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Astasheiks

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Can you Guess what Prince told Morris Hayes was his Favorite Gift/Talent?

If have not seen the Interview can you guess which Gift/Talent Prince was most proud of?

Being that Morris Hayes ranks at the Top or the Very Top of Musician that played the longest with Prince.

1. Singing

2. Playing Guitar

3. Playing Piano

4. Playing Keyboards

5. Playing Bass

6. Playing Drums

7. Writing Lyrics

8. Dancing

9. Playing other instruments

10. Recording

11. Harmonies

12. His Fashion

13. Ladies Man

14. His Energy

15. His Emotion on Stage/ Performing

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Reply #1 posted 10/13/20 11:21am

RJOrion

his jump shot

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Reply #2 posted 10/13/20 12:00pm

rednblue

RJOrion said:

his jump shot


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Reply #3 posted 10/13/20 12:05pm

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Astasheiks said:

If have not seen the Interview can you guess which Gift/Talent Prince was most proud of?

Being that Morris Hayes ranks at the Top or the Very Top of Musician that played the longest with Prince.

1. Singing

2. Playing Guitar

3. Playing Piano

4. Playing Keyboards

5. Playing Bass

6. Playing Drums

7. Writing Lyrics

8. Dancing

9. Playing other instruments

10. Recording

11. Harmonies

12. His Fashion

13. Ladies Man

14. His Energy

15. His Emotion on Stage/ Performing

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Would love to know! If I had to pick an absolute personal favorite, I'd go with your #1, but REALLY want to hear what PRINCE was most proud of.

Astasheiks, what would you have guessed? I o realize you probably heard the answer before considering the question. smile

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Reply #4 posted 10/13/20 12:07pm

RJOrion

my favorites are his singing, his lyrics and his guitar playing...equally

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Reply #5 posted 10/13/20 12:26pm

rednblue

RJOrion said:

his jump shot


and his speed and ball handling biggrin

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Reply #6 posted 10/13/20 12:31pm

rednblue

RJOrion said:

m favorites are his singing, his lyrics and his guitar playing...equally

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Love Prince's way with words!

Are you surprised at all that Prince didn't use his genius with words more in taking on the rise of hip hop? As one example, is it surprising he didn't write and speak more of his own raps? Or maybe he did and I'm clueless.

Do realize that there's a lot more to hip hop than what asked about.

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Probably something to do with "God"

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Reply #8 posted 10/13/20 12:50pm

RJOrion

rednblue said:

RJOrion said:

m favorites are his singing, his lyrics and his guitar playing...equally

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Love Prince's way with words!

Are you surprised at all that Prince didn't use his genius with words more in taking on the rise of hip hop? As one example, is it surprising he didn't write and speak more of his own raps? Or maybe he did and I'm clueless.

Do realize that there's a lot more to hip hop than what asked about.

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being a great lyricist doesnt always equate to being a good rapper/MC...he never mastered the art of "flow" as a rapper...his flow was always dated and/or forced and monotone, and his delivery never conveyed the true essence of hiphop... its ironic that he seemed to finally catch the wave as an older man in 2014, on "U Know"....he KILLT that shit...flow was current and unforced... joints like "Silicon", "My Medallion" and Y Should Eye do That When Eye Can Do This?" are solid attempts but sound like they were released 10-15 years too late...main problem was Prince was about 10 years too old to really relate to hiphop, especially since there was no real hiphop scene in the twin cities until recently...being born in 1958 and growing up in Minneapolis were the main obstacles to P's rapping skills on the mic...but if he had grown up in New York or Philly maybe ten years later, he would have been a masterful MC with his innate rhythm and lyrical wordsmithery

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Reply #9 posted 10/13/20 12:51pm

rednblue

herb4 said:

Probably something to do with "God"


Thanks for that one! Gonna put my bets there!

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Reply #10 posted 10/13/20 12:58pm

rednblue

RJOrion said:

rednblue said:


Love Prince's way with words!

Are you surprised at all that Prince didn't use his genius with words more in taking on the rise of hip hop? As one example, is it surprising he didn't write and speak more of his own raps? Or maybe he did and I'm clueless.

Do realize that there's a lot more to hip hop than what asked about.

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being a great lyricist doesnt always equate to being a good rapper/MC...he never mastered the art of "flow" as a rapper...his flow was always dated and/or forced and monotone, and heis delivery never conveyed the true essence of hiphop... its ironic that he seemed to finally catch the wave as an older man in 2014, on "U Know"....he KILLT that shit...flow was current and unforced... joints like "Silicon", "My Medallion" and Y Should Eye do That When Eye Can Do This?" are solid attempts but sound like they were released 10-15 years too late...main problem was Prince was about 10 years too old to really relate to hiphop, especially since there was no real hiphop scene in the twin cities until recently...being born in 1958 and growing up in Minneapolis were the main obstacles to P's rapping skills on the mic...but if he had grown up in New York or Philly maybe ten years later, he would have been a masterful MC with his innate rhythm and lyrical wordsmithery


Much appreciation! Really, really illuminating for me. What you explain is fascinating, and you open so many doors to go read more! Gonna go do it. Can hear "U Know" in my head now. Going to put it on for real. FLOW! Thanks so much again!

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Reply #11 posted 10/13/20 1:09pm

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Without "reading/listening to" the rest, it hast to be performing.

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we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #12 posted 10/13/20 1:53pm

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It’s his lyrics. I think Hayes said this in an interview years ago.
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"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #13 posted 10/13/20 2:04pm

Astasheiks

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rednblue said:

Astasheiks said:

If have not seen the Interview can you guess which Gift/Talent Prince was most proud of?

Being that Morris Hayes ranks at the Top or the Very Top of Musician that played the longest with Prince.

1. Singing

2. Playing Guitar

3. Playing Piano

4. Playing Keyboards

5. Playing Bass

6. Playing Drums

7. Writing Lyrics

8. Dancing

9. Playing other instruments

10. Recording

11. Harmonies

12. His Fashion

13. Ladies Man

14. His Energy

15. His Emotion on Stage/ Performing

[Edited 10/13/20 11:12am]


Would love to know! If I had to pick an absolute personal favorite, I'd go with your #1, but REALLY want to hear what PRINCE was most proud of.

Astasheiks, what would you have guessed? I o realize you probably heard the answer before considering the question. smile

I would have probably guess his Singing or Guitar playing. Which is not what he told Morris. And you are right on your last sentence. smile

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Astasheiks

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herb4 said:

Probably something to do with "God"

Nope...

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Reply #15 posted 10/13/20 2:06pm

Astasheiks

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rednblue said:

herb4 said:

Probably something to do with "God"


Thanks for that one! Gonna put my bets there!

Nay. The answer is in one of the 15 choices mention in the beginning.

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Reply #16 posted 10/13/20 2:07pm

Astasheiks

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nayroo2002 said:

Without "reading/listening to" the rest, it hast to be performing.

Incorrect/ no...

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Reply #17 posted 10/13/20 2:09pm

Astasheiks

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

It’s his lyrics. I think Hayes said this in an interview years ago. [Edited 10/13/20 13:56pm]

That's It! Or least what Morris said he told him. biggrin razz prince eye yes wildsign crysball beret nod woot! fro music headbang thumbs up! yeahthat

When I heard Morris say that it reminded me of the song where he says, "I Have A Flow Slippery Than A Baby Out the Hole"! haha lol razz lol

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Reply #18 posted 10/13/20 2:10pm

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days of wild, why do that when i can do this, whatever - prince just didnt work as a rapper.

his main issue, and the problem with fans asking why he didnt do better with it, or how he could have done better with it, is why should he have done it? prince just thought he could do everything, and do it better, but with hip hop, he just should have stood down, and stopped himself. the simple fact is just that no one wants to hear prince rapping. no one. irrestible bitch, yes, but beyond that, no thank you.

its like asking if anyone wants to hear chuck d singing. no they really do not.

george clinton found a way of working with rappers. he could do his spoken word type thing. prince never figured out a comfortable way to do it. and 95% of the time, it was cringey. did michael jackon try to rap? no. if prince had tried just once or twice, that would have been forgivable, but he just never stopped! neutral

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Reply #19 posted 10/13/20 2:14pm

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Astasheiks said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

It’s his lyrics. I think Hayes said this in an interview years ago. [Edited 10/13/20 13:56pm]

That's It! Or least what Morris said he told him. biggrin razz prince eye yes wildsign crysball beret nod woot! fro music headbang thumbs up! yeahthat

When I heard Morris say that it reminded me of the song where he says, "I Have A Flow Slippery Than A Baby Out the Hole"! haha lol razz lol


More on that P Flow. biggrin

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Reply #20 posted 10/13/20 2:50pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

days of wild, why do that when i can do this, whatever - prince just didnt work as a rapper.

his main issue, and the problem with fans asking why he didnt do better with it, or how he could have done better with it, is why should he have done it? prince just thought he could do everything, and do it better, but with hip hop, he just should have stood down, and stopped himself. the simple fact is just that no one wants to hear prince rapping. no one. irrestible bitch, yes, but beyond that, no thank you.

its like asking if anyone wants to hear chuck d singing. no they really do not.

george clinton found a way of working with rappers. he could do his spoken word type thing. prince never figured out a comfortable way to do it. and 95% of the time, it was cringey. did michael jackon try to rap? no. if prince had tried just once or twice, that would have been forgivable, but he just never stopped! neutral

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[Edited 10/13/20 14:12pm]


I hear you. You make great points! Goodness knows a person shoulnd't have to, or even try to, do everything. With Prince, it's partly that he did SO many things in such a gifted way that it's tempting to ask. But there still obviously were areas where he didn't get all rave reviews. Directing movies, for example.

The other day, I was reading somebody's account of talking with P when P got on one of his rants about the state of music. He was talking about all the people making it huge, and all the while they can't sing, can't play an instrument, but they sure can sample other artists.

