sulls said:

CAN'T WAIT!!! Couldn't they have released the banjo version of U Got The Look instead of this Shep mix? Or the guitar and sax versions of Crucial we all know and love. Or 'What Did I Do'.

Dammit

Still excited for this to get released. Pristine Large Room!!!

[Edited 9/1/20 5:44am]

[Edited 9/1/20 7:23am]

And why three versions of "A Place In Heaven"? - yes, "Banjo Look" would've been much, much more appropriate.

RJOrion said:

Farfunknugin said:

sulls said:

CAN'T WAIT!!! Couldn't they have released the banjo version of U Got The Look instead of this Shep mix? Or the guitar and sax versions of Crucial we all know and love. Or 'What Did I Do'.

Dammit

Still excited for this to get released. Pristine Large Room!!!

[Edited 9/1/20 5:44am]

[Edited 9/1/20 7:23am]

Ha, sulls .

Your always in search of the elusive banjo version, love it!

Keep the pressure on because you never know who reads these posts.

Dude wrote so much it wouldn't surprise me if there was a harp version of Gett Off lying somewhere in the vault..

The banjo version is just so fun. The guy was a nut!

mushmackalenta said:

lustmealways said:

mushmackalenta said:

databank said:

mushmackalenta said:

So Rebirth of the Flesh is a Frankenstein mix.

We don't know that yet, the reviews just assume it may be the case. Soul Psychodelicide also seems to be an arbitrary edit off the rehearsal but it cannot be excluded that Prince could have made such an edit himself. Let's wait and see a little before jumping to conclusions.

but what if i want to get angry right here, right now and don't want to wait until 9/25 for the Howe Bashing Bonanza

[Edited 9/1/20 16:56pm]

We'll see

lustmealways said:

mushmackalenta said:

So Rebirth of the Flesh is a Frankenstein mix.

Holy shit do you do anything else but cry "Frankenstein mix"? That's pretty much all you've done with the pre-release singles with no evidence to back it up

sulls said:

Farfunknugin said:

Ha, sulls .

Your always in search of the elusive banjo version, love it!

Keep the pressure on because you never know who reads these posts.

Dude wrote so much it wouldn't surprise me if there was a harp version of Gett Off lying somewhere in the vault..

The banjo version is just so fun. The guy was a nut!

Thw "kid" was a nut for sure.

Most creatives are and thank god for it, miss that dude. I can't stop thinking about how he would of responded to all the chaos we're all now experiencing, imagine the concerts from paisley..

Where these reviews drive me crazy, and so did 1999 SDE to some extent, is how by comparing our bootlegs to these releases (and not counting Frankenstein mixes of course), there appears to exist a multitude of work in progress mixdowns and versions for each song. It's really vertiginous, and cataloguing each and every version, if done properly (I hope it is), must be such a gigantic task...

By this stage and despite all their efforts, Princevault is already beginning to miss certain mixes that exist only with slight differences, and I'm only talking about what is released and/or circulating. I can only hope the work is being done seriously at Iron Mountain.

tmcjb said:

Knowing that most folks on the org are of advanced age makes it really surprising some of yall have so very much time to cry about inconsequential shit.

LoveGalore said:

Knowing that most folks on the org are of advanced age makes it really surprising some of yall have so very much time to cry about inconsequential shit.

Or, maybe, because we are of advanced age, our lives aren't as fascinating and exciting as they were when we were in our 20's, and we're getting a little more bored every day, so we have time to rant on the Org?

.

Oh, but no, wait... we were already ranting on the Org when we were in our 20's and our lives were fascinating and exciting

This cracked me up because it's so true, they must be members of the Org:

"The posthumous releases, which we hope will be numerous, have received or will always receive the same criticisms:

Prince wouldn't have wanted that,
We already have more than half of these titles,
This is missing and this is missing,
They tampered with the pieces,
This or that title has nothing to do there,
Such or such other version that they did not choose is better,
If it was me, I would have chosen this, this and this, it would have been more interesting….
All followed by the endless: “what's next? And when is it for? I have ideas. "

databank said:

LoveGalore said:

Knowing that most folks on the org are of advanced age makes it really surprising some of yall have so very much time to cry about inconsequential shit.

Or, maybe, because we are of advanced age, our lives aren't as fascinating and exciting as they were when we were in our 20's, and we're getting a little more bored every day, so we have time to rant on the Org?

.

Oh, but no, wait... we were already ranting on the Org when we were in our 20's and our lives were fascinating and exciting

I'm envious of the energy, for sure, cuz it do require energy to demand things be a certain way (especially when there's no shot in hell of things being ideal).

The Estate takes a lot of shit and I do get it - Prince fans are deeply passionate in all ways for the art. But there is a level of intention and documentation that his fans demand yet he was never good at. In fact, what's the story about the one engineer who set up the catalog system sometime in 1988-1989? Because it was in such disarray?

Prince also rarely poured himself into a project and really made every effort to present a cohesive and lasting vision. Albums followed a general, loose structure and theme from conception to release and the project was over within 6 months after. So, no, I don't think there's a positively definitive Dream Factory tracklist (though we can now successfully build at least one, possibly two, via Spotify - just not that final one we know about).

