crisis might occur anywhere from about age 37 through the 50s, he says.

This simply states that it might occur between 37 and 50 something--not that it can last 15 to 17 years.

Prince was a celebrity and lived a life that was quite a bit different than most of ours.

His peers were other celebrities.

I think he obviously had some crises in his life but they were not likely mid-life crises in the way that

some of us would experience.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Derek880 said:

I don't think he had a "mid life" crisis. Like many of us, he changed and grew as he got older. The most notable part is that, in spite of what fans and critics wanted to force-feed people about his ethnicity, he was always a Black man, and you could see him surround himself with the musicians and influences from his youth. I personally loved the way he showed love to Black women during those years. People tend to internalize cultural values as they age. It was beautiful seeing him at shows with Shelby and Liv. I think he enjoyed being around people that truly got who he was at that point in his life.

do you mean he got rid of his internalised values as he got older?

surrounding yourself with ppl from your youth is good in one sense, for security, friendship, comfort, familiarity, etc, but not always best for creativity and progression.

i think he only really got people from his youth in the early to mid 90s anyway.

id like to hear from his collaborators in the later years.

theyve been pretty silent.

rhonda for example.

No. He never got rid of his views or values. But I think what many people miss as they follow his career is the moves that he made for the sake of "cross-over". No one will ever convince me that he saw the Revolution as the "best" musicians he ever played with. From a business standpoint, he knew exactly what he was doing in order to get media attention and to be played on white stations and MTV. Just like Sly Stone did. Once he no longer needed that, (even though he was genre-less), he disbanded them, evolved the NPG bands, went back to his funk and R&B roots and ended up with bands full of some extremely incredible musicians. That's when he finally let himself loosen up. A lot of the collaborators have things to say, but many of the media stories are so obsessed with the 80s that all we hear are Revolution voices. There was a podcast recently with Levi that was one of the best I've heard so far. It was incredible to hear new stories about a more laid-back Prince who was basically recording almost a song a day with the NPG.

rednblue said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

laytonian said: Correct. He needed a full replacement of both hips, not a repair. That's why Morris Day mentioned his own hip replacement to P when he performed at Paisley. P was in a world of pain outside of any other health issues he had which were never disclosed. One hip was much worse than the other and was basically bone-on-bone by the time he passed. [Edited 11/3/20 12:29pm]

Bone-on-bone.

Do you know if there was anything Prince could turn to (opiate pain relievers or otherwise) that could do anything to alleviate the pain when it had become that severe?

Not to veer off-topic too much, but the video of Prince with Dr. S on 4/20 shows no signs of limping or 'favoring' one side or the other. He was walking with brisk stride without cane/walker. Likely not bone-on- bone.

Most people take anti-inflammatory agents for hip pain, ie., Motrin, Advil, Naprosyn, Celebrex (precript).

On a related but different subject, I wouldn't be surprised if celebrity adds to, or puts a different spin on, some stuff that happens with aging.

Celebrity might add some challenges to getting to be "of a certain age,"...probably, at least in some fields, a bit more for women than for men.

Then there's the idea of celebrities who are young and "the hot new thing," (or pretty close to it : ) ), and the idea of the revered legacy artist. There's the sometimes awkward space in between these ideas.

Margot said:

rednblue said:

Bone-on-bone.

Do you know if there was anything Prince could turn to (opiate pain relievers or otherwise) that could do anything to alleviate the pain when it had become that severe?

Not to veer off-topic too much, but the video of Prince with Dr. S on 4/20 shows no signs of limping or 'favoring' one side or the other. He was walking with brisk stride without cane/walker. Likely not bone-on- bone.

Most people take anti-inflammatory agents for hip pain, ie., Motrin, Advil, Naprosyn, Celebrex (precript).

Thanks for this.

Just anecdotes, but both my parents both had hip surgery within the past few years, and happy to say that both did fine on the medications you listed for surgery recovery and any pain they experienced before they had surgery.