That's when Prince's way with with words, in particular, came to mind. It seemed to me that being poetic, sometimes wickedly so, could speak loudly to that music scene that could, from a superficial point of view, seem a lot about speaking loudly. Of course, the scene was about way more than that, and my idea was oversimple.

All this just to say that it my thoughts came from thinking of P's way with words, an area where he was hugely talented, as opposed to thinking about some random area.

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Reply #21 posted 10/13/20 3:36pm

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As a non rap fan, Days of Wild is probably my favorite rap song ever.
We're here, might as well get into it.
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Reply #22 posted 10/13/20 7:13pm

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As a non rap fan, Days of Wild is probably my favorite rap song ever.


Agreed. 'Days of Wild' is killer and deserved to be on The Gold Experience album. Why it was removed last-minute is a mystery. It was the anthem of that time period live and almost epitomised it.
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Reply #23 posted 10/13/20 8:29pm

Margot

(Don't know much about rap)

  • P-Control
  • Sexy MF

Are those 2 considered rap (attempts)?

I love both

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Reply #24 posted 10/13/20 9:26pm

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As a rap fan, I cant really listen to days of wild, now or pussy control
I like them musically though
Maybe I'll give them another try
The thing is that writing rap lyrics is diff to song lyrics
You dont need to pay attention to melody, just cadence/rhythm
The form of the content is also v diff
A good artist knows their strengths and weaknesses, though I accept that many artists maybe most, do not, which is why you have ppl around you to tell you
But sSometimes I think prince really did not know what ppl liked about him and it's more important as you get older
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Reply #25 posted 10/13/20 10:02pm

Margot

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

As a rap fan, I cant really listen to days of wild, now or pussy control I like them musically though Maybe I'll give them another try The thing is that writing rap lyrics is diff to song lyrics You dont need to pay attention to melody, just cadence/rhythm The form of the content is also v diff A good artist knows their strengths and weaknesses, though I accept that many artists maybe most, do not, which is why you have ppl around you to tell you But sSometimes I think prince really did not know what ppl liked about him and it's more important as you get older

Thanks, I appreciate your take.

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Reply #26 posted 10/14/20 11:11am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

days of wild, why do that when i can do this, whatever - prince just didnt work as a rapper.

his main issue, and the problem with fans asking why he didnt do better with it, or how he could have done better with it, is why should he have done it? prince just thought he could do everything, and do it better, but with hip hop, he just should have stood down, and stopped himself. the simple fact is just that no one wants to hear prince rapping. no one. irrestible bitch, yes, but beyond that, no thank you.

its like asking if anyone wants to hear chuck d singing. no they really do not.

george clinton found a way of working with rappers. he could do his spoken word type thing. prince never figured out a comfortable way to do it. and 95% of the time, it was cringey. did michael jackon try to rap? no. if prince had tried just once or twice, that would have been forgivable, but he just never stopped! neutral

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[Edited 10/13/20 14:12pm]

You don't like Now, Sexy MF, Gett Off or Dead On It, to name a few??

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I think I'm one of the few that, by and large, enjoy Prince's endeavors into rap. At least when it was him and not Tony M doing it. He put his own spin and style on it and usually backed it up with a real band/real music.

Face Down, Now...
Days of Wild, Acknowledge Me...
Funky Design, My Name is Prince...
Dead On It, Race, P Control, Sexy MF...
The FLow, 18 & Over, Pope, Feel Good...

Usually I found it more fun than not.

I'd listen to an album of all those songs.



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Reply #28 posted 10/14/20 2:31pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


days of wild, why do that when i can do this, whatever - prince just didnt work as a rapper.


his main issue, and the problem with fans asking why he didnt do better with it, or how he could have done better with it, is why should he have done it? prince just thought he could do everything, and do it better, but with hip hop, he just should have stood down, and stopped himself. the simple fact is just that no one wants to hear prince rapping. no one. irrestible bitch, yes, but beyond that, no thank you.



its like asking if anyone wants to hear chuck d singing. no they really do not.


george clinton found a way of working with rappers. he could do his spoken word type thing. prince never figured out a comfortable way to do it. and 95% of the time, it was cringey. did michael jackon try to rap? no. if prince had tried just once or twice, that would have been forgivable, but he just never stopped! neutral


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You don't like Now, Sexy MF, Gett Off or Dead On It, to name a few??



I like gett off. His best 90s single. Sexy mf I consider an embarrassment
Though I'd prob like it as an instrumental inna live show
I like dead on it musically. Great guitar line.
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Reply #29 posted 10/14/20 7:55pm

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herb4 said:

I think I'm one of the few that, by and large, enjoy Prince's endeavors into rap. At least when it was him and not Tony M doing it. He put his own spin and style on it and usually backed it up with a real band/real music.

Face Down, Now...
Days of Wild, Acknowledge Me...
Funky Design, My Name is Prince...
Dead On It, Race, P Control, Sexy MF...
The FLow, 18 & Over, Pope, Feel Good...

Usually I found it more fun than not.

I'd listen to an album of all those songs.



Love all of those songs.

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