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Thread started 09/02/20 5:48am

thebanishedone

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Do you think Prince would have stop censoring himself if he was still alive?

There is a 2004 interview with Prince during the Musicology promo period and an interviewer

asked Prince is there a chance we will hear Dirty Mind and Erotic City

again live?

So visually distracted Prince said that he have responsibility

regarding new kids coming to his shows and if you want to hear those songs

you have records.

But Prince did start performing Dirty Mind in 2016

He did sing uncensored versions of 1000s and 0s and Girls And Boys in 2016.

You know i really believe that the only reason Princestop using profanity is only because of Larry Graham.

Larry used to leave in the middle of Prince doing Face Down

live and did criticize Prince

for swearing

which is bs in my opinion because Larry was an opening act and he knew who was Prince.

Prince started censor himself in 1998 which was notable on songs like Days Of Wild.

But there was a Paisley Park performance in may of 1998 i think and Larry

was out of town and Prince did do a full cuss infused original Days Of Wild .

So he did it when Larry wasnt present.

Prince was about freedom but was he free doing what he would hated if WB was doing? Censorship.

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Reply #1 posted 09/02/20 7:32am

SPYZFAN1

Not sure about the aftershows or private gigs, but he had a lot families and young children coming to see him in concert. I think he would have stayed profanity free for the big concerts.

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Reply #2 posted 09/02/20 9:14am

thebanishedone

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Not sure about the aftershows or private gigs, but he had a lot families and young children coming to see him in concert. I think he would have stayed profanity free for the big concerts.

But he always had under age audiance attending .you think it was a commercial move not to swear?
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Reply #3 posted 09/02/20 9:26am

tab32792

This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol
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Reply #4 posted 09/02/20 9:32am

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tab32792 said:

This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol


Because he was the best who ever did it?

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Reply #5 posted 09/02/20 9:44am

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He did a lot of about faces and he was letting his guard down, and apparently even changing his approach to religion to some degree we'll never fully know.

I think he would have reached a point where he still used the curse jar, but would know there was sometimes you just had to say some bad words.

Plus you don't play part of Darling Nikki if you're ashamed, or play the song and let the audience fill in the curse words themselves if you really don't approve of cursing.

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Reply #6 posted 09/02/20 11:56am

RJOrion

tab32792 said:

This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol

because in this world ALOT of people seem to be "entertained" by black men exhibiting inappropriate behavior, while the so-called "fans" and media, mock, laugh and ridicule the artist, while promoting and buying the product and negatively influencing the impressionable peoples of the world...its been going on in entertainment (movies and music) since they let "US" in the game

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Reply #7 posted 09/02/20 12:13pm

ForceofNature

I think that it isn't neccesarily that people would want him to curse for the sake of cursing, but a lot of the modified lyrics just never had the impact from a lyrical standpoint such as the OG versions, and cursing can sometimes be impactful based on placement and emphasis that worked well for a lot of Prince tunes (Rebirth of the Flesh, Erotic City, Days of Wild, etc.).
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Reply #8 posted 09/02/20 12:16pm

LoveGalore

You only really notice it on old songs because he tended to fill in the spaces with goofy shit. Or when he'd write lyrics like "kick/shake your pants" which I think he did to trigger folks who cared that much.

Lotus flower is a perfect album and it has no swearing. HnR2 was great. Swearing didn't make his music better. But it would've been nice had he found a more interesting way around those things than teasing - though I also appreciate his sense of humor.
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Reply #9 posted 09/02/20 12:50pm

TrivialPursuit

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tab32792 said:

This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol


Let's not try to be deep here. This ain't some White person arguing to use the N-word, and you say, "But why would you want to use it?" This is about Prince cussin'.

I used to say I just wanted to hear Prince say "fuck" again. Why? Because he was just so good at it. He knew when to add a cuss word. He went overboard censoring himself. Can't even say damn? You know damn well he was yellin' "FUCK BABY, RIDE IT!" when he was fuckin' whoever. So pffft on that. Even Sheila E sang "we have funk until the dawn" in "Erotic City." Why couldn't he do that live post-JW? So much of his catalog was missed in concert because of his silliness with it.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #10 posted 09/02/20 12:52pm

TrivialPursuit

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LoveGalore said:

You only really notice it on old songs because he tended to fill in the spaces with goofy shit. Or when he'd write lyrics like "kick/shake your pants" ... Swearing didn't make his music better. But it would've been nice had he found a more interesting way around those things than teasing - though I also appreciate his sense of humor.


When he started fucking around with "DMSR" or "Housequake," I was done ever trying to hear him sing them live again. Let me go back to whatever tour and listen to it. It was embarrassing listening to him sing those songs on TV shows or whatever.

