SantanaMaitreya said:

Marc Mann (Jeff Lynne's guitar player) thought he was going to show the world what it means to be a true instrumentalist at the 2004 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Awards with his mastery of Eric Clapton's solo from My Guiitar Gently Weeps. How could Prince compete with that?

We all know how that turned out...

thebanishedone said:

lurker316 said:

daingermouz2020 said:

misiu said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

"musically speaking When Doves Cry is boring"


interesting take.

jaawwnn said:

"musically speaking When Doves Cry is boring"


interesting take.

only at the org, would someone fix their fonts to say WDC is "boring"

jaawwnn said:

"musically speaking When Doves Cry is boring"


interesting take.

i dont think it weas meant as a critic.i think what fellow orger wanted to say that

its sparse ,lot of space,not too many things going on

RJOrion said:

misiu said:

RJOrion said:

only at the org, would someone fix their fonts to say WDC is "boring"

Is it exiting to u as say little red corvette?Did u ever try to Play it with a band? where is the challenge? HAHAHA, almost the whole band can go for a walk. Theis almost nothing to play... I love that song, the idea/creation is great, but lets be real, musicallyits a big loop

WAY more exciting than LRC...melodic or rhythmic complexity doesnt always equate to a better or more "exciting" song... sometimes simple songs that keep a steady groove and melody, that has a kick ass pocket, is just as funky and exciting as anything else ...if not moreso...WDC and Letitgo are perfect examples of that... the only thing 'exciting' about LRC is Dez's solo

RJOrion said:

misiu said:

RJOrion said:

misiu said:

RJOrion said:

only at the org, would someone fix their fonts to say WDC is "boring"

Is it exiting to u as say little red corvette?Did u ever try to Play it with a band? where is the challenge? HAHAHA, almost the whole band can go for a walk. Theis almost nothing to play... I love that song, the idea/creation is great, but lets be real, musicallyits a big loop

WAY more exciting than LRC...melodic or rhythmic complexity doesnt always equate to a better or more "exciting" song... sometimes simple songs that keep a steady groove and melody, that has a kick ass pocket, is just as funky and exciting as anything else ...if not moreso...WDC and Letitgo are perfect examples of that... the only thing 'exciting' about LRC is Dez's solo

...a loop that runs for 5 minutes (just drums and some little synths) doesnt bore u... and the song goes almost nowhere...okay.

Still - musically boring. Not much going on. But the whole creation is still great as a song. Are now Satisfied?
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[Edited 9/10/20 13:21pm]

RJOrion said:

misiu said:

RJOrion said: Is it exiting to u as say little red corvette?Did u ever try to Play it with a band? where is the challenge? HAHAHA, almost the whole band can go for a walk. Theis almost nothing to play... I love that song, the idea/creation is great, but lets be real, musicallyits a big loop

WAY more exciting than LRC...melodic or rhythmic complexity doesnt always equate to a better or more "exciting" song... sometimes simple songs that keep a steady groove and melody, that has a kick ass pocket, is just as funky and exciting as anything else ...if not moreso...WDC and Letitgo are perfect examples of that... the only thing 'exciting' about LRC is Dez's solo

I agree its a more exciting song than LRC .And its not true that a band would not have

what to play on When Doves Cry.

First that intro is hard to pick up by ear because Prince plays all kind of crazy stuff

but i did see people on youtube who played the same like Prince but its very rare .

Oberhaim string line at the end is very fast and precise and it will be a challenge for a lot of

keyboard players to do it the right way.

Im not sure if Prince maybe recorded that part at a slower tempo and than speed the recording.

LRC is a more conventional pop rock song but i think it would be interesting for any band to play

not because of instrumental virtuosity but because of great arrangment ,way everything builds up in a song.

Maybe Prince songs are not that hard to play or they are simple as separate elements but to replicate the song to sound like original is not easy at all.

daingermouz2020 said:

misiu said:

RJOrion said:

misiu said:

RJOrion said:

only at the org, would someone fix their fonts to say WDC is "boring"

Is it exiting to u as say little red corvette?Did u ever try to Play it with a band? where is the challenge? HAHAHA, almost the whole band can go for a walk. Theis almost nothing to play... I love that song, the idea/creation is great, but lets be real, musicallyits a big loop

WAY more exciting than LRC...melodic or rhythmic complexity doesnt always equate to a better or more "exciting" song... sometimes simple songs that keep a steady groove and melody, that has a kick ass pocket, is just as funky and exciting as anything else ...if not moreso...WDC and Letitgo are perfect examples of that... the only thing 'exciting' about LRC is Dez's solo

...a loop that runs for 5 minutes (just drums and some little synths) doesnt bore u... and the song goes almost nowhere...okay.

Still - musically boring. Not much going on. But the whole creation is still great as a song. Are now Satisfied?
[Edited 9/10/20 13:19pm]

[Edited 9/10/20 13:21pm]

misiu said:

RJOrion said:

only at the org, would someone fix their fonts to say WDC is "boring"

Is it exiting to u as say little red corvette?Did u ever try to Play it with a band? where is the challenge? HAHAHA, almost the whole band can go for a walk. Theis almost nothing to play... I love that song, the idea/creation is great, but lets be real, musicallyits a big loop What carries the the song are the voices..maybe thats why he rarely played it live..because there is lot of space to fill (musically) [Edited 9/10/20 13:06pm] [Edited 9/10/20 13:07pm]

Would I be right in saying that in any band you've been in you're the guy who insists on soloing all the way through every tracK? How else would someone know you're a musician if you're not playing at 100% at all times, right?

Everyone loves that guy.

[Edited 9/11/20 1:13am]

jaawwnn said:

misiu said:

RJOrion said: Is it exiting to u as say little red corvette?Did u ever try to Play it with a band? where is the challenge? HAHAHA, almost the whole band can go for a walk. Theis almost nothing to play... I love that song, the idea/creation is great, but lets be real, musicallyits a big loop What carries the the song are the voices..maybe thats why he rarely played it live..because there is lot of space to fill (musically) [Edited 9/10/20 13:06pm] [Edited 9/10/20 13:07pm]

Would I be right in saying that in any band you've been in you're the guy who insists on soloing all the way through every tracK? How else would someone know you're a musician if you're not playing at 100% at all times, right?

Everyone loves that guy.

[Edited 9/11/20 1:13am]

jaawwn what u wrote is very funny but i dont think you understood RJorion .

What RJOrion meant is that not too much is going on on LRC except the solo

in terms of craftmenship .But there is a lots of things going on in the arrangement .

LRC is a very good song but its very standard compared to WDC.

But on the other hand Little Red Corvette is one of the first rock songs

feauturing a drum machine so maybe the importance of LRC is underrated compared to hoewWDC is seen

lurker316 said:

Marc Mann (Jeff Lynne's guitar player) thought he was going to show the world what it means to be a true instrumentalist at the 2004 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Awards with his mastery of Eric Clapton's solo from My Guiitar Gently Weeps. How could Prince compete with that?

We all know how that turned out...

I dont think Marc Mann had those intentions,but one thing is certain.nobody at the stage knew what Prince is going to play because during the rehearsal Michael was cutting

on Prince by playing second solo during the rehearsal.

The organiser was pissed and he thought Prince would be upset but Prince was like

dont worry let him do his thing and i will play at the end.

What Prince did at the end is nothing special in terms of what

he can do on guitar * check Whole Lotta Love indigo nights* but it was special in terms of vibe and energy ,you know those special moments that make palm of your hand sweat .

thebanishedone said:

jaawwnn said:

Would I be right in saying that in any band you've been in you're the guy who insists on soloing all the way through every tracK? How else would someone know you're a musician if you're not playing at 100% at all times, right?

Everyone loves that guy.

[Edited 9/11/20 1:13am]

jaawwn what u wrote is very funny but i dont think you understood RJorion .

What RJOrion meant is that not too much is going on on LRC except the solo

in terms of craftmenship .But there is a lots of things going on in the arrangement .

LRC is a very good song but its very standard compared to WDC.

But on the other hand Little Red Corvette is one of the first rock songs

feauturing a drum machine so maybe the importance of LRC is underrated compared to hoewWDC is seen

It was Misiu not RJorion but anyway,

"not too much going on in terms of craftmenship" - come on man, there's a lot going on. Without master craftsmanship that song could be a busy mess, everything that's going on is happening in the decision making process rather than in your face playing.

jaawwnn said:

thebanishedone said:

jaawwn what u wrote is very funny but i dont think you understood RJorion .

What RJOrion meant is that not too much is going on on LRC except the solo

in terms of craftmenship .But there is a lots of things going on in the arrangement .

LRC is a very good song but its very standard compared to WDC.

But on the other hand Little Red Corvette is one of the first rock songs

feauturing a drum machine so maybe the importance of LRC is underrated compared to hoewWDC is seen

It was Misiu not RJorion but anyway,

"not too much going on in terms of craftmenship" - come on man, there's a lot going on. Without master craftsmanship that song could be a busy mess, everything that's going on is happening in the decision making process rather than in your face playing.

what i meant was not too much going in terms of actual playing but read the other stuff i wrote.

i give praise to arrangement and innovation in terms of being one of the first songs in rock to use drum machine

thebanishedone said:

jaawwnn said:

It was Misiu not RJorion but anyway,

"not too much going on in terms of craftmenship" - come on man, there's a lot going on. Without master craftsmanship that song could be a busy mess, everything that's going on is happening in the decision making process rather than in your face playing.

what i meant was not too much going in terms of actual playing but read the other stuff i wrote.

i give praise to arrangement and innovation in terms of being one of the first songs in rock to use drum machine

I've read the other posts, perhaps we have slightly different definitions of "craftsmanship" which are leading to a misunderstanding. I already gave my opinion on the issue in general in post 34.

thebanishedone said:

jaawwnn said:

masaba said:

misiu said:

...a loop that runs for 5 minutes (just drums and some little synths) doesnt bore u... and the song goes almost nowhere...okay.

Still - musically boring. Not much going on. But the whole creation is still great as a song. Are now Satisfied?
[Edited 9/10/20 13:19pm]

[Edited 9/10/20 13:21pm]

try and make a good song with that much space. You won't be able to you.