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Thread started 11/03/20 2:58am

RODSERLING

Who really owns the Black Album?

The greatest mistery of all.
WB?
Sony?
Nobody?
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Reply #1 posted 11/03/20 3:05am

SexyMuthaF

Jamie Starr.
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Reply #2 posted 11/03/20 6:48am

RODSERLING

Oh, shit...
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Reply #3 posted 11/03/20 7:45am

RJOrion

I do

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Reply #4 posted 11/03/20 7:55am

billymeade

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It's on Tidal, isn't it?

The question has probably been answered here; Maybe there's language in the contract during the initial limited run that stated it can't be anywhere else once its out of print. Not sure how Tidal is an exception (if it's even still there).

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Reply #5 posted 11/03/20 7:56am

cooldayla

Le Grind is a funk workout. Love that track!

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Reply #6 posted 11/03/20 8:06am

databank

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RODSERLING said:

The greatest mistery of all. WB? Sony? Nobody?

Not so much of a mystery, really.

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First, WB and Sony do not "own" the masters to any Prince recordings (save a few side projects in the case of WB). I'm sure you know this, but I find the use of the verb "owning" misleading for all those who do not, and I'd rather we stop using it on the board.

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Both labels have exclusive distribution licences.

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Therefore, the Estate owns TBA alongide the rest of the masters.

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It does not appear to be part of the list of releases under licence to Sony that was given in the press release, either since 2017 or from next year onwards (not all titles were given for the albums moving to Sony next year, but it says 12 non-soundtrack albums and names 9 (Prince, Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Around The World In A Day, Sign 'O' The Times, Lovesexy, Diamonds and Pearls and O+(> ), leaving us to assume the last 3 are For You, Come and The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale.

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If it's under licence to WB at the moment, this should end next December alongside the rest of the non-OST's.

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My best guess is that the deal made with Prince in 1994 was for a one time only release, after which WB lost the right to rerelease it without Prince's (or the Estate's) consent. The masters must have gone back to Prince in 2014 if not earlier. Whether WB lost the exclusive right to distribute it before 2014 (as with TGE or C&D) or they'll lose them next year is unknown (the indicia on the Tidal page featuring it could have told us that at the time, but it's gone now).

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Bottom line: it's up to the Estate to licence it to Sony (or anyone else they want) starting next year if they so wish. We can only hope they won't decide to sit on it for "moral" reasons (respecting Prince's wishes, he thought the album was wrong, bla bla bla...).

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Reply #7 posted 11/03/20 8:10am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

God.
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Reply #8 posted 11/03/20 8:23am

udo

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I do have a few copies here.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #9 posted 11/03/20 10:03am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

maybe prince signed a deal with tidal as he loved jay-z so much.

jay-z was obv not a big bad businessman like the suits at warners (unless you ask damon dash, beanie sigel, etc)

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Reply #10 posted 11/03/20 11:49am

Strive

It's actually a mystery.

Nobody knows what the terms of the 1994 contract was and The Black Album wasn't included in the Sony deal, which implies that WB - not the Estate - currently holds the rights to it.
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Reply #11 posted 11/03/20 1:13pm

RODSERLING

WB was about to release it on vinyl in 2016, then it was pushed back then cancelled ( as Lovesexy and so forth).
So someone there at WB sincerely thought they had the rights to re release it.
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Maybe because the art cover is copyrighted?
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Reply #12 posted 11/03/20 1:57pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

No one owns it
Cos it doesnt exist
It only came into being from negative energies in the cosmos that entered princes body without his knowing and left in the form of this album
Ergo it never existed and princes role in it was not of his own volition

That's why he wanted it destroyed
Because it had nothing to do with him
It was the devil that interfere with princes mind
Also same devil that made him record head
And then sexy mf in 92
Prince was not able to shake it until 2001
The reason it kept coming back is that the devil paid Warner bros to allow it to roam at paisley park
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