And ya, the titling structure of these songs seems a touch arbitrary (why is ICNTTPOYM listed as 1979 version and not "Version 1"). There is obviously a LOT of dog whistling to his hardcore fans with these parenthetical descriptors which ultimately lack symmetry but do still get the point across. What's an eaarly vocal run-through? Easy. He had built the rest of the song, as you can hear, and he was laying down a scratch vocal. An early (in the process) (lead) vocal run-through.

Sorry for ranting, but I am ready for the leak and for us to move into the next phase of this discussion which is deciding, after the dust settles, what we are ultimately left with on this release.

[Edited 9/2/20 7:04am]

Hi everyone. Now I know that it's early days, this review has been run through Google translate, and that I shouldn't be reading too much into this. Having said that, this comment regarding 'Rebirth Of The Flesh'...

"With regard to this outro, questions may be raised about the authenticity of the document, as the sequence is missed, not very fluid and seems to have been glued from a different source of the rest of the piece."

... has got me thinking.

Isn't it strange how Prince released the studio versions of every Camille track... except for 'Rebirth Of The Flesh'? He cut 'Feel U Up' from Crystal Ball, yet even that got released as a B-side. However when he eventually did release this track he chose to use a rehearsal recording instead? Why was that?

Now we have a situation where Michael Howe has access to everything in Prince's vault, and providing the above quote is indeed accurate, he can't find the complete track as a single source?

From what we know of the track, there should in theory be two tapes in existence containing the full track in studio quality...

* The original 24 track, 2 inch tape of the song.
* The stereo master tape of the Camille album (hence the test press)

If this is the case, why can't Michael Howe use either of these? At this point I have a couple of theories.

Theory 1: Lost, Stolen or Damaged
Maybe the original 24 track tape was stolen or damaged prior to 2001 when Prince had to resort to the rehearsal recording for NPGMC.

Theory 2: Prince continued working on the track
As we know, Prince edited the track by about half a minute to make it fit on Crystal Ball. Maybe instead of doing a straight edit (making a stereo copy of the full track and cutting the copy down), Prince continued working on the track using the original 24 track tape and partly recorded over the song in the process of making it shorter, destroying the original outro in the process!

If either of these are true, then the only source containing the original outro will be the Camille album's master tape. Furthermore, assuming that the track segues into Housequake there is also a real possibility that the track doesn't have a clean ending. Maybe that's what the review meant when they stated "the sequence is missed"?

Sorry to ramble on. I'm just curious to know what's going on behind the curtain. This is one of my all time favourite Prince tracks. I'd be devastated to learn that there was a problem with the master tape.

Hopefully, somebody from the small handful of hardcore fans who own a copy of the Camille test pressing would be kind enough to compare the 2020 remaster to the Camille album to let us all know what's going on.

djdaffy1227 said:

This cracked me up because it's so true, they must be members of the Org:

"The posthumous releases, which we hope will be numerous, have received or will always receive the same criticisms:

Prince wouldn't have wanted that,
We already have more than half of these titles,
This is missing and this is missing,
They tampered with the pieces,
This or that title has nothing to do there,
Such or such other version that they did not choose is better,
If it was me, I would have chosen this, this and this, it would have been more interesting….
All followed by the endless: “what's next? And when is it for? I have ideas. "

To be fair my only serious real problem was the one in bold.

When it comes to the rest, I'm happy with anything as long as they release something.

VaultCurator said:

Theory 2: Prince continued working on the track
As we know, Prince edited the track by about half a minute to make it fit on Crystal Ball. Maybe instead of doing a straight edit (making a stereo copy of the full track and cutting the copy down), Prince continued working on the track using the original 24 track tape and partly recorded over the song in the process of making it shorter, destroying the original outro in the process!

Well it's not unprecedented. Prince apparently taped over the master of Rearrange when he pulled it out of the vault to make New Power Generation.

Strive said:

Strive said:

RJOrion said:

"...Prince had been dating Micki Free since the days of Purple Rain.." ^^^^ word?...so, Prince was DATING Micki Free, huh?... Micki Free is a MAN

I know! My eyes BULGED out what I read that

Farfunknugin said:

sulls said:

The banjo version is just so fun. The guy was a nut!

Thw "kid" was a nut for sure.

Most creatives are and thank god for it, miss that dude. I can't stop thinking about how he would of responded to all the chaos we're all now experiencing, imagine the concerts from paisley..

Off-topic but....
A *very* close associate and I talked about this very subject a few weeks ago. The outcome is that P would have been very vocal even before the election, likely would have voted (!) and encouraged others to and may have found his second role in life. What a loss.

thefunkydrummer said:

databank said:

LoveGalore said:

Knowing that most folks on the org are of advanced age makes it really surprising some of yall have so very much time to cry about inconsequential shit.

Or, maybe, because we are of advanced age, our lives aren't as fascinating and exciting as they were when we were in our 20's, and we're getting a little more bored every day, so we have time to rant on the Org?

.

Oh, but no, wait... we were already ranting on the Org when we were in our 20's and our lives were fascinating and exciting

Romeoblu said: