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was prince lucky in missing the whole #metoo movement?

i know he prob has everyone under non disclosure agreements that last until eternity but you do wonder what might have come out had he not died just as it was making real headway. and thats not because i want to see him 'cancelled' or any such nonsense - i believe artists should be made to pay for their crimes, but should still get to see their music distributed and allow them to make a living as much as anyone. but it does make you wonder.... same for david bowie, who died in the same year. whatever there is, it wouldnt undo princes good work in hiring female musicians, or working with so many women in positions that there werent many (engineering etc), or his treatment of gender, but it would be interesting to know what was happening behind the scenes.

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Reply #1 posted 09/09/20 11:37am

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rolleyes

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Reply #2 posted 09/09/20 11:50am

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Fucking hell. I’m so happy I’m old and sane.
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Reply #3 posted 09/09/20 11:53am

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I mean lucky is probably not the word I'd use, but I see your point.

Although anything major that would have come out were he alive would still come out now. I don't think there's a limit to the kind of gossip peple consume. People are just as hungry for stories of dead celebs as for the living. Look at Michael Jackson.

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Speaking of Michael Jackson, the bulk of the real metoo/reputation destroying stories are horribly illegal. We might shame a celeb that mis speaks, but we put Bill Cosby in jail. Same for Weinstein, Epstein, Jackson if you believe it, and to a lesser extent, Louie CK. All that shit was criminal.

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The most legally suspect Prince gossip seems to be his relationship with Mayte, and Mayte's not complaining. There's a hundred stories about him being a dick, but Prince never pretended to be anything but difficult.

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Reply #4 posted 09/09/20 11:58am

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No, because he died, alone, and probably in agony. There was nothing lucky about it.

And no amount of salacious gossip would have ever hurt him. His fans are loyal.
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Reply #5 posted 09/09/20 12:08pm

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I think by now if any woman had anything to say against Prince, she'd have said it. Except for Sinead's dubious allegations, no one ever accused him of any form of sexual or physical abuse. I haven't heard anything about Bowie either. Truth be told and as shocking as it may sound for the average blue collar, it appears that not all celebrities are abusive bastards who have their fun commiting illegal acts. As said above, Prince could be a hell of a dick at times, but it's important to remember there's a line between breaking the law and being a dick. I don't think P would have suffered much in the whole #metoo thing. If nothing else, he managed to be perceived as a gentleman and a feminist icon overall.

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As for Mayte, it's quite interesting to compare the way tabloids and, later on, Alex Hahn made it all sound in his book to the way she describes the events in hers. I don't see what could possibly be "legally suspect" in the events she describes.

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Reply #6 posted 09/09/20 12:09pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

rolleyes


Seriously what is it with some people. Think I'm gonna start some positive threads on the main forum, it's getting more and more depressing.

To the OP, what do you mean with lucky? Do you truly believe that there's not one woman who would've come forward or something? Also, how can you say that he's lucky? The man died of an OD four years ago. If that's what you call lucky..... Well then. confused
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Reply #7 posted 09/09/20 12:18pm

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databank said:

I think by now if any woman had anything to say against Prince, she'd have said it. Except for Sinead's dubious allegations, no one ever accused him of any form of sexual or physical abuse. I haven't heard anything about Bowie either. Truth be told and as shocking as it may sound for the average blue collar, it appears that not all celebrities are abusive bastards who have their fun commiting illegal acts. As said above, Prince could be a hell of a dick at times, but it's important to remember there's a line between breaking the law and being a dick. I don't think P would have suffered much in the whole #metoo thing. If nothing else, he managed to be perceived as a gentleman and a feminist icon overall.


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As for Mayte, it's quite interesting to compare the way tabloids and, later on, Alex Hahn made it all sound in his book to the way she describes the events in hers. I don't see what could possibly be "legally suspect" in the events she describes.

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yeahthat did alex ask associates about him and maytes relationship or did he just take things from tabloids?
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Reply #8 posted 09/09/20 12:18pm

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That's it. I'm convinced. The world has gone STUPID...

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Reply #9 posted 09/09/20 12:19pm

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In a fairly recent interview with Duane Tudahl and Questlove, Ruth Arzate (his assistant-managger for seven years) brought up the #metoo movement. She saw girlfriends and proteges during her tenure and said he was "always respectful".

Prince, being chased by many, many women may actually have had reason to have a #hetoo LOL

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Reply #10 posted 09/09/20 12:32pm

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Yes. I'm actually envious of Prince for dying like that.

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Reply #11 posted 09/09/20 12:56pm

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Reply #12 posted 09/09/20 1:02pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

databank said:

I think by now if any woman had anything to say against Prince, she'd have said it. Except for Sinead's dubious allegations, no one ever accused him of any form of sexual or physical abuse. I haven't heard anything about Bowie either. Truth be told and as shocking as it may sound for the average blue collar, it appears that not all celebrities are abusive bastards who have their fun commiting illegal acts. As said above, Prince could be a hell of a dick at times, but it's important to remember there's a line between breaking the law and being a dick. I don't think P would have suffered much in the whole #metoo thing. If nothing else, he managed to be perceived as a gentleman and a feminist icon overall.

.

As for Mayte, it's quite interesting to compare the way tabloids and, later on, Alex Hahn made it all sound in his book to the way she describes the events in hers. I don't see what could possibly be "legally suspect" in the events she describes.

[Edited 9/9/20 12:09pm]

yeahthat did alex ask associates about him and maytes relationship or did he just take things from tabloids?

With all due respect for Alex, with whom I have no beef, and whose books I enjoyed to the extent that they revealed certain facts that weren't known to the community before, with the first book he had a hidden agenda (to take revenge for the shit P gave to Uptown mag) and a premise that made his work subject to every conceivable bias (he had to live-up to his book's title, i.e. there was indeed a "fall", and the whole narrative depending on proving it). Now, IIRC (I read Possessed 15 years ago) Alex interviewed some people about the whole Mayte situation, I don't think he just took the tabloids into account.

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Now that's the thing, these aspects of someone's biography are always the trickiest. Just imagine someone would ask your friends or colleagues, years after the fact, about your relationship with some ex. How much of their narrative would you find accurate or fair? How much of it would your ex find accurate or fair? Hell, even if you ask the 2 people involved themselves!! I just had an email exchange with an ex from 15-12 years ago lately and, wow, I realized that while sometimes we did, we didn't always remember the story and the facts the same way.

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You could tell then that it's true for everything else, except there is a level of intimacy and isolation in a couple's relationship that you don't usually have in a work context. Somehow, whatever P's associates/employees will tell you about recording sessions or rehearsals can more or less be corroborated or denied by other parties. Not every little fact because sometimes no one else was in the room, but the general situation or atmosphere. Now when it comes to what the hell happened in the intimacy of P's bedroom, of his daily life with his wife, it's a whole other story. Any biographer should keep that in mind when quoting third parties about relationships.

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Reply #13 posted 09/09/20 1:05pm

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Fuck sake confused

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Reply #14 posted 09/09/20 1:08pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

purplethunder3121 said:

rolleyes

Seriously what is it with some people. Think I'm gonna start some positive threads on the main forum, it's getting more and more depressing. To the OP, what do you mean with lucky? Do you truly believe that there's not one woman who would've come forward or something? Also, how can you say that he's lucky? The man died of an OD four years ago. If that's what you call lucky..... Well then. confused

Problem with that is, it would soon turn into something negative from some orgers.

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Reply #15 posted 09/09/20 1:13pm

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jeez, obv im not saying im glad prince died, or that hes dead, im just saying was he fortunate to not have to undergo any of that kind of scrutiny.

sure, he might have have a largely clean record, glad that seems to be the case, but as we all know, one mistake or nasty act, and people forget a mainly clean record (and you can argue about that quite easily). it doesnt take much these days.

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Reply #17 posted 09/09/20 1:45pm

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Mm, well iirc some have already tried to come for him posthumously in the name of say Mayte and Anna. Which both have rejected.

But it seems to me the ones who were taken down, already had years of rumors circulating about their behavior. I don't think there are rumors like that about P to begin with. Sure there's other people's opinions about openly know facts in his romantic life. Nothing speculative.?? Maybe there would have been a posse behind Sinead, that's possible.
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Reply #18 posted 09/10/20 5:19am

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databank said:

I think by now if any woman had anything to say against Prince, she'd have said it. Except for Sinead's dubious allegations, no one ever accused him of any form of sexual or physical abuse. I haven't heard anything about Bowie either. Truth be told and as shocking as it may sound for the average blue collar, it appears that not all celebrities are abusive bastards who have their fun commiting illegal acts. As said above, Prince could be a hell of a dick at times, but it's important to remember there's a line between breaking the law and being a dick. I don't think P would have suffered much in the whole #metoo thing. If nothing else, he managed to be perceived as a gentleman and a feminist icon overall.