Swearing didn't make his music better, but it kept it honest and raw. And that's what we appreciated about Prince.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #11 posted 09/02/20 2:33pm

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Censoring himself was actually the least of his issues in later years

Plus, you know , prince had plenty of songs without explicit lyrics or sexual themes too.obv that was a big part of his music, but he has enough songs to perform that weren't about that.

Also, it depends on how much you want a 60 year old to be singing about that stuff.

Anyways plenty of others have done what prince did. Little Richard, al green ,etc
[Edited 9/2/20 14:36pm]
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Reply #12 posted 09/02/20 2:56pm

LoveGalore

TrivialPursuit said:



LoveGalore said:


You only really notice it on old songs because he tended to fill in the spaces with goofy shit. Or when he'd write lyrics like "kick/shake your pants" ... Swearing didn't make his music better. But it would've been nice had he found a more interesting way around those things than teasing - though I also appreciate his sense of humor.


When he started fucking around with "DMSR" or "Housequake," I was done ever trying to hear him sing them live again. Let me go back to whatever tour and listen to it. It was embarrassing listening to him sing those songs on TV shows or whatever.

Swearing didn't make his music better, but it kept it honest and raw. And that's what we appreciated about Prince.



His quote about pushing things to the edge and then there's nowhere else to go comes to mind. I think by the time Days Of Wild rolled around (with Face Down soon after) it's like alright bruv, we get it, you use naughty language.

Listening back to DoW now sometimes makes me cringe cuz its just soooo much fuck this, fuck that and it feels weird. I think he did swearing much better prior to the influence of rap where he somehow felt like he had to present a certain image when rapping to be taken seriously (if serious is how he wanted to be taken in those moments).

LPWM is a great example of a song that really zings when you hear that one line and it would ruin the experience to either not hear it (now) or have it sung "I wanna kiss the taste out your mouth" or something. My point is that I definitely agree that he had extremely effective moments with swearing, but that it also kinda got tacky at the end.

I wish he put more thought behind how to artistically express this change in thinking.
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Reply #13 posted 09/02/20 3:04pm

RJOrion

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Censoring himself was actually the least of his issues in later years

Plus, you know , prince had plenty of songs without explicit lyrics or sexual themes too.obv that was a big part of his music, but he has enough songs to perform that weren't about that.

Also, it depends on how much you want a 60 year old to be singing about that stuff.

Anyways plenty of others have done what prince did. Little Richard, al green ,etc
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word... and what 50 year old man still does the frivolous things, or has the same belief system he did in his 20s or even early 30s?...only a foolish, immature one... kudos forever to Prince for acknowledging and sharing his growth and evolution with his fans and employees... only for many of BOTH groups to turn their backs on him, and badmouth his choices
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Reply #14 posted 09/02/20 3:41pm

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RJOrion said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
Censoring himself was actually the least of his issues in later years Plus, you know , prince had plenty of songs without explicit lyrics or sexual themes too.obv that was a big part of his music, but he has enough songs to perform that weren't about that. Also, it depends on how much you want a 60 year old to be singing about that stuff. Anyways plenty of others have done what prince did. Little Richard, al green ,etc [Edited 9/2/20 14:36pm]
word... and what 50 year old man still does the frivolous things, or has the same belief system he did in his 20s or even early 30s?...only a foolish, immature one... kudos forever to Prince for acknowledging and sharing his growth and evolution with his fans and employees... only for many of BOTH groups to turn their backs on him, and badmouth his choices

Yeah but in 2016 he sang a song about laying down a girl in his daddys car.

I didnt want him to use profanity just for the sake of doing it but if there was a foundation for that why not? its better than what the duck biggrin

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Reply #15 posted 09/02/20 3:51pm

RJOrion

thebanishedone said:



RJOrion said:


funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
Censoring himself was actually the least of his issues in later years Plus, you know , prince had plenty of songs without explicit lyrics or sexual themes too.obv that was a big part of his music, but he has enough songs to perform that weren't about that. Also, it depends on how much you want a 60 year old to be singing about that stuff. Anyways plenty of others have done what prince did. Little Richard, al green ,etc [Edited 9/2/20 14:36pm]

word... and what 50 year old man still does the frivolous things, or has the same belief system he did in his 20s or even early 30s?...only a foolish, immature one... kudos forever to Prince for acknowledging and sharing his growth and evolution with his fans and employees... only for many of BOTH groups to turn their backs on him, and badmouth his choices

Yeah but in 2016 he sang a song about laying down a girl in his daddys car.


