https://codarecords.co.uk...8_VWTXXS7o

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This is really annoying

Was there a change in the laws?

They're paying for advertising as well. I had an ad for this pop up a couple days ago on Instagram

They're not legal and they've been on (cheap) vinyl for ages.

Lots of dodgy CD releases as well. The key word is "broadcast" and apparently they can get away with it. A quick search on Amazon show even audience recordings passed as broadcast recordings

They do also appear in major high street stores, at least in the UK. HMV has a bunch of these releases on CD.

embmmusic said:

BartVanHemelen said:

They're not legal and they've been on (cheap) vinyl for ages.

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Exactly.

I bought one some time ago. Quality is very poor, as is often with the artwork.

Bootleggers gone to vinyl. It's a s simple as that.

By the way, ''Trojan Horse'' (the 1988 Paard Van Troje recording) is everywhere to be found on double vinyls in white, clear and other colours, different packages, different bootleggers.

Quality mostly is just a cheap (older) CD rip, with often a lot of hiss, or too loud.

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embmmusic said:

They do also appear in major high street stores, at least in the UK. HMV has a bunch of these releases on CD.

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In Europe you can easily find them in Fnac, or Mediamarkt for quite som time now.

My guess is, less control, and it's all about the money of course.

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We once had a long thread about it and some of us had done some extensive research: it finally appeared that these releases are legal but only in the EU and only if they're sourced from a radio or TV broadcast that happened during a certain era in the EU, or possibly even in UK, I don't remember the details but IIRC it was originally a UK law that somehow transfered to the whole EU, and I'm not even sure if and how Brexit impacts this).

It was rather complicated and I remember not fully understanding this bloody loophole, but it appears to exist. Maybe someone can find this thread?

databank said:

We once had a long thread about it and some of us had done some extensive research: it finally appeared that these releases are legal but only in the EU and only if they're sourced from a radio or TV broadcast that happened during a certain era in the EU, or possibly even in UK, I don't remember the details but IIRC it was originally a UK law that somehow transfered to the whole EU, and I'm not even sure if and how Brexit impacts this).

It was rather complicated and I remember not fully understanding this bloody loophole, but it appears to exist. Maybe someone can find this thread?

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The UK is still in the EU.

Nothing changed yet.

Thank you for the info though. Wasn't axware of that.

And even if Brexit occurs, it'll take a long time before everything is properly settled.

Maybe those (bootleg) companies try to release as much as possible while it's still possible ?!

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databank said:

We once had a long thread about it and some of us had done some extensive research: it finally appeared that these releases are legal but only in the EU and only if they're sourced from a radio or TV broadcast that happened during a certain era in the EU, or possibly even in UK, I don't remember the details but IIRC it was originally a UK law that somehow transfered to the whole EU, and I'm not even sure if and how Brexit impacts this).

It was rather complicated and I remember not fully understanding this bloody loophole, but it appears to exist. Maybe someone can find this thread?

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It is not legal. There were loopholes early on in for instance Germany (having to do with live recordings) and Italy (bootlegs were OK as long as the bootleggers set money aside to pay the artists if they ever demanded the money they were entitled to) but those were plugged pretty fast.

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However, what may have happened is that nowadays the rights organisations are too busy going after widespread Internet infringement and ignore physical media becaus eit is too small a market. Back in the 1990s however there was the phenomenon of illegal hits compilations that was severely impacting the profits of the music industry and that caused a lot of activity, e.g. raids on shops etc.

databank said:

Such releases were rare in his lifetime. I guess his reputation as an artist who harrassed fans and bootleggers made them fearful.

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Dude, Prince was widely bootlegged. FYI At the height of bootlegging you could find pressed bootlegged CDs of even fairly minor bands. If you looked at the advertisements of shops at the back of Q Magazine, RS, etc. you could find endless lists of shady releases.

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There has always been tons of this.

BartVanHemelen said:

I can walk into any HMV [pre-lockdown of course!] & buy bootleg P vinyls!

Picked up one of the releases of the Syracuse show on CD. It sounds really good and it was available at a decent price. Unless the estate decides to release this show officially, I'll stick with my "grey area" version.

Vannormal said:

databank said:

We once had a long thread about it and some of us had done some extensive research: it finally appeared that these releases are legal but only in the EU and only if they're sourced from a radio or TV broadcast that happened during a certain era in the EU, or possibly even in UK, I don't remember the details but IIRC it was originally a UK law that somehow transfered to the whole EU, and I'm not even sure if and how Brexit impacts this).

It was rather complicated and I remember not fully understanding this bloody loophole, but it appears to exist. Maybe someone can find this thread?

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The UK is still in the EU.

Nothing changed yet.

Thank you for the info though. Wasn't axware of that.

And even if Brexit occurs, it'll take a long time before everything is properly settled.

Maybe those (bootleg) companies try to release as much as possible while it's still possible ?!

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The UK left the EU in last January.

Here in Germany you can even find a "broadcast" live album on Tidal - the Musicology show with further tracks added.

Released by the well-known "Sutra" label

I'm currently listening to my Small Club vinyl (2020 Parachute Records) bought through Amazon. I'll be honest. Through my Rega 3 and valve preamp, it sounds incredible. The estate really should have been quicker off the mark with this one.

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BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

We once had a long thread about it and some of us had done some extensive research: it finally appeared that these releases are legal but only in the EU and only if they're sourced from a radio or TV broadcast that happened during a certain era in the EU, or possibly even in UK, I don't remember the details but IIRC it was originally a UK law that somehow transfered to the whole EU, and I'm not even sure if and how Brexit impacts this).

It was rather complicated and I remember not fully understanding this bloody loophole, but it appears to exist. Maybe someone can find this thread?

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It is not legal. There were loopholes early on in for instance Germany (having to do with live recordings) and Italy (bootlegs were OK as long as the bootleggers set money aside to pay the artists if they ever demanded the money they were entitled to) but those were plugged pretty fast.

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However, what may have happened is that nowadays the rights organisations are too busy going after widespread Internet infringement and ignore physical media becaus eit is too small a market. Back in the 1990s however there was the phenomenon of illegal hits compilations that was severely impacting the profits of the music industry and that caused a lot of activity, e.g. raids on shops etc.

I can't imagine I dreamt this thread where we investigated the broadcasts loophole and found the legal texts that made it possible. Or dude, then I'm crazier than I thought. I wish I could find this thread.