My mom has had a more difficult time with her feet. She has a good deal of arthritis and deformity. Some bone-on-bone. From what we can understand, she doesn't seem to have as many good options to deal with that situation. Maybe she'll opt for the foot surgery route one day. Anyway, I'll stop talking about this now, but do appreciate learning that most people get through hip pain with anti-inflammatories.

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• Most of us have no clue about the reality of his life.

• Can any of us relate to entertaining and controlling a crowd of 20.000+?
• Making and spending millions of dollars year after year?
• Having willing partners at any time?
• having a staff?
• Rubbing elbows with celebrities
• touring on private jets
• Living in lavish homes

I just don't think a middle-class, mid-life crisis referred to him.

He was not better nor worse, just lived in a different galaxy.

rednblue said:

udo said:

His midlife crisis was around when he died.

He chose not to take proper care of his body at a point where money would have been no issue.

This points to severe distraction from what really counts at that time.

First of all, not to say I feel you are being unduly harsh, but as I'm unsure of your point of view...

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What is harsh about concluding about confusion and not takeing proper care of his body as a result?

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Personal responsiblity is always a thing in life, but in the vast majority of cases, individuals suffering from severe health conditions are true victims. Same with their loved ones...family and friends up against very formidable conditions affecting a loved one.

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Does suffering from severe health conditions alter their ability to think?

And what `severe` condition did Prince have?

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Got a question about TIMING, as you characterize this problem with APPROPRIATE care being accessed as being a problem limited to the time around when Prince died. How does that fit with ealier indications?

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Well, that is easy.

At this time he died.

That means the consufion must have been at its height.

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Do you think any significant medical condition from which Prince may have suffered going back years was being treated appropriately in earlier years?

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I do not know what he really suffered from. Let alone what he may have suffereed from.

I do know about the death situation.

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A person could self-medicate with good overall result.

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Sure, but why ar these pain killers regulated?

Why did he try to evade that?

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I am NOT saying I have evidence that Prince had mood or immune disorder. I'm giving these conditions as an example of questions that may need to be asked/evaluated when looking to one of the criteria for substance use disorder (threshold level of net negative life effect).

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Thanks.

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Derek880 said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

The Artist himself gave the answer in Q magazine in september 1998: "I'm having a mid life crisis!" he crows. "I feel 16. I'm with my teenage idol."

thank you sir.

SexyMuthaF said:

Prince was never in a crisis, because as a JW age was irrelevant to him.

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I am rolling on the floor, laughing out loud !

That's it, I'm becoming a JHW.

Yeehaw !

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rednblue said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

do you mean he got rid of his internalised values as he got older?

surrounding yourself with ppl from your youth is good in one sense, for security, friendship, comfort, familiarity, etc, but not always best for creativity and progression.

i think he only really got people from his youth in the early to mid 90s anyway.

id like to hear from his collaborators in the later years.

theyve been pretty silent.

rhonda for example.

Have you heard/read these interviews with Rhonda Smith? I really enjoyed them. However, don't know if they have the focus you're looking for in interviews.

https://youtu.be/kOu8loKCODI


https://youtu.be/4ude0LRxGKQ


https://www.facebook.com/TRUTHINRHYTHM/posts/1076872146043459


http://www.apurpledayindecember.com/2019/01/get-yo-groove-on-interview-with-rhonda.html?fbclid=IwAR1vEyrB5if_O4RqB-jc3Qx9ZprrPGLr4B62az3fuaAN8N4r0dJmFwOnI_8.

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The first one is an interesting interview.

Halfway the interveiew she sayd that when she started out with Prince, Paisley Park was full of people. There were people busy everywhere in the building and the offices were filled with workers.

By the time she left, and that's 2009, Paisley park was just empty !

And by that she said it was either Prince and his cook, or just one employee coming in to work on some stuff for a day or two and then it was empty again.

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I did not know that, and find that intriguing ;

either he wasn't able to pay so much people anymore,

or, he did not want too many people around him cause he started to live there ?

Can anyone confirm that?

When did Prince start to live in Paisley Park ?

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Thank you for your response! Your original comment is no longer visible. Here is what you noted:

"His midlife crisis was around when he died.

He chose not to take proper care of his body at a point where money would have been no issue.

This points to severe distraction from what really counts at that time."

In your response you asked, "What is harsh about concluding about confusion and not takeing proper care of his body as a result?"

Only have a little time now, but as a partial response, I wasn't sure if you thought some person(s) was entirely to blame for "distraction/confusion" With taking care, medical stuff, etc., sometimes it's not that everything (or most things) are some person(s) fault. I appreciate your "distraction/confusion" description, and meant it when I said you might not be coming at the situation solely (or even at all) from a condemnation angle. I'm sorry if what I said implied otherwise. Should have made it clearer that I didn't know where you were coming from.

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Additionally, to state the obvious and depending on the condition and particulars, medicine has limits of knowledge and ability to help. In this case, medicine may well have had something useful to offer above and beyond what was accessed.

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You also asked:

"Does suffering from severe health conditions alter their ability to think?

And what `severe` condition did Prince have?"

To the first question, some conditions can affect thinking.

For anyone who thinks multiple accounts of people who knew Prince are worth anything, there are reports of significant pain present at various times. Many people who mention this describe that they find a probable relationship between spectacular punishing stage performance and pain. Dr. S said that Prince asked him about numbness in hands and other areas.

Some who knew Prince believe there is evidence to suggest a significant substance use condition.

Some think there was evidence for other conditions.
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In response to this,

Got a question about TIMING, as you characterize this problem with APPROPRIATE care being accessed as being a problem limited to the time around when Prince died. How does that fit with ealier indications?

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you noted:

"Well, that is easy.

At this time he died.

That means the consufion must have been at its height."

Another question with your response:

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Do you think any significant medical condition from which Prince may have suffered going back years was being treated appropriately in earlier years?

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"I do not know what he really suffered from. Let alone what he may have suffereed from.

I do know about the death situation."

An anecdote of one person seeing the height of "distraction/confusion" not being near time of death. That is, if I'm understanding part of your meaning with "distraction/confusion"...

There was a radio DJ/show-host in our town who shared that he had lung cancer thought to be terminal. He shared (as he had in the past) that he had quit smoking over a decade before, but he believed that many years of past smoking contributed to his vulnerability to the cancer. He played some great music, and hosted some great community town-hall style discussions. He is missed.

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Have to go now...sorry for partial response at this point. Thanks again for your response. : )

udo said:

rednblue said:

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Sure, but why ar these pain killers regulated?

Why did he try to evade that?

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I am NOT saying I have evidence that Prince had mood or immune disorder. I'm giving these conditions as an example of questions that may need to be asked/evaluated when looking to one of the criteria for substance use disorder (threshold level of net negative life effect).

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Thanks.

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Vannormal said:

Prince had his home in Chanhassen razed in 2005. He then moved temporarily to LA in 2006.

Not certain when that ended but it would seem that Paisley became his permanent abode after

2007? Some say he had another home in Chanhassen somewhere??

I wish he had had better staff infrastructure in place., ie., long-term, trustworthy manager, lawyer,

assistants. It seemed to be a revolving door.

rednblue said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

laytonian said: Correct. He needed a full replacement of both hips, not a repair. That's why Morris Day mentioned his own hip replacement to P when he performed at Paisley. P was in a world of pain outside of any other health issues he had which were never disclosed. One hip was much worse than the other and was basically bone-on-bone by the time he passed. [Edited 11/3/20 12:29pm]

Bone-on-bone.

Do you know if there was anything Prince could turn to (opiate pain relievers or otherwise) that could do anything to alleviate the pain when it had become that severe?

I told people after his passing that he had problems beyond what was known.