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Reply #30 posted 09/17/20 11:05am

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camilleisfunky said:

That horn line sounds very familiar... I'm sure he used it elsewhere, perhaps live in concert, just can't put my finger on it.



The Horn line is the guitar line in James Brown's "soul Power"



There is some Musicology on it !
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Reply #31 posted 09/17/20 11:15am

MIRvmn

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Great song cool
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Reply #32 posted 09/17/20 11:15am

camilleisfunky

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TheFreakerFantastic said:




camilleisfunky said:


That horn line sounds very familiar... I'm sure he used it elsewhere, perhaps live in concert, just can't put my finger on it.

Correct - I thought so too then just figured out he used it in Controversy when it was played live in concert!




He used them on Kiss too.


I was 99% sure it was Controversy, but didn't want Bart to be like 'if you care so much about this, why didn't you go check it out?'...you see, I'm at work and don't have time to research things. Doesn't prevent me from playing this back to back 50 times! Great song.
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Reply #33 posted 09/17/20 11:53am

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I likes..........

[Edited 9/17/20 11:56am]

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #34 posted 09/17/20 11:57am

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This is wild.

Yes, he used that horn riff during live versions of Kiss.

It kind of reminds me of I Want Your Sex by George Michael. I mean musically, not in terms of production.
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Reply #35 posted 09/17/20 11:57am

Marco81

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The pre-chorus chords and arrangement remind me of something, too. I can't think what it is, though.

Song of the Heart?

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Reply #36 posted 09/17/20 12:01pm

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An odd, if enjoyable choice. Most of us know from the bootleg scene that there are stronger songs featured on the set, that were not intended for female artist(s) and are far superior. Still, it's a fun, funky romp, but if it had been recorded anytime after 1989, most critics would've considered it 'disposable'.

Why an insanely monstrous ear-worm like 'Emotional Pump' was not released as a single I will never know. There's literally an embarassment of riches to highlight.


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Reply #37 posted 09/17/20 12:05pm

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Marco81 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Song of the Heart?

I heard Song of the Heart in this too

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Reply #38 posted 09/17/20 12:57pm

steakfinger

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The sound on this is great (headphones). I’m still blown away by how Prince was able to write songs for a wide variety of artists in their voice...I mean, it’s hard enough just to write a song, let alone for anyone else. It’s incredible that I can listen to this and imagine Bonnie Raitt singing it.

That IS amazing considering he didn't write it for Bonnie Raitt. Your imagination is a powerful thing. Emotional Pump is about as far away from Joni Mitchell's "voice" as it gets lyrically, yet he somehow thought that would be appropriate for her to sing. I think I disagree with your hypothesis.

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Reply #39 posted 09/17/20 1:00pm

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Poplife88 said:

Marco81 said:

Song of the Heart?

I heard Song of the Heart in this too


Could be. I'd have to listen. I felt like it was something newer-ish (opposed to another 80s or 90s era song).

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #40 posted 09/17/20 1:04pm

Pellwormer

I would say...it was dumb...that she didn't take this song on her album...because...people like me bought albums with Prince-input back in those days...even it was only produced ...or written..by Prince...like Madonna, No Doubt, Nona Hendryx, Patti Labelle, Sheena Easton, James Brown with Aretha.....etc.

it would had brought her new fans and more money

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Reply #41 posted 09/17/20 1:17pm

LoveGalore

Pellwormer said:

I would say...it was dumb...that she didn't take this song on her album...because...people like me bought albums with Prince-input back in those days...even it was only produced ...or written..by Prince...like Madonna, No Doubt, Nona Hendryx, Patti Labelle, Sheena Easton, James Brown with Aretha.....etc.



it would had brought her new fans and more money



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All due respect, but at the time she had her pick of hit producers and I don't think she made the wrong choice. None of these songs, written for The Hookers lol, strike me as too Bonnie Raitt.
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Reply #42 posted 09/17/20 1:23pm

dplatt

LoveGalore said:

Pellwormer said:

I would say...it was dumb...that she didn't take this song on her album...because...people like me bought albums with Prince-input back in those days...even it was only produced ...or written..by Prince...like Madonna, No Doubt, Nona Hendryx, Patti Labelle, Sheena Easton, James Brown with Aretha.....etc.

it would had brought her new fans and more money

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All due respect, but at the time she had her pick of hit producers and I don't think she made the wrong choice. None of these songs, written for The Hookers lol, strike me as too Bonnie Raitt.

Did she? Her career was pretty stagnant at the time. Her big comeback wasn't until a couple of years later.

