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Thread started 10/05/20 7:27am

johnnieb

Rainbow Children: Wishful Deluxe Edition

I may be the only one that would look forward to this, even though I have no idea what the outtakes or other songs that were crated around these sessions. But I think the jazz fusion style would be very interesting to hear what else came out of the sessions. anyone know?

Please some of the other live shows would be great!

[Misleading thread title edit - luv4u]

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Reply #1 posted 10/05/20 7:36am

leecaldon

For sure. It would also be an opportunity to release anything that may have been recorded for TRC 2.

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Reply #2 posted 10/05/20 7:37am

udo

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Please post proposed tracklistings with references...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #3 posted 10/05/20 7:48am

emesem

ugh..no if there is one era I'd like to drop into a memory hole, its this one. Would have much prefer to imagine a "High" album as the follow up to Rave and then skip forward to Musicology.

[Edited 10/5/20 7:48am]

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Reply #4 posted 10/05/20 7:51am

TheEnglishGent

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I love the album. Surely there must be The Work Pt 2.

I love Pt 1.

RIP sad
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Reply #5 posted 10/05/20 8:20am

LoveGalore

I would pay good money for Ernest to remove the narrator from TRC like he did Tony M from D&P and Love Symbol. The album itself is fucking fantastic. That narrator could go any time, though. (I doubt it could be edited post production without seriously missing some excellent moments on the title track and Sensual Everafter in particular, but I can dream!)

If we got a TRC SDE, I'd hope we'd get some in progress works that don't have the narrator.

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Reply #6 posted 10/05/20 8:27am

TheEnglishGent

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LoveGalore said:

I would pay good money for Ernest to remove the narrator from TRC like he did Tony M from D&P and Love Symbol. The album itself is fucking fantastic. That narrator could go any time, though. (I doubt it could be edited post production without seriously missing some excellent moments on the title track and Sensual Everafter in particular, but I can dream!)

If we got a TRC SDE, I'd hope we'd get some in progress works that don't have the narrator.

I never did mind the narrator. The only bit I'm not really keen on, is the dialogue in the computer voice at the start of Family Name.

RIP sad
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Reply #7 posted 10/05/20 9:09am

LoveGalore

TheEnglishGent said:



LoveGalore said:


I would pay good money for Ernest to remove the narrator from TRC like he did Tony M from D&P and Love Symbol. The album itself is fucking fantastic. That narrator could go any time, though. (I doubt it could be edited post production without seriously missing some excellent moments on the title track and Sensual Everafter in particular, but I can dream!)



If we got a TRC SDE, I'd hope we'd get some in progress works that don't have the narrator.



I never did mind the narrator. The only bit I'm not really keen on, is the dialogue in the computer voice at the start of Family Name.



I only mind the narrator in the slightest of senses. There's a few particular parts in the title track that are just so fire but have the narrator on top and I'd love to fully jam out to it without devoting at least some of my brain to not focusing on ignoring the voice, lol.
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Reply #8 posted 10/05/20 9:27am

JoeyCococo

I would love a remastered Rainbow album...despite lyrics I didn't care for or agree with, it was the album I returned to most following his passing.. I love the music on this album. I love the period as i include ONA in it. If they could find similarly organic music in the vault for deluxe set, I'd be over the moon. WE were all reminded again that held onto great music with this new SD release of SOTT. Why shold this period be diff.

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Reply #9 posted 10/05/20 2:28pm

jfenster

The freaking movie shot by Kevin smith
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Reply #10 posted 10/05/20 5:20pm

mynameisnotsus
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Its pretty well documented already. You got a live album, you got an aftershow you got a dvd - all still available. Most other releases aren't as well served yet.
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Reply #11 posted 10/05/20 5:27pm

billymeade

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jfenster said:

The freaking movie shot by Kevin smith


That was 3121
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Reply #12 posted 10/05/20 6:22pm

BalladofPeterP
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I love this album.

