MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Guess you somehow missed or decided to overlook the last sentence of Wendy's statement. Yeah, her life went on, and she's done some amazing stuff as well. Additionally, Prince called her back to play music with him on numerous occasions, AND wrote, released and dedicated In This Bed I Scream to Wendy, Lisa, and Susannah. So, it appears Wendy and Lisa weren't the only ones who were sad that their "trio" had parted ways.

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You post like some random guy who never spent a day, let alone years, of your time contributing to and/or supporting the music of a well known musician in order to support his dream. OH WAIT....YOU ACTUALLY ARE THAT GUY!!!

Well clearly her life didn't move on or she wouldn't be saying this 30 years later. She should be bowing down and kissing Prince's ring for the opportunities he gave to her. And when she arrived at another record company to record her own album, it dawned on her that Prince had financial obligations to the label, so could not put out all of her masterpieces -- and it was still Prince's atelier at the end of the day. So these statements are unprofessional. I don't recall Prince being sad, he just asked them to stay through the Parade tour as they had wanted to quit. You act like this is your first day on the forum, this haven of criticism and nitpicking. The contributions on SOTT are clearly outlined on the album. And no, it is not a Revolution album -- said Prince.

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LOLOLOLOL

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First bold - Um, Wendy was SPECIFICALLY ASKED by the journalist how she felt when she heard the SOTT record for the first time after leaving the camp. So, yeah, she's going to have to reflect on 30 yrs ago to actually answer that question, and I appreciate her honesty about it.

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Second bold - "it dawned on her that Prince had financial obligations to his label"??? You gotta be shitting me, right?? Yeah, I'm sure Wendy and Susannah had absolutely NO clue about how record labels and payments/contracts worked back then, seeing as their Dad only played on every big record of the 60's and 70's, and was the NARAS President when they did Purple Rain, and she had been in the recording studio multiple times with him from about age 10-13. Yeah, I'm sure she was completely clueless

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Third bold - Ya gotta get your facts straight here if you want to seem credible with your Wendy and Lisa bashing rants THEY did not quit before the Parade tour and then agree to stay for the tour. That my friend was BrownMark. Wendy & Lisa had NO idea Mark had officially quit. Their first indication that Prince was going to disband was during the last Parade show in Japan when he smashed the two guitars. They've discussed this in detail several times.

jstar69 said:

Milty2 said:

I'm going to amend my statement....I hope they continue for a while but without the petty bashing and nit-picking over who did what and when. As if any Orger was actually there. This is worse than political debating when we all have one common love and that is Prince and his work.

It would appear that moodyblumes was present during the SOTT sessions, appears to know everything

Actually Prince was present during those sessions, and credits are noted on the album. Keep smiling

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Well clearly her life didn't move on or she wouldn't be saying this 30 years later. She should be bowing down and kissing Prince's ring for the opportunities he gave to her. And when she arrived at another record company to record her own album, it dawned on her that Prince had financial obligations to the label, so could not put out all of her masterpieces -- and it was still Prince's atelier at the end of the day. So these statements are unprofessional. I don't recall Prince being sad, he just asked them to stay through the Parade tour as they had wanted to quit. You act like this is your first day on the forum, this haven of criticism and nitpicking. The contributions on SOTT are clearly outlined on the album. And no, it is not a Revolution album -- said Prince.

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LOLOLOLOL

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First bold - Um, Wendy was SPECIFICALLY ASKED by the journalist how she felt when she heard the SOTT record for the first time after leaving the camp. So, yeah, she's going to have to reflect on 30 yrs ago to actually answer that question, and I appreciate her honesty about it.

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Second bold - "it dawned on her that Prince had financial obligations to his label"??? You gotta be shitting me, right?? Yeah, I'm sure Wendy and Susannah had absolutely NO clue about how record labels and payments/contracts worked back then, seeing as their Dad only played on every big record of the 60's and 70's, and was the NARAS President when they did Purple Rain, and she had been in the recording studio multiple times with him from about age 10-13. Yeah, I'm sure she was completely clueless

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Third bold - Ya gotta get your facts straight here if you want to seem credible with your Wendy and Lisa bashing rants THEY did not quit before the Parade tour and then agree to stay for the tour. That my friend was BrownMark. Wendy & Lisa had NO idea Mark had officially quit. Their first indication that Prince was going to disband was during the last Parade show in Japan when he smashed the two guitars. They've discussed this in detail several times.

Why would I be shitting you? What I said, if you read a little bit more closely, is that Wendy and Lisa wanted to quit, and Prince changed their mind to stay to do the Parade tour. At the end of that tour he let them go, as per the desire they had expressed previously. Lisa Coleman absolutely did a podcast describing in detail about when they went solo, believe they were given $1 million, and were absolutely shocked that they had to pay the money back / that it was just a loan. Indeed, they had some learning to do when the left Prince's camp. Her comment was not honest, because Prince didn't just say 'thank you' at the end of the album, he included their relevant song credits. She was sad because 'Colors' was not put onto the SOTT album, and sad that Prince thanked her.

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jstar69 said:

Milty2 said:

I'm going to amend my statement....I hope they continue for a while but without the petty bashing and nit-picking over who did what and when. As if any Orger was actually there. This is worse than political debating when we all have one common love and that is Prince and his work.

It would appear that moodyblumes was present during the SOTT sessions, appears to know everything

maybe he is Miko?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Moonbeam said:

HamsterHuey said:

Same here. Got a tiny bit emotional when I heard it, caught me by surprise.

I hope there'll be four episodes to this series as well, just like with 1999. It's something to fill the void between now and the release date of the box.

8 episodes are coming!

I shudder to think we have 8 episodes of constant bickering and moaning about who did what and how awful they are. I shudder.

Milty2 said:

I just don't even get why certain people are making such a big deal out of pretty much nothing lol. I hope that if they have such an issue with the people on the podcast they sit out the remaining parts so the threads can exist without these trite complaints

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Well here is what Susan shared about SOTT:

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"The drum track on “The Cross” is noticeably out of time, and “Forever in My Life” and “It” were each done pretty quickly. In contrast, songs like “Adore” and “U Got the Look” received an exceptional amount of attention to detail.

“Slow Love,” “I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man,” and “Strange Relationship” were older songs that were pulled from the vault and reworked for inclusion. There were some unusual sonic elements, including the distorted vocal on “If I Was Your Girlfriend,” the muffled, lo­fi sound on “The Ballad of Dorothy Parker,” and the out­of­sync backing vocals on “Forever in My Life.” All of these were unