Thank you. The dude had feelings and a side too. People say "well, he wasn't God."...exactly. He wasn't the devil either. Gods have omnipresense, never get in over their heads, always know what is going on, control the world around them, and lack vulnerabilities or the frailty to be used or manipulated. Prince, seeing as he wasn't a God, maybe shouldn't be expected to act like one or have those particular qualities.

kingricefan said:

Shannon319 said:

Really? Because I have been reading this site for years. There are days when the threads are 80 percent negative. Unless people are talking about the 1980's, but even then he is described as a sex-obsessed savant either cracking the Time's heads or being led by the hands of Wendy and Lisa.

I know for a fact from someone on the inside that he used to read this site and mostly what he read was negative and it did bug him. Calling him an asshole, saying he deserved to have his ass kicked, saying he had cocaine paranoia...don't sound like love to me. Pointing out when he is being a prick is natural but wouldn't it better to spend a bit more time on when he wasn't one and then try to understand where he might have been coming from when he was. This is a fansite not a site for Prince scholars and social critics. Leave that to the critics.

The comment section (except under certain videos obviously) on youtube is kinder to him than many of you guys are. I am not saying you don't love him. This is a public forum that new fans might read...and this site has turned off a lot of fans because people here are so weary about coming off like stans or psychophants that they instead come off disgrunted and like haters.

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I feel you, Shannon. There are times when I'm actually glad that Prince can't read what has been written on here. I used to keep track of how many posts it would take before a negative one was posted on a new thread. Usually it would happen within the first three to four. Not a good way to show the love. Now I just skim through the threads and skip the ones that are negative. Who wants to waste time with that sh*t? There's too much hate in the world as it is and I don't want anymore in my life. Prince had his faults but I would like to focus on the positive things that he did while he was alive.

Shannon319 said:

Thank you. The dude had feelings and a side too. People say "well, he wasn't God."...exactly. He wasn't the devil either. Gods have omnipresense, never get in over their heads, always know what is going on, control the world around them, and lack vulnerabilities or the frailty to be used or manipulated. Prince, seeing as he wasn't a God, maybe shouldn't be expected to act like one or have those particular qualities.

kingricefan said:

I feel you, Shannon. There are times when I'm actually glad that Prince can't read what has been written on here. I used to keep track of how many posts it would take before a negative one was posted on a new thread. Usually it would happen within the first three to four. Not a good way to show the love. Now I just skim through the threads and skip the ones that are negative. Who wants to waste time with that sh*t? There's too much hate in the world as it is and I don't want anymore in my life. Prince had his faults but I would like to focus on the positive things that he did while he was alive.

so what does ANY of your self-rghteousness have to do with "making love like its surgery"?... nothing... so keep it movin and save the sermon for sundays

TheEnglishGent said:

I alwyas assumed it meant with precision and expertise. Knowing precisely the moves to make to fully satisfy each other.

Agreed. Prince is comparing her love making as very precise and accurate in terms of knowing how to satisfy him and make him climax. Similar to a successful surgical procedure.

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If we go with the many accounts about Prince writing and recording songs based on what was happening in his life at that moment in time then this song is most likely about Kim Basinger. She had moved to MN, I believe in the Spring of '89, and they were hot and heavy through that Summer until the end of that year. Prince first recorded the track in the Summer-Fall of '89 according to princevault.com.

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Interestingly, The Arms Of Orion was recorded January '89, so before Prince started a relationship with Kim Basinger.

violetcrush said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I alwyas assumed it meant with precision and expertise. Knowing precisely the moves to make to fully satisfy each other.

Agreed. Prince is comparing her love making as very precise and accurate in terms of knowing how to satisfy him and make him climax. Similar to a successful surgical procedure.

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If we go with the many accounts about Prince writing and recording songs based on what was happening in his life at that moment in time then this song is most likely about Kim Basinger. She had moved to MN, I believe in the Spring of '89, and they were hot and heavy through that Summer until the end of that year. Prince first recorded the track in the Summer-Fall of '89 according to princevault.com.

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Interestingly, The Arms Of Orion was recorded January '89, so before Prince started a relationship with Kim Basinger.

So?

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Agreed. Prince is comparing her love making as very precise and accurate in terms of knowing how to satisfy him and make him climax. Similar to a successful surgical procedure.

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If we go with the many accounts about Prince writing and recording songs based on what was happening in his life at that moment in time then this song is most likely about Kim Basinger. She had moved to MN, I believe in the Spring of '89, and they were hot and heavy through that Summer until the end of that year. Prince first recorded the track in the Summer-Fall of '89 according to princevault.com.

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Interestingly, The Arms Of Orion was recorded January '89, so before Prince started a relationship with Kim Basinger.

So?

???? So....what?? I was commenting on the meaning of the lyrics and who I think inspired the song, and why. I also mentioned TAOO, because it's interesting that it was recorded long before ILYIM.

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And????

violetcrush said:

invasive (intimate) and ultimately healing

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

???? So....what?? I was commenting on the meaning of the lyrics and who I think inspired the song, and why. I also mentioned TAOO, because it's interesting that it was recorded long before ILYIM.

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And????

I really really hope this trend does not continue where everything is seen through the lens of speculation around his bedroom. The question was about the lyric not about who you think he wrote it about. We have a thread for that already with the podcasts.

Perhaps you need to review the OP's post:

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"when we making love it's like surgery"

LoveGalore - I think I see "Moderator" in your future here. Perhaps you can see if the Org is looking for another

Thanks for your ever so positive input. By the way, it WAS Sunday in Australia when Shannon and I posted. Your post is a perfect example of the toxicity that exists here. Carry on.

RJOrion said:

Shannon319 said:

Thank you. The dude had feelings and a side too. People say "well, he wasn't God."...exactly. He wasn't the devil either. Gods have omnipresense, never get in over their heads, always know what is going on, control the world around them, and lack vulnerabilities or the frailty to be used or manipulated. Prince, seeing as he wasn't a God, maybe shouldn't be expected to act like one or have those particular qualities.

so what does ANY of your self-rghteousness have to do with "making love like its surgery"?... nothing... so keep it movin and save the sermon for sundays

kingricefan said:

reading some of this thread is like surgery

BRAIN SURGERY

brain surgery gone wrong because the posts are so obnoxious!!!

(this joke was a reach, but i went for it anyway)

lustmealways said:

reading some of this thread is like surgery

BRAIN SURGERY

brain surgery gone wrong because the posts are so obnoxious!!!

(this joke was a reach, but i went for it anyway)

this thread is classic org

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Guys this was meant to be a light hearted thread. I always liked I love u in me but it was hearing it in the 2016 tour that made me see I had forgotten this line. I still think surgical sex sounds a bit funny but I guess it could be just very precise.

This was our tune for our first dance at our wedding - what were we thinking

mattj said:

Shockedelicus said:

Why Arms of Orion made it onto Batman instead of this track will always elude me. It's such a better ballad.

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Oh, I prefer Arms Of Orion.

It's my guilty pleasure.

Love the melody.

Lyrics are cheesy.

I know.

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And, 'I Love U In Me' = a fine tune too.

I mad a Batman album configuration with 'I Love U In Me'

replacing 'Arms Of Orion', and it didn't work that well for me.

But, I Added 'I Love U In Me' as the last track, and that works somhow better.

Whatever...

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Guys this was meant to be a light hearted thread. I always liked I love u in me but it was hearing it in the 2016 tour that made me see I had forgotten this line. I still think surgical sex sounds a bit funny but I guess it could be just very precise.

Right on funkbabyandthebabysitters!!!

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I love these type of threads! If any thread topic should be kept light and fun, it's those that discuss Prince's lyrics such as these Folks need to lighten the heck up!!

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Prince covered sex (lots of it!), love, religion, race, economics and more in his lyrics. ALL are fair game with which to dissect, discuss, and have fun.