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Reply #43 posted 09/17/20 1:24pm

BlueShakooo

Pellwormer said:

I would say...it was dumb...that she didn't take this song on her album...because...people like me bought albums with Prince-input back in those days...even it was only produced ...or written..by Prince...like Madonna, No Doubt, Nona Hendryx, Patti Labelle, Sheena Easton, James Brown with Aretha.....etc.



it would had brought her new fans and more money



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She had very successful Albums in '89 and' 91.
https://en.wikipedia.org/...prov=sfla1
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Reply #44 posted 09/17/20 3:25pm

ForceofNature

This is a great version of I Need A Man... very cool!

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Reply #45 posted 09/17/20 3:44pm

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http://princetext.tripod....one90.html

While being so productive on his own, Prince has also found time to produce such disparate talents as Mavis Staples, George Clinton and Bonnie Raitt. "The best thing about producing is that there are so many really talented people who just never got that push over the top," he says. "Without that push, they just get lost."

Raitt was perhaps his most talked-about reclamation project. "Oh, those sessions were kicking!" Prince says. But nothing was ever released -- a fact which Prince takes the blame for. "There was no particular reason it didn't come out," he says. "I was just working on a lot of things at the same time, and I didn't give myself enough time to work with her. I used to do that a lot -- start five different projects and only get a couple done. That's the biggest thing I'm working on: patience and planning."

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Reply #46 posted 09/17/20 4:09pm

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Pellwormer said:

I would say...it was dumb...that she didn't take this song on her album...because...people like me bought albums with Prince-input back in those days...even it was only produced ...or written..by Prince...like Madonna, No Doubt, Nona Hendryx, Patti Labelle, Sheena Easton, James Brown with Aretha.....etc.

it would had brought her new fans and more money

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Her 1989 album Nick of time sold more copies than Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy combined. I think she did fine own her own.

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Reply #47 posted 09/17/20 4:59pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

Pellwormer said:

I would say...it was dumb...that she didn't take this song on her album...because...people like me bought albums with Prince-input back in those days...even it was only produced ...or written..by Prince...like Madonna, No Doubt, Nona Hendryx, Patti Labelle, Sheena Easton, James Brown with Aretha.....etc.

it would had brought her new fans and more money

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Her 1989 album Nick of time sold more copies than Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy combined. I think she did fine own her own.

Also, taking Prince songs means they have to fit with the rest of the record. Now I haven't heard Nick Of Time but would P's tracks have fit on it? Often enough, P's tracks kind of stood out as the best - but weirdest - songs on an album when he'd only write one or 2 tunes. True, he was in demand as a songwriter and people still got a few hits out of him after 1986, but the number of people who only purchased a record because Prince was on it was probably relatively low even at the time. It's nearly impossible to estimate, but maybe a few dozen thousands at best. It could be a cool boost for relatively small acts such as Candy Dulfer, Lois Lane or Louie Louie, but I doubt it brought a significant percentage of sales to the likes of Madonna, Joe Cocker or Céline Dion, and Bonnie Raitt was def in that category at the time.

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Reply #48 posted 09/17/20 5:02pm

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Nothing great but a good song nonetheless and I do hear Song Of The Heart as well.

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Reply #49 posted 09/17/20 5:16pm

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Makes me thing it'd be funny if the estate manages to talk some artists into covering (or singing for the first time) songs P offered them but they declined to use. Some are dead unfortunately, but it'd be cool to hear Martika's rendition of Open Book, Violent Femme's rendition of Wonderful Ass, Joni's rendition of Emotional Pump, etc. We should actually make a list of songs artists declined to use (outside of songs considered for side projects, maybe, because the list then becomes endless, besides P often decided himself against using such or such song), it'd be interesting.

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Out of memory:

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DEAD:

Joe Cocker: Old Friends 4 Sale

James Brown: Chocolate (not sure if this one's confirmed but it was reported in the 90's, a 1986 submission IIRC)

Michael Jackson: Wouldn't You love To Love Me

Miles Davis: Penetration, Jailbait and A Girl And Her Puppy

Robert Palmer: Lust U Always

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ALIVE:

Madonna: By Alien Means

Joni Mitchel: Emotional Pump

Bonnie Raitt: I Need A Man, Jealous Girl, Promise 2 Be True and There’s Something I Like About Being Your Fool

George Clinton: My Pony

Tevin Campbell: Down and The P

Violent Femmes: Wonderful Ass

Martika: Open Book

Candy Dulfer: several unknwon tracks for her 2nd album

Dale: The Latest Fashion and 2nd Thoughts

Mazarati: Jerk Out

The Three O'Clock: Girl O’ My Dreams, We Can Funk, Teacher, Teacher and Can’t Stop This Feeling I Got

Taja Sevelle: I think she mentioned a song but she couldn't remember the title

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What did I forget?

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Reply #50 posted 09/17/20 5:54pm

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Was Bonnie Raitt supposed to do the little rap section too?

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Reply #51 posted 09/17/20 6:19pm

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What an amazing track!

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Reply #52 posted 09/17/20 6:44pm

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Here is some info on that time Bonnie and Prince worked together, in case anyone cares:

https://diffuser.fm/princ...u-love-me/

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Reply #53 posted 09/17/20 6:51pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



TheFreakerFantastic said:




camilleisfunky said:


That horn line sounds very familiar... I'm sure he used it elsewhere, perhaps live in concert, just can't put my finger on it.

Correct - I thought so too then just figured out he used it in Controversy when it was played live in concert!




This is the first thing I noticed. He was using that punchy hornline in "Controversy" since 1986. We probably first heard it in the Sheridan video. Seems he's mostly used something similar, if not the exact same thing, ever since.

>The pre-chorus chords and arrangement remind me of something, too. I can't think what it is, though[/b].

The song is cute overall. Feels more fleshed out, interesting.



It reminds me of "U're All I Want".
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Reply #54 posted 09/18/20 2:23am

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"Holy cow"! I like it & I'm so glad to get shortly this massive release! In fact, I like all Price songs despite....."The P." & "Work That Fat" as Questlove. biggrin

"Money won't buy U happiness but it'll pay 4 the search."
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Reply #55 posted 09/18/20 3:52am

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Makes me thing it'd be funny if the estate manages to talk some artists into covering (or singing for the first time) songs P offered them but they declined to use. Some are dead unfortunately, but it'd be cool to hear Martika's rendition of Open Book, Violent Femme's rendition of Wonderful Ass, Joni's rendition of Emotional Pump, etc. We should actually make a list of songs artists declined to use (outside of songs considered for side projects, maybe, because the list then becomes endless, besides P often decided himself against using such or such song), it'd be interesting.

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Out of memory:

.

DEAD:

Joe Cocker: Old Friends 4 Sale

James Brown: Chocolate (not sure if this one's confirmed but it was reported in the 90's, a 1986 submission IIRC)

Michael Jackson: Wouldn't You love To Love Me

Miles Davis: Penetration, Jailbait and A Girl And Her Puppy

Robert Palmer: Lust U Always

.

ALIVE:

Madonna: By Alien Means

Joni Mitchel: Emotional Pump

Bonnie Raitt: I Need A Man, Jealous Girl, Promise 2 Be True and There’s Something I Like About Being Your Fool

George Clinton: My Pony

Tevin Campbell: Down and The P

Violent Femmes: Wonderful Ass

Martika: Open Book

Candy Dulfer: several unknwon tracks for her 2nd album

Dale: The Latest Fashion and 2nd Thoughts

Mazarati: Jerk Out

The Three O'Clock: Girl O’ My Dreams, We Can Funk, Teacher, Teacher and Can’t Stop This Feeling I Got

Taja Sevelle: I think she mentioned a song but she couldn't remember the title

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What did I forget?

[Edited 9/17/20 17:16pm]


If my memory serves me right, Prince also wrote 2 songs for Kylie Minogue. "Cruel Lover" and "Sex on Legs" come to mind. I think this was before her Michael Hutchence romance, so not sure her image was ready for those song titles just yet 😆

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Reply #56 posted 09/18/20 3:53am

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databank said:

Miles Davis: Penetration, Jailbait and A Girl And Her Puppy

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They were recorded in a studio in Germany in 1991 (but never released, obviously): "Around 60 minutes of music was recorded – three takes of “Penetration”, (Garrett on alto sax), five takes of “Jailbait” (with Garrett on baritone sax) and two takes of “A Girl And Her Puppy,” (Garrett played soprano sax)."

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More information here: https://www.thelastmiles....-albrecht/

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Reply #57 posted 09/18/20 4:23am

AvocadosMax

Can’t say i’m feeling this one... its meh

Cool to hear the horns from Controversy live 86 and its groovy but aside from that i’m not into this.
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Reply #58 posted 09/18/20 5:12am

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It's a little Prince's gem, just great to hear in this superb quality.

I love me some Bonnie Raitt,

and for that reason I love this song, thinking of her,

and what a wonderful artist and a superd amazing guitarist she actually is.

I love her version too, but it's in such a bad bootleg quality, shame.

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So, eight more nights smile

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Reply #59 posted 09/18/20 7:26am

darlingnikkkki

I love this song. Prince sang it better than Bonnie Raitt. Love the horns.
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
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