.

As for Mayte, it's quite interesting to compare the way tabloids and, later on, Alex Hahn made it all sound in his book to the way she describes the events in hers. I don't see what could possibly be "legally suspect" in the events she describes.

[Edited 9/9/20 12:09pm]

not true...besides Sinead OConnor, a woman named Charlotte Friend who was a friend of Duane, and claimed to be Prince's ex girlfriend made all kind of claims saying P was a coke head and locked her and other women in cages and dungeons... not saying it did or didnt happen, but lets not act like no one ever accused P of any shenanigans

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Reply #19 posted 09/10/20 6:01am

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databank said:

I haven't heard anything about Bowie either.


I have some bad news fr you on that front.

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Reply #20 posted 09/10/20 6:05am

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herb4 said:

databank said:

I haven't heard anything about Bowie either.


I have some bad news fr you on that front.

lol lol lol oh man


Prince stayed within the law as far as anyone knows. If you want to judge him morally that's on you, I made my peace with his massive age and power-gap relationships years ago. It was what it was.

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Reply #21 posted 09/10/20 7:06am

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databank said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


databank said:

I think by now if any woman had anything to say against Prince, she'd have said it. Except for Sinead's dubious allegations, no one ever accused him of any form of sexual or physical abuse. I haven't heard anything about Bowie either. Truth be told and as shocking as it may sound for the average blue collar, it appears that not all celebrities are abusive bastards who have their fun commiting illegal acts. As said above, Prince could be a hell of a dick at times, but it's important to remember there's a line between breaking the law and being a dick. I don't think P would have suffered much in the whole #metoo thing. If nothing else, he managed to be perceived as a gentleman and a feminist icon overall.


.


As for Mayte, it's quite interesting to compare the way tabloids and, later on, Alex Hahn made it all sound in his book to the way she describes the events in hers. I don't see what could possibly be "legally suspect" in the events she describes.


[Edited 9/9/20 12:09pm]



yeahthat did alex ask associates about him and maytes relationship or did he just take things from tabloids?

With all due respect for Alex, with whom I have no beef, and whose books I enjoyed to the extent that they revealed certain facts that weren't known to the community before, with the first book he had a hidden agenda (to take revenge for the shit P gave to Uptown mag) and a premise that made his work subject to every conceivable bias (he had to live-up to his book's title, i.e. there was indeed a "fall", and the whole narrative depending on proving it). Now, IIRC (I read Possessed 15 years ago) Alex interviewed some people about the whole Mayte situation, I don't think he just took the tabloids into account.


.


Now that's the thing, these aspects of someone's biography are always the trickiest. Just imagine someone would ask your friends or colleagues, years after the fact, about your relationship with some ex. How much of their narrative would you find accurate or fair? How much of it would your ex find accurate or fair? Hell, even if you ask the 2 people involved themselves!! I just had an email exchange with an ex from 15-12 years ago lately and, wow, I realized that while sometimes we did, we didn't always remember the story and the facts the same way.


.


You could tell then that it's true for everything else, except there is a level of intimacy and isolation in a couple's relationship that you don't usually have in a work context. Somehow, whatever P's associates/employees will tell you about recording sessions or rehearsals can more or less be corroborated or denied by other parties. Not every little fact because sometimes no one else was in the room, but the general situation or atmosphere. Now when it comes to what the hell happened in the intimacy of P's bedroom, of his daily life with his wife, it's a whole other story. Any biographer should keep that in mind when quoting third parties about relationships.

[Edited 9/9/20 13:03pm]


Thanks for the detailed response. It's kinda odd that he'd talk to associates but not to mayte about it lol
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Reply #22 posted 09/10/20 7:07am

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IAdoreWeronika said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


purplethunder3121 said:

rolleyes



Seriously what is it with some people. Think I'm gonna start some positive threads on the main forum, it's getting more and more depressing. To the OP, what do you mean with lucky? Do you truly believe that there's not one woman who would've come forward or something? Also, how can you say that he's lucky? The man died of an OD four years ago. If that's what you call lucky..... Well then. confused

Problem with that is, it would soon turn into something negative from some orgers.