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Reply #13 posted 10/06/20 12:21am

funkbabyandthe
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It's a good album.
but i think I respect it more for being a truly great prince album/inspired prince album post warners, than I really like hearing it.
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Reply #14 posted 10/06/20 1:09am

McD

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billymeade said:

jfenster said:

The freaking movie shot by Kevin smith


That was 3121


He discussed this film at length in the past tense during 2001/2002.
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Reply #15 posted 10/06/20 7:16am

herb4

mynameisnotsusan said:

Its pretty well documented already. You got a live album, you got an aftershow you got a dvd - all still available. Most other releases aren't as well served yet.


For real. I was thinking the same thing.

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Reply #16 posted 10/06/20 7:24am

DarkKnight1

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Dear God no. That would be a commercial disaster. Maybe something to sell exclusively online or at PP, but this should be at the very bottom of the deluxe edition list.
(Insert something clever here)
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Reply #17 posted 10/06/20 7:25am

udo

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herb4 said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Its pretty well documented already. You got a live album, you got an aftershow you got a dvd - all still available. Most other releases aren't as well served yet.


For real. I was thinking the same thing.

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A live album? An edited mess. Not s simple, single complete show.

I quote 'The CD is the first audio document of Prince’s concerts and includes tracks from nine different shows from eight venues on the One Nite Alone... Tour'.

For the aftershow I quote: 'The CD is the first official audio document of Prince’s legendary aftershow concerts (video of an aftershow had been released previously on The Sacrifice Of Victor VHS) and includes tracks from three different aftershows following shows on the One Nite Alone... Tour.'

For the DVD I quote: 'The DVD features edited down concert footage, recorded on 15 December 2002...'

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So it is all edits, nothing in it's natural flow and order, and such.

To me it appears it is to be redone properly.

If you think this edited mess means 'served well' then your reality differs markedly from mine.

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When a bootleggar can put out gorgeous shows in full, then why would Prince want to/need to/have to edit stuff?

I do not like edits as you can perceive.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #18 posted 10/06/20 7:37am

Rimshottbob

There wasn't much about this album that was commercial - that was kind of the point, though really - but still I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE more from this era. A Super Deluxe will almost never happen, but I would be first in line to buy it....

It's a fantastic album and era, with some truly wonderful music. I never, never, NEVER understood people's problem with the lyrics, the 'Darth Vader' voice (so-called), and all that.

So you don't agree with what he's saying, who cares? I don't have to agree with everything that's being said to have my ears realise that Prince was FIRED UP in this period... I don't care what he cared about, he cared about something, and that brought the music to life in a way that hadn't happened for a while.

Bring on a Deluxe edition of this!

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Reply #19 posted 10/06/20 8:24am

leecaldon

jfenster said:

The freaking movie shot by Kevin smith

I would love to see this, if only because I would be in it smile Once saw a trailer on YouTube from that week at PP, which I was in - but have not been able to find it since.

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Reply #20 posted 10/06/20 9:37am

herb4

udo said:

herb4 said:


For real. I was thinking the same thing.

.

A live album? An edited mess. Not s simple, single complete show.

I quote 'The CD is the first audio document of Prince’s concerts and includes tracks from nine different shows from eight venues on the One Nite Alone... Tour'.

For the aftershow I quote: 'The CD is the first official audio document of Prince’s legendary aftershow concerts (video of an aftershow had been released previously on The Sacrifice Of Victor VHS) and includes tracks from three different aftershows following shows on the One Nite Alone... Tour.'

For the DVD I quote: 'The DVD features edited down concert footage, recorded on 15 December 2002...'

.

So it is all edits, nothing in it's natural flow and order, and such.

To me it appears it is to be redone properly.

If you think this edited mess means 'served well' then your reality differs markedly from mine.

.

When a bootleggar can put out gorgeous shows in full, then why would Prince want to/need to/have to edit stuff?

I do not like edits as you can perceive.


I suppose.

I was just agreeing with the person who said that TRC probably got more in depth documentation as an album, across more media and in a broader scope, than anything Prince ever offically released, especially considering how niche the album is in his catlaog. I went to two ONA shows and the box set ONA Live CD's I got seemed to capture them very well. So well, in fact, that by the time it was all over (TRC album, tour, DVD, CD's, ONA Piano, NPGMC stuff, bootlegs), I was done with the whole thing and ready for something new.

That coconut was milked.