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SimonCharles said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I alwyas assumed it meant with precision and expertise. Knowing precisely the moves to make to fully satisfy each other.

With masks and scrubs, obv.

...hopefully not with anesthetic though. Not sure about the statute of limitations on that one...

ThirdStrike said:

SimonCharles said:

With masks and scrubs, obv.

...hopefully not with anesthetic though. Not sure about the statute of limitations on that one...

Right!! MIght be hard to "finish" with the use of an anesthetic

violetcrush said:

RJOrion said:

violetcrush said:

Right!! MIght be hard to "finish" with the use of an anesthetic

in fact, it might be even harder to get "it" started.

TheEnglishGent said:

I alwyas assumed it meant with precision and expertise. Knowing precisely the moves to make to fully satisfy each other.

Always thought it's a great line. Like all good poetry it carries a paradox. "Surgery" evokes flesh and blood in a way that isn't sexual -and carries images that are disturbing to most people- yet flesh and blood are also traditionally part of sexual imagery. And of course there's the explicit meaning which is what TheEnglishGent says. Cool line

Shannon319 said:

RJOrion said:

Shannon319 said: we love him too Shannon, and there is plenty of fawning and idolatry for Prince from all of us to balance it out.. we praise his music, style, vision, talent and persona...but he was a human being...not above reproach, and just sometimes his life and antics are/were the source of much humor... surely, no meaningful disrespect intended

Really? Because I have been reading this site for years. There are days when the threads are 80 percent negative. Unless people are talking about the 1980's, but even then he is described as a sex-obsessed savant either cracking the Time's heads or being led by the hands of Wendy and Lisa.

I know for a fact from someone on the inside that he used to read this site and mostly what he read was negative and it did bug him. Calling him an asshole, saying he deserved to have his ass kicked, saying he had cocaine paranoia...don't sound like love to me. Pointing out when he is being a prick is natural but wouldn't it better to spend a bit more time on when he wasn't one and then try to understand where he might have been coming from when he was. This is a fansite not a site for Prince scholars and social critics. Leave that to the critics.

The comment section (except under certain videos obviously) on youtube is kinder to him than many of you guys are. I am not saying you don't love him. This is a public forum that new fans might read...and this site has turned off a lot of fans because people here are so weary about coming off like stans or psychophants that they instead come off disgrunted and like haters.

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I must agree, and God knows I fought these weekly "Prince is over and done" and other BS threads back when he was alive. Thing is, constructive criticism is one thing, but the whining was usually dull and irrelevant (like, you'd really wonder if these people ever liked P's music in the first place - I mean, c'mon: "Prince needs to take drums lessons"? I often quote this one because it was among the dumbest and most dishonest thing I've read here, bashing for the sake of bashing, but there were many others).

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More shocking is how insensitive people can get sometimes. One could indeed assume that Prince and his associates would occasionally come here, it is after all the #1 Prince community on the whole Internet. Yet, Prince and everyone he ever worked with got trashed year after year (I don't think many Prince bandmates or associates were spared insults and defamation), as if the people who wrote all this BS about people they've never even met (and that includes Prince) didn't care a bit how these people would feel being trashed publicly like that. Just imagine, you're going on a message board about whatever profession is yours, and you get insulted by people you don't even know. Well, I guess it happens on Yelp and all but regardless, it's a pity because few Prince associates ever came here to interact with the community, and the few who did, didn't for long. And what would you expect when you see the amount of idiotic things and disrepect on display here?

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This place could have been a great forum for the fans to interact with P's camp. Instead, it became a circus. The craziest part about this is, I never understood why dozens and dozens of people who clearly were not fans anymore would keep coming on this site and trash Prince, as if he'd done something really bad to them personally, as if they couldn't just move on and, IDK, listen to other artists?

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Now there are also many nice and informative people here, and we often end-up having fascinating discussions. But so much BS could have been avoided.

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Oh, and BTW, there should be a rule banning these "make Emancipation a single CD" threads, because one has been popping up about every month for the last 20 years (that's a lot of threads!), and it's, well, boring to death.