True, but it's worth a shot
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Reply #23 posted 09/10/20 7:10am

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RJOrion said:



databank said:


I think by now if any woman had anything to say against Prince, she'd have said it. Except for Sinead's dubious allegations, no one ever accused him of any form of sexual or physical abuse. I haven't heard anything about Bowie either. Truth be told and as shocking as it may sound for the average blue collar, it appears that not all celebrities are abusive bastards who have their fun commiting illegal acts. As said above, Prince could be a hell of a dick at times, but it's important to remember there's a line between breaking the law and being a dick. I don't think P would have suffered much in the whole #metoo thing. If nothing else, he managed to be perceived as a gentleman and a feminist icon overall.


.


As for Mayte, it's quite interesting to compare the way tabloids and, later on, Alex Hahn made it all sound in his book to the way she describes the events in hers. I don't see what could possibly be "legally suspect" in the events she describes.


[Edited 9/9/20 12:09pm]





not true...besides Sinead OConnor, a woman named Charlotte Friend who was a friend of Duane, and claimed to be Prince's ex girlfriend made all kind of claims saying P was a coke head and locked her and other women in cages and dungeons... not saying it did or didnt happen, but lets not act like no one ever accused P of any shenanigans


With all due respect, but that's some pretty serious allegations and the only thing that came up when I Googled it was a sun UK article from 4 years ago and when I used the search bar at the forum, a thread from 2003 in which it was stated that her case was thrown out of court. Also, she had something up for sale too. So all in all, it lead to nowhere.
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Reply #24 posted 09/10/20 7:18am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

RJOrion said:

not true...besides Sinead OConnor, a woman named Charlotte Friend who was a friend of Duane, and claimed to be Prince's ex girlfriend made all kind of claims saying P was a coke head and locked her and other women in cages and dungeons... not saying it did or didnt happen, but lets not act like no one ever accused P of any shenanigans

With all due respect, but that's some pretty serious allegations and the only thing that came up when I Googled it was a sun UK article from 4 years ago and when I used the search bar at the forum, a thread from 2003 in which it was stated that her case was thrown out of court. Also, she had something up for sale too. So all in all, it lead to nowhere.

yeah im in no position to validate or invalidate her claims, im merely responding to the false premise that Prince never had any bad press that couldve targeted him in the so called "me too" movement...

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Reply #25 posted 09/11/20 7:59am

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There was a woman who tried to tie him to metoo (which for the record is a legit and good thing overall-just like black folks shouldnt be murdered, women should not be raped or harrassed) over his relationships with young women like Mayte and Anna Fantastic and she got run off the internet by I believe Anna herself. It was a ridiculous article.

(And also for the record, I believe there is some truth to the Sinead story)

[Edited 9/11/20 8:00am]

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emesem said:

There was a woman who tried to tie him to metoo (which for the record is a legit and good thing overall-just like black folks shouldnt be murdered, women should not be raped or harrassed) over his relationships with young women like Mayte and Anna Fantastic and she got run off the internet by I believe Anna herself. It was a ridiculous article.



(And also for the record, I believe there is some truth to the Sinead story)

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Yeah it was last year. She claimed on Twitter to know both prince and mayte and said mayte is 3 years younger than her and said that she met prince and mayte te when she was 17 years old. Which would've made mayte 14. I think her aricle got pulled from her publisher after she got her ass handed by anna garcia.
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Reply #27 posted 09/11/20 4:00pm

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emesem said:

There was a woman who tried to tie him to metoo (which for the record is a legit and good thing overall-just like black folks shouldnt be murdered, women should not be raped or harrassed) over his relationships with young women like Mayte and Anna Fantastic and she got run off the internet by I believe Anna herself. It was a ridiculous article.



(And also for the record, I believe there is some truth to the Sinead story)

[Edited 9/11/20 8:00am]



That's correct. I'm still friends with Anna after interviewing her at her house and I sent her the link on WhatsApp.

Ridiculous article - all the author had to do was watch our interview in the first place to get the real story.
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Reply #28 posted 09/11/20 5:29pm

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Yes he was fortunate to not have to live through #metoo nonsense, the Trump presidency, the pandemic, or the BLM mass hysteria and group psychosis. He was spared all of that, due to his untimely demise.

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VaultCurator said:

No, because he died, alone, and probably in agony. There was nothing lucky about it.

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Actually, opiate overdoses aren't usually painful at all. Google it if you want the truth, rather than your sick fantasies.

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