Yes, and listen in every dark corner of your rooms and the brightest spots in your home

Often, just to take the edge off

mrjj71 said:

Like everyone I'm always interested in hearing the outakes/other songs etc from Prince's career but should we be listening to them?

I'm pretty sure Prince wouldn't approve of us hearing unfinished ideas or sketches-I know as a musician too,I wouldn't want anyone hearing my unfinished or unpolished material.

I do what's called production music for a living-basically music for tv and film and i'd say I write about 90-100 tracks a year for that but there's also another 40 or so that don't get used beacause I don't think they're good enough.

Now I know that's not the same as actual songs-they're even more personal but there's definitely a reason why all his other songs got left off the albums.

I really love that the albums are getting remastered because I want to hear Prince with the best possible sound and am intrigued by the outakes/demos(although I do think there's only a handful that come anywhere close to being as strong as the released material) but at the same time it doesn't quite sit right for me.

Anyone else or is it just me?!

No, the Estate should have burnt the vault and everything in it as soon as possible.

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Dude, seriously, if you don't want people to listen to your outtakes after you die, destroy them. What do you think happens? The world belongs to the living not the dead, and Prince BTW knew it since he once acknowledged that things would get released after he dies. And I think some engineer also once said he had him erase some tapes with offensive language, so whatever he didn't want us to find, he had the opportunity to get rid of.

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Now I want the Estate to release Work That Fat. As in, NOW!!

If Prince REEEEAAAALLY didn't want anyone listening to vault tracks, then

1. he would have NEVER released '98 Crystal Ball set, because he's acknowledging the mythos and legend that is the vault and basically encouraging his hardcore, obessed fanbase
2. he would have left a will

or he would have just destroyed all the masters..... as possesive Prince was in his beliefs and convictions, don't you think he would have destroyed the vault stuff asap at least after 2010 or so?

nah, he knew it would all come out, he also knew his fans would be aware that most vault tracks arent "finished" but still kick ass

Of course he left a will. I think to really think otherwise is naive. I also think that the will was extremely EXTREMELY limiting in what could be done with the released material, let alone the unreleased stuff. As someone said, "Not on Spotify".

Anyway, that's only my personal belief and I have no evidence for it but there's a large part of me that is suprised anyone thinks otherwise... Here follow some more of my keraaazy personal beliefs:

Prince was wrong about the ownership of music. Every piece of music is the common property of all humanity... He understands that where he is now and more than anything just digs people loving anything he did.

mrjj71 said:

Should we really be listening to the vault songs?

Yes.


But you don't have to. Feel free to miss out if you prefer.

newpowergeneration said:

Of course he left a will. I think to really think otherwise is naive. I also think that the will was extremely EXTREMELY limiting in what could be done with the released material, let alone the unreleased stuff. As someone said, "Not on Spotify".

Anyway, that's only my personal belief and I have no evidence for it but there's a large part of me that is suprised anyone thinks otherwise... Here follow some more of my keraaazy personal beliefs:

Prince was wrong about the ownership of music. Every piece of music is the common property of all humanity... He understands that where he is now and more than anything just digs people loving anything he did.

LMAO. Yeah ok.

newpowergeneration said:

Of course he left a will. I think to really think otherwise is naive. I also think that the will was extremely EXTREMELY limiting in what could be done with the released material, let alone the unreleased stuff. As someone said, "Not on Spotify".

Anyway, that's only my personal belief and I have no evidence for it but there's a large part of me that is suprised anyone thinks otherwise... Here follow some more of my keraaazy personal beliefs:

Prince was wrong about the ownership of music. Every piece of music is the common property of all humanity... He understands that where he is now and more than anything just digs people loving anything he did.

"Of course he left a will" and "that's only my personal belief" don't go along, don't ya think? because the first thing is making it a fact that a will does exist, and it has been reported as such. The secont thing is just your opinion.

djThunderfunk said:

mrjj71 said:

Should we really be listening to the vault songs?

Yes.

But you don't have to. Feel free to miss out if you prefer.

Long and short of it right there.

mrjj71 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Then your comment and the whole thread makes even less sense tbh.

How so?

Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't you base your sentiment around your opinion that there are only maybe about 15 real gems out there? And as long as you haven't heard EVERYTHING from the vault, you really can't say that.

But if you asked because of a missing will or whatever, like I said in another post, he already said that his material from the vault will be released if he's not here anymore..... so.....

[Edited 9/24/20 12:23pm]

ThatWhiteDude said:

mrjj71 said:

ThatWhiteDude said: How so?

Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't you base your sentiment around your opinion that there are only maybe about 15 real gems out there? And as long as you haven't heard EVERYTHING from the vault, you really can't say that.

But if you asked because of a missing will or whatever, like I said in another post, he already said that his material from the vault will be released if he's not here anymore..... so.....

[Edited 9/24/20 12:23pm]

Well no,I haven't heard everything from the vault-that's true but I would hazzard a guess then(and yes,it's pure speculation) that a huge amount of the material has been leaked already.

Maybe 15 is a bit low-possibly 20/25 but I don't think there's going to be any hidden 'instant classic' lp's hidden in there.

Don't get me wrong,I hope i'm wrong and there's some fully completed 80's albums in there that we don't know of-nothing would make me happier,I just don't think there is.

Maybe my issue is that Prince set the bar so high in most of those released 80s lp's that the unreleased stuff is never going to be anywhere near as amazing.

I think half of Prince's allure was the mystery and now I guess some of that is being diluted with stuff that maybe we weren't meant to hear.

I want it ALL.

Does that answer your question?

databank said:

parker said:

I hope this question was asked before clicking "checkout".

Yes.

lustmealways said:

to honor prince's wishes, anytime i want to listen to movie star, i force myself to listen to jam of the year first. it's how he would've wanted it.

If you're trying to get in to heaven this won't help, might as well pull up a chair next to the fire with us heathens and enjoy the music.

Open the motherfucking floodgates.

newpowergeneration said:

Of course he left a will. I think to really think otherwise is naive. I also think that the will was extremely EXTREMELY limiting in what could be done with the released material, let alone the unreleased stuff. As someone said, "Not on Spotify".

Anyway, that's only my personal belief and I have no evidence for it but there's a large part of me that is suprised anyone thinks otherwise... Here follow some more of my keraaazy personal beliefs:

Prince was wrong about the ownership of music. Every piece of music is the common property of all humanity... He understands that where he is now and more than anything just digs people loving anything he did.

I've read some sand-poundingly stupid things on the org - but this might take the cake.

NouveauDance said:

To me the only issue is there appears to be no ability to distinguish what the songs purpose or stage of completion was and that should matter vs. the completed but unreleased material. But we're left having to ponder the origins and intent of some of these, and if he ever meant them to be Prince songs. For the completed work, he always meant for it to be heard one day, which is why he said people weren't ready for them at that time.

we don't know Prince's wishes. And anyway, he said conflicting things about it, he changed his mind often and often said things just to muddy the waters and keep the mystique. So.. Prince's wishes, whatever they might have been, cannot be taken into account.

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Second, they are saying they keep "unfinished tracks" in the vault, they won't release them. However, there is no way to know what an unfinished track is... I mean, they released a version of 100MPH with instrumentation in there that Prince had removed for the finished track on the Mazarati album. For other tracks, including Kiss and most famously When Doves Cry, but also, for instance, Nothing Compares To You, Prince removed a lot of instruments for the final version. He also recorded lots of instrumentals, that possibly later got lyrics.

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So.. they won't release unfinished tracks, but they released tracks with instrumentation that was removed later on (so they released an unfinished version) and they also released instrumentals (such as Colleen, amongst others) that did not have lyrics yet.

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So.. we cannot know or take into account Prince's wishes, although they say they do, and they are already releasing unfinished stuff, even though they say they won't... why not releas it all?