I didnt want him to use profanity just for the sake of doing it but if there was a foundation for that why not? its better than what the duck biggrin



but made his life decisions based on what HE HIMSELF believed...if he felt like that made him a better person, and more pleasing to God as he believed God to be, then who are WE to judge?... its just a 3 minute song that HE wrote.. he can change it whenever and wherever he wants...thats some powerful shit...as you can see by the way peoples' emotions are somehow affected by the mere manipulation of a word or 2 in a freakin song
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Reply #16 posted 09/02/20 4:34pm

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RJOrion said:

tab32792 said:

This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol

because in this world ALOT of people seem to be "entertained" by black men exhibiting inappropriate behavior, while the so-called "fans" and media, mock, laugh and ridicule the artist, while promoting and buying the product and negatively influencing the impressionable peoples of the world...its been going on in entertainment (movies and music) since they let "US" in the game


Yeah Prince is a regular Amos and Andy, is that it?

How much do you have to hate Prince to think that? How much do you have to hate him to think half his career was "inappropriate" and that's why he made provocative music to begin with? Prince's artistry was respected, and he had a sense of humor behind his persona with or with the risque material.


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Reply #17 posted 09/02/20 4:39pm

RighteousOne

Who knows? More likely lockdown would have precipitated thousands of new songs. What else was he gonna do?

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Reply #18 posted 09/02/20 4:58pm

RJOrion

lavendardrummachine said:



RJOrion said:




tab32792 said:


This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol




because in this world ALOT of people seem to be "entertained" by black men exhibiting inappropriate behavior, while the so-called "fans" and media, mock, laugh and ridicule the artist, while promoting and buying the product and negatively influencing the impressionable peoples of the world...its been going on in entertainment (movies and music) since they let "US" in the game




Yeah Prince is a regular Amos and Andy, is that it?

How much do you have to hate Prince to think that? How much do you have to hate him to think half his career was "inappropriate" and that's why he made provocative music to begin with? Prince's artistry was respected, and he had a sense of humor behind his persona with or with the risque material.





the fact that you read my comment and somehow came to that ridiculous conclusion shows:

1. a total lack of understanding or comprehension on your part

2. some predisposed antagonism intended for the commenter

i know youre still hurt from past threads... bless your heart..

someone (or 2) once said, LETITGO
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Reply #19 posted 09/02/20 9:04pm

TrivialPursuit

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LoveGalore said:


His quote about pushing things to the edge and then there's nowhere else to go comes to mind. I think by the time Days Of Wild rolled around (with Face Down soon after) it's like alright bruv, we get it, you use naughty language. Listening back to DoW now sometimes makes me cringe cuz its just soooo much fuck this, fuck that and it feels weird.


What makes me cringe is that version he released during one of the Celebrations, where it was self-edited to hell with massive overdubs "you in the red dress, you in the red dress." DOW should have cursing in it. That's how it was written.

He didn't have to add cursing in later years. Doesn't matter to me. I can't see him singing, "Call! Call my name (bitch)" or something. "Don't you ever touch my records...MUTHAFUKKA!" I can do without it there.

My issue is him editing his older material or not playing it at all because of the cursing. There was that story about him wanting to destroy the masters to "Head" and "Sister" because he thought they were evil. It's an untrue version of the self. He told Oprah that he doesn't regret anything he's done because it got him to where he is now, whether that's a contract or whatever. And that is what makes me cringe, pretending like shit never happened. He went and even edited "P-U-S-S-Y" in "New Position" when part of a Parade show was played on an NPGMC Ahdio Show. Stupid shit like that is super cringe-worthy.

It's all "part of the experience." Just because he edited "fuck" doesn't mean he never said it. Our experience as fans is that he did say fuck in certain songs, and didn't in others. I'm certainly not jumping on that boat of denial.

If songs were his children, no good parent would try and change their kid. They'd let them be who they are, period.


Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #20 posted 09/02/20 9:23pm

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RJOrion said:



tab32792 said:


This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol




because in this world ALOT of people seem to be "entertained" by black men exhibiting inappropriate behavior, while the so-called "fans" and media, mock, laugh and ridicule the artist, while promoting and buying the product and negatively influencing the impressionable peoples of the world...its been going on in entertainment (movies and music) since they let "US" in the game


THIS!
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Reply #21 posted 09/02/20 11:53pm

lavendardrumma
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RJOrion said:

lavendardrummachine said:


Yeah Prince is a regular Amos and Andy, is that it?

How much do you have to hate Prince to think that? How much do you have to hate him to think half his career was "inappropriate" and that's why he made provocative music to begin with? Prince's artistry was respected, and he had a sense of humor behind his persona with or with the risque material.


the fact that you read my comment and somehow came to that ridiculous conclusion shows: 1. a total lack of understanding or comprehension on your part 2. some predisposed antagonism intended for the commenter i know youre still hurt from past threads... bless your heart.. someone (or 2) once said, LETITGO


Typical. You make inappropriate statements full of implications you can't defend and act all innocent when called out on it.

The rest is you projecting.

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Reply #22 posted 09/03/20 12:16am

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Yes, he would have return to being more provocative to prove points lyrically and do so with out cussing. I always thought Prince got older he would get super religious and more conservative to counter the no holds bar 1980's. I think after a while he would return to being provocative and suggestive with out the overt sexuality.

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
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Reply #23 posted 09/03/20 12:26am

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I remember reading an interview that said Prince was beginning to distance himself from the Jehova Witnesses, that he was starting to see that something wasn't right or he wasn't getting what he thought he should be getting from them.
Love41Another đź’ś
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Reply #24 posted 09/03/20 1:49am

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Everyone knows he got embarrassing with his attempts to stay cool, trendy, to seem up to date and edgy with his cursing and even just phrasing as he got older. I dont mind someone not cursing but reframing lyrics to take out suggestive content prob just means its better to not perform those songs. Prince was kinda contradictory though so who lnlwa what the rules were. But I guess that's the curse of writing youthful so as and not knowing how to deal with them as an artist ages. Hes not the first one to have that dilemma.
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Reply #25 posted 09/03/20 4:59am

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prince just got insecure as he got older.

all that macho posturing which you can even sometimes hear in how he talks in between songs in many later shows, it often seemed a bit forced.

i guess he was worried he wasnt masculine enough.

almost like a corrective for all the earlier years.

shame he didnt have a more accepting relationship with who he was or used to be.

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Reply #26 posted 09/03/20 6:07am

RJOrion

lavendardrummachine said:

RJOrion said:

lavendardrummachine said: the fact that you read my comment and somehow came to that ridiculous conclusion shows: 1. a total lack of understanding or comprehension on your part 2. some predisposed antagonism intended for the commenter i know youre still hurt from past threads... bless your heart.. someone (or 2) once said, LETITGO


Typical. You make inappropriate statements full of implications you can't defend and act all innocent when called out on it.

The rest is you projecting.

tHanks for proving my point..you're still hurt from prior allegedly socalled "inappropriate comments"... and i didnt imply anything, ive said what i said, and it needs no defending... you would be better served by ignoring my comments altogether, because youre making quite the fool of yourself by replying to them

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Reply #27 posted 09/03/20 6:23am

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Essence interview, 2014: https://www.essence.com/c...june-2014/

I ask Prince about something that his bodyguard Romeo said before he came into the room, when he asked everyone not to curse. What about “Head”? What about “Sexy M.F.,” “Darling Nikki,” “Erotic City”? Long before rappers, Prince was one of the first artists to test the limits of profanity on records. “All you do is grow and change,” he explains. “A lot of things I don’t do [anymore],” he says, “and some things I do more of.” Some of that stems from him becoming a Jehovah’s Witness. Larry Graham, the legendary Sly and the Family Stone bass player, was not only a musical inspiration to Prince but a spiritual one as well, forcing him to question his use of profanity in his music and his personal life.

“Did you ever hear Muhammad Ali curse?” he says. “Would you curse in front of your kids? To your mother?

“Marsha, Lianne, Janelle, Donna, Hannah, Ida, Liv, Shelby—they’re all my sisters. We shouldn’t curse at them. We need to treat all of them, and all people, like royalty.”

Prince smiles again.

“Janelle. She has so much power. She could stop an entire generation from cursing. Could you imagine a whole generation not cursing?”

Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #28 posted 09/03/20 8:01am

tab32792

I just asked a simple question that you still didn’t really answer. A person choosing not to use profanity by choice or religion otherwise, is his business. I understand ain’t much to talk about since he ain’t here. But this is simply stupid. He stopped cursing. The end. Everybody doesn’t curse. Also a fact. Even you saying what YOU want and that him no longer cursing is his “silliness”. A personal attack on somebody not doing what you want them to do lol but carry on




TrivialPursuit said:



tab32792 said:


This begs one to question, why do people want him to curse so bad? Lol


Let's not try to be deep here. This ain't some White person arguing to use the N-word, and you say, "But why would you want to use it?" This is about Prince cussin'.

I used to say I just wanted to hear Prince say "fuck" again. Why? Because he was just so good at it. He knew when to add a cuss word. He went overboard censoring himself. Can't even say damn? You know damn well he was yellin' "FUCK BABY, RIDE IT!" when he was fuckin' whoever. So pffft on that. Even Sheila E sang "we have funk until the dawn" in "Erotic City." Why couldn't he do that live post-JW? So much of his catalog was missed in concert because of his silliness with it.

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Reply #29 posted 09/03/20 8:14am

tab32792

Too much fake psychology riddled with warped personal opinions. It’s very weird and cringe worthy as you say lol. A man can do what he wants when and how he wants with himself and especially his art. In 1987, he cursed heavily. In 2016, he didn’t. Why? Cause he chose to make that change. Simple as that. If that’s such an issue for you, it’s probably you that has the problem.
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