The aftershow CD is another matter and, yeah, it was a let down for the most part. I'll never understand why Prince didn't make them available for download in soundboard quality but that was how he rolled.

Splicing or editing versions of the same songs from different sets to get the best sound, camera work or band performance is hardly a ding in his legacy or a cardinal sin against humanity though. I have a few bootlegs of the ONA shows and none of them are markedly different in terms of "flow" or much of anything else besides lower sound quality. From what I've listened to, the set list was 90% - 95% the same every night, along with the stage banter etc.

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Reply #21 posted 10/06/20 9:59am

emesem

Yes would love to see this and fully expect to be in it in the background somewhere. Have few memories about this and this was pre-cell phone camera for me, so no pictures. I recall chating with him. Mostly about his comic books but I recall him saying "This is fucking wierd, man". Such a good guy. Brought his wife and kid too.

leecaldon said:

jfenster said:

The freaking movie shot by Kevin smith

I would love to see this, if only because I would be in it smile Once saw a trailer on YouTube from that week at PP, which I was in - but have not been able to find it since.

[Edited 10/6/20 10:00am]

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Reply #22 posted 10/06/20 10:17am

dm3857

Could be amazing for as far as the live stuff the could put on there. A whole ONA show, Audio and Video, perhaps Tokyo or Copenhagen and then of course one of the kick ass aftershows from this period. The Kevin Smith film also. that along with outtakes would be an amazing set.

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Reply #23 posted 10/06/20 8:01pm

mynameisnotsus
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udo said:



herb4 said:




mynameisnotsusan said:


Its pretty well documented already. You got a live album, you got an aftershow you got a dvd - all still available. Most other releases aren't as well served yet.


For real. I was thinking the same thing.



.


A live album? An edited mess. Not s simple, single complete show.


I quote 'The CD is the first audio document of Prince’s concerts and includes tracks from nine different shows from eight venues on the One Nite Alone... Tour'.


For the aftershow I quote: 'The CD is the first official audio document of Prince’s legendary aftershow concerts (video of an aftershow had been released previously on The Sacrifice Of Victor VHS) and includes tracks from three different aftershows following shows on the One Nite Alone... Tour.'


For the DVD I quote: 'The DVD features edited down concert footage, recorded on 15 December 2002...'


.


So it is all edits, nothing in it's natural flow and order, and such.


To me it appears it is to be redone properly.


If you think this edited mess means 'served well' then your reality differs markedly from mine.


.


When a bootleggar can put out gorgeous shows in full, then why would Prince want to/need to/have to edit stuff?


I do not like edits as you can perceive.



The releases are exactly how Prince wanted. Your idea of properly doesn't matter.
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Reply #24 posted 10/06/20 8:07pm

lustmealways

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mynameisnotsusan said:

The releases are exactly how Prince wanted

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[Edited 10/6/20 20:07pm]

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Reply #25 posted 10/06/20 9:46pm

udo

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mynameisnotsusan said:

The releases are exactly how Prince wanted. Your idea of properly doesn't matter.

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What Prince wants or wanted is not important anymore.

Look at the SOTT SDE set. More W&L than Prince could erase from SOTT.

In that way we like a concert, an aftershow in a CD with the natural flow and order, not a cut-up, artificial mess that might be interesting to Prince.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #26 posted 10/07/20 6:51am

jdcxc

Brilliant album, but I cant see this being done for another 20 years.

And please release an alternative version without the Darth Vader voiceovers.

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Reply #27 posted 10/07/20 11:07am

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billymeade said:

jfenster said:
The freaking movie shot by Kevin smith
That was 3121

Didn't think the 3121 film was the project he hired Kevin Smith to make. Smith worked on some kind of Rainbow Children album documentary.

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Reply #28 posted 10/08/20 1:08am

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ufoclub said:

billymeade said:

jfenster said: That was 3121

Didn't think the 3121 film was the project he hired Kevin Smith to make. Smith worked on some kind of Rainbow Children album documentary.


You are correct.

RIP sad
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Reply #29 posted 10/08/20 1:51pm

jfenster

Anyone know of outtakes from album that exist...wasn't family name originally mirror,mirror??
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