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First things first though, get rid of mr Bolas and let time period appropriate engineers mix. Get the three Davids out, Z, Leonard and Tickle. Get Don Batts, get Susan Rogers, get Peggy Leonard-MacReary (spelling?), get Femi Jiya and all the others. Hell, get Ian Boxill (Deliverance sounded magnificent!)

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Then get working on getting mixes for all songs. Do multiple mixes if several downmixes were made to tape.

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Next, sort out the liveshows and start selling them online with as little production cost associated. In a similar way that Pearl Jam sold their concerts in plain paper sleeves. Either that or a subscription where you add a show a month that can only be listened to online and subscription gives you the official releases a week before others and you get preferential treatment for events. (yes, NPG music club all over)

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That way Prince's legacy will be honored (because that's what it is about in the end) and there will be a steady income stream from which to pay for keeping Paisley Park open and have people prepare releases.

mrjj71 said:

Yet another stupid-ass forum...

databank said:

mrjj71 said:

Like everyone I'm always interested in hearing the outakes/other songs etc from Prince's career but should we be listening to them?

I'm pretty sure Prince wouldn't approve of us hearing unfinished ideas or sketches-I know as a musician too,I wouldn't want anyone hearing my unfinished or unpolished material.

I do what's called production music for a living-basically music for tv and film and i'd say I write about 90-100 tracks a year for that but there's also another 40 or so that don't get used beacause I don't think they're good enough.

Now I know that's not the same as actual songs-they're even more personal but there's definitely a reason why all his other songs got left off the albums.

I really love that the albums are getting remastered because I want to hear Prince with the best possible sound and am intrigued by the outakes/demos(although I do think there's only a handful that come anywhere close to being as strong as the released material) but at the same time it doesn't quite sit right for me.

Anyone else or is it just me?!

No, the Estate should have burnt the vault and everything in it as soon as possible.

.

Dude, seriously, if you don't want people to listen to your outtakes after you die, destroy them. What do you think happens? The world belongs to the living not the dead, and Prince BTW knew it since he once acknowledged that things would get released after he dies. And I think some engineer also once said he had him erase some tapes with offensive language, so whatever he didn't want us to find, he had the opportunity to get rid of.

.

Now I want the Estate to release Work That Fat. As in, NOW!!

I think if he destroyd them then WB would have sued him for millions becuase they own it, right?

owning the right to release it is not the same as "owning it". Besides, they coudn't release anything without Prince's approval as well. So either side could block release. And physical posession is yet another thing. WB could have copies of everything regardless.

JorisE73 said:

databank said:

No, the Estate should have burnt the vault and everything in it as soon as possible.

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Dude, seriously, if you don't want people to listen to your outtakes after you die, destroy them. What do you think happens? The world belongs to the living not the dead, and Prince BTW knew it since he once acknowledged that things would get released after he dies. And I think some engineer also once said he had him erase some tapes with offensive language, so whatever he didn't want us to find, he had the opportunity to get rid of.

.

Now I want the Estate to release Work That Fat. As in, NOW!!

I think if he destroyd them then WB would have sued him for millions becuase they own it, right?

That's an intriguing question. Was Prince even allowed to destroy recordings he didn't release but that were recorded using WB's money? I'm not talking about what he recorded later, after he left WB, obviously.

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(I'm pretty sure this was already discussed here, so sorry if I don't remember the conclusions.)

[Edited 9/29/20 5:17am]

olb99 said:

JorisE73 said:

I think if he destroyd them then WB would have sued him for millions becuase they own it, right?

That's an intriguing question. Was Prince even allowed to destroy recordings he didn't release but that were recorded using WB's money? I'm not talking about what he recorded later, after he left WB, obviously.

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(I'm pretty sure this was already discussed here, so sorry if I don't remember the conclusions.)

[Edited 9/29/20 5:17am]

That;s exactly what I meant and I don;t remember either, but to me it seems logic that he wasn't allowed to do a thing like that.