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Thread started 11/02/20 10:07am

funkbabyandthe
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what were prince's mid life crisis years?

i have it down as approx 1997/98 to 2014/15 or thereabouts.

during this period, prince became very nostalgic, reached out to all his boyhood heroes, started playing a lot of music that sounded like the stuff he loved as a teenager, started delivering a lot of dad jokes on stage and increasingly sounded like someone's funky uncle when he was talking in between songs on tour, seemed to be bored with a lot of what he was doing (except on stage revisiting his and other artists' glorious pasts - the 2004 tour does this quite excellently). he also went back and got the same haircut he had in his late teens/early 20s (think the 'for you' era).

from the sounds of it, on the last tour, he seemed to be getting over it, and coming to terms with his life, what his career meant, and thinking of ways to move ahead, though as its prince, who really knows.

[Edited 11/2/20 12:52pm]

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Reply #1 posted 11/02/20 11:41am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

i have it down as approx 1997/98 to 2014/15 or thereabouts.

during this period, prince became very nostalgic, reached out to all his boyhood heroes, started playing a lot of music that sounded like the stuff he loved as a teenager, started delivering a lot of dad jokes on stage and increasingly sounded like someone's funky uncle when he was talking in between songs on tour, seemed to be bored with a lot of what he was doing (except maybe on stage revisiting his and other artists' glorious pasts). he also went back and got the same haircut he had in his late teens/early 20s (think the 'for you' era).

from the sounds of it, on the last tour, he seemed to be getting over it, and coming to terms with his life, what his career meant, and thinking of ways to move ahead, though as its prince, who really knows.



That would be a very long midlife crises.

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Reply #2 posted 11/02/20 11:51am

emesem

I'd say 1998 (started around NPS) through 2009. I think by 20Ten he was more at easy with his "old man at the club" status.

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Reply #3 posted 11/02/20 11:53am

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lol He wasn't old enough for a midlife crisis in the 90s...

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #4 posted 11/02/20 12:16pm

RJOrion

WTF?
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Reply #5 posted 11/02/20 12:24pm

Phase3

Wasnt he hospitalized or something happened in 2010?
In 1996 or 1997 he was hospitalized because he overdosed on wine and aspirin
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Reply #6 posted 11/02/20 3:11pm

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Phase3 said:

Wasnt he hospitalized or something happened in 2010?
In 1996 or 1997 he was hospitalized because he overdosed on wine and aspirin
[Edited 11/2/20 12:25pm]


I think the last few years may have cast some doubt on the specifics in that story.

It’s like that time Nicole Brown Simpson accidentally fell down the stairs in the mid 1980’s. Probably not entirely true.
[Edited 11/2/20 15:12pm]
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Reply #7 posted 11/02/20 4:44pm

rednblue

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lol He wasn't old enough for a midlife crisis in the 90s...

lol

Good point. But he's always been ahead of his time, right?


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Reply #8 posted 11/02/20 4:45pm

rednblue

Mintchip said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

i have it down as approx 1997/98 to 2014/15 or thereabouts.

during this period, prince became very nostalgic, reached out to all his boyhood heroes, started playing a lot of music that sounded like the stuff he loved as a teenager, started delivering a lot of dad jokes on stage and increasingly sounded like someone's funky uncle when he was talking in between songs on tour, seemed to be bored with a lot of what he was doing (except maybe on stage revisiting his and other artists' glorious pasts). he also went back and got the same haircut he had in his late teens/early 20s (think the 'for you' era).

from the sounds of it, on the last tour, he seemed to be getting over it, and coming to terms with his life, what his career meant, and thinking of ways to move ahead, though as its prince, who really knows.



That would be a very long midlife crises.


AND PROLIFIC

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Reply #9 posted 11/02/20 8:00pm

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The Rainbow Children was the beginning of his mid-life crisis.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #10 posted 11/02/20 9:49pm

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Phase3 said:

Wasnt he hospitalized or something happened in 2010? In 1996 or 1997 he was hospitalized because he overdosed on wine and aspirin [Edited 11/2/20 12:25pm]

2010.

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Reply #11 posted 11/02/20 9:59pm

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Prince was never in a crisis, because as a JW age was irrelevant to him.
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Reply #12 posted 11/03/20 12:02am

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Margot said:



Phase3 said:


Wasnt he hospitalized or something happened in 2010? In 1996 or 1997 he was hospitalized because he overdosed on wine and aspirin [Edited 11/2/20 12:25pm]


2010.


From what I was told, it was 2011 in LA.
Had his stomach pumped at Cedars-Sinai and almost died then.
One of the reasons of his eventual falling out with Sheila.
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Reply #13 posted 11/03/20 5:48am

Margot

TrcikyChristopher said:

Margot said:

2010.

From what I was told, it was 2011 in LA. Had his stomach pumped at Cedars-Sinai and almost died then. One of the reasons of his eventual falling out with Sheila.

Sorry, yes, 2011.

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Reply #14 posted 11/03/20 6:03am

funkbabyandthe
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q. why would that cause a fall out with sheila? because she wanted him to get help?

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Reply #15 posted 11/03/20 7:17am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

q. why would that cause a fall out with sheila? because she wanted him to get help?


Yes.
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Reply #16 posted 11/03/20 7:53am

laytonian

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lol He wasn't old enough for a midlife crisis in the 90s...


He was 40 in 1998. That's midlife, folks.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #17 posted 11/03/20 7:54am

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Margot said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Margot said: From what I was told, it was 2011 in LA. Had his stomach pumped at Cedars-Sinai and almost died then. One of the reasons of his eventual falling out with Sheila.

Sorry, yes, 2011.


2011 was after his hip surgery; it sounds like that did him no good at all.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #18 posted 11/03/20 8:25am

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His midlife crisis was around when he died.

He chose not to take proper care of his body at a point where money would have been no issue.

This points to severe distraction from what really counts at that time.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #19 posted 11/03/20 9:01am

Derek880

I don't think he had a "mid life" crisis. Like many of us, he changed and grew as he got older. The most notable part is that, in spite of what fans and critics wanted to force-feed people about his ethnicity, he was always a Black man, and you could see him surround himself with the musicians and influences from his youth. I personally loved the way he showed love to Black women during those years. People tend to internalize cultural values as they age. It was beautiful seeing him at shows with Shelby and Liv. I think he enjoyed being around people that truly got who he was at that point in his life.

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Reply #20 posted 11/03/20 9:19am

rednblue

udo said:

His midlife crisis was around when he died.

He chose not to take proper care of his body at a point where money would have been no issue.

This points to severe distraction from what really counts at that time.

First of all, not to say I feel you are being unduly harsh, but as I'm unsure of your point of view...

Personal responsiblity is always a thing in life, but in the vast majority of cases, individuals suffering from severe health conditions are true victims. Same with their loved ones...family and friends up against very formidable conditions affecting a loved one.

Got a question about TIMING, as you characterize this problem with APPROPRIATE care being accessed as being a problem limited to the time around when Prince died. How does that fit with ealier indications? Do you think any significant medical condition from which Prince may have suffered going back years was being treated appropriately in earlier years?

There is some evidence that Prince suffered from a formidable substance use condition going back many years. It's possible he suffered from other conditions as well, related or unrelated to the substance use condition. Many, but not all, with substance use conditions are attempting to self-medicate other medical conditions.

A person could self-medicate with good overall result.

This is why criteria that define substance use disorder are important. The effects of the substance use must be a NET NEGATIVE for the person's life in order for substance use disorder to be diagnosed.

So will use the idea of self-medication as just one example of evaluating net negative vs. net positive. Opiates can obviously be a very positive part of treatment of formidable medical conditions.

They can also make treatment of formidable medical conditions more difficult. One (hopefully obvious) example would be to attempt to treat significant chronic mood conditions through chronic use of opiates.

Another example would be the interaction of opiates with immune conditions. For example, opiates affect the immune system, and they can counteract treatments given for immune conditions.

In some cases of opiate use, the opiates can significantly decrease effectiveness of treatments for various medical conditions.

I am NOT saying I have evidence that Prince had mood or immune disorder. I'm giving these conditions as an example of questions that may need to be asked/evaluated when looking to one of the criteria for substance use disorder (threshold level of net negative life effect).

If useful, I can provide references for any of my statements about medical care.

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Reply #21 posted 11/03/20 9:28am

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Derek880 said:

I don't think he had a "mid life" crisis. Like many of us, he changed and grew as he got older. The most notable part is that, in spite of what fans and critics wanted to force-feed people about his ethnicity, he was always a Black man, and you could see him surround himself with the musicians and influences from his youth. I personally loved the way he showed love to Black women during those years. People tend to internalize cultural values as they age. It was beautiful seeing him at shows with Shelby and Liv. I think he enjoyed being around people that truly got who he was at that point in his life.


Bit of a tangent, but yesterday, my song shuffle brought up Shelby singing Brown Skin. Love it!

music heart


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Reply #22 posted 11/03/20 9:46am

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SexyMuthaF said:

Prince was never in a crisis, because as a JW age was irrelevant to him.

So, basically his whole JW period?

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Reply #23 posted 11/03/20 10:02am

funkbabyandthe
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Derek880 said:

I don't think he had a "mid life" crisis. Like many of us, he changed and grew as he got older. The most notable part is that, in spite of what fans and critics wanted to force-feed people about his ethnicity, he was always a Black man, and you could see him surround himself with the musicians and influences from his youth. I personally loved the way he showed love to Black women during those years. People tend to internalize cultural values as they age. It was beautiful seeing him at shows with Shelby and Liv. I think he enjoyed being around people that truly got who he was at that point in his life.

do you mean he got rid of his internalised values as he got older?

surrounding yourself with ppl from your youth is good in one sense, for security, friendship, comfort, familiarity, etc, but not always best for creativity and progression.

i think he only really got people from his youth in the early to mid 90s anyway.

id like to hear from his collaborators in the later years.

theyve been pretty silent.

rhonda for example.

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Reply #24 posted 11/03/20 11:32am

rednblue

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Derek880 said:

I don't think he had a "mid life" crisis. Like many of us, he changed and grew as he got older. The most notable part is that, in spite of what fans and critics wanted to force-feed people about his ethnicity, he was always a Black man, and you could see him surround himself with the musicians and influences from his youth. I personally loved the way he showed love to Black women during those years. People tend to internalize cultural values as they age. It was beautiful seeing him at shows with Shelby and Liv. I think he enjoyed being around people that truly got who he was at that point in his life.

do you mean he got rid of his internalised values as he got older?

surrounding yourself with ppl from your youth is good in one sense, for security, friendship, comfort, familiarity, etc, but not always best for creativity and progression.

i think he only really got people from his youth in the early to mid 90s anyway.

id like to hear from his collaborators in the later years.

theyve been pretty silent.

rhonda for example.


Have you heard/read these interviews with Rhonda Smith? I really enjoyed them. However, don't know if they have the focus you're looking for in interviews.

https://youtu.be/kOu8loKCODI


https://youtu.be/4ude0LRxGKQ


https://www.facebook.com/TRUTHINRHYTHM/posts/1076872146043459


http://www.apurpledayindecember.com/2019/01/get-yo-groove-on-interview-with-rhonda.html?fbclid=IwAR1vEyrB5if_O4RqB-jc3Qx9ZprrPGLr4B62az3fuaAN8N4r0dJmFwOnI_8.

[Edited 11/3/20 11:36am]

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Reply #25 posted 11/03/20 11:35am

funkbabyandthe
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Cool I'll check them out

I love her fretless bass playing
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Reply #26 posted 11/03/20 12:01pm

rednblue

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Cool I'll check them out I love her fretless bass playing

thumbs up!

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Reply #27 posted 11/03/20 12:28pm

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laytonian said:



Margot said:




TrcikyChristopher said:


Margot said: From what I was told, it was 2011 in LA. Had his stomach pumped at Cedars-Sinai and almost died then. One of the reasons of his eventual falling out with Sheila.


Sorry, yes, 2011.




2011 was after his hip surgery; it sounds like that did him no good at all.


Correct. He needed a full replacement of both hips, not a repair. That's why Morris Day mentioned his own hip replacement to P when he performed at Paisley. P was in a world of pain outside of any other health issues he had which were never disclosed. One hip was much worse than the other and was basically bone-on-bone by the time he passed.
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Reply #28 posted 11/03/20 12:33pm

RJOrion

so, people that never spent time with a man, or as much as held a conversation with a man, can somehow diagnose this stranger from afar, as having a "mid-life crisis"? .... a supremely successful and accomplished man at that.. word?

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Reply #29 posted 11/03/20 1:50pm

TheTruth123

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

i have it down as approx 1997/98 to 2014/15 or thereabouts.

during this period, prince became very nostalgic, reached out to all his boyhood heroes, started playing a lot of music that sounded like the stuff he loved as a teenager, started delivering a lot of dad jokes on stage and increasingly sounded like someone's funky uncle when he was talking in between songs on tour, seemed to be bored with a lot of what he was doing (except on stage revisiting his and other artists' glorious pasts - the 2004 tour does this quite excellently). he also went back and got the same haircut he had in his late teens/early 20s (think the 'for you' era).

from the sounds of it, on the last tour, he seemed to be getting over it, and coming to terms with his life, what his career meant, and thinking of ways to move ahead, though as its prince, who really knows.

[Edited 11/2/20 12:52pm]

I don't see Prince as having a particular "mid-life" crisis, but around the dates you quoted (not in bertween) - 1998-2000 and then 2014-2016 he was ending serious relationships, and quite nostalgic. Ending the thing with Mani, he was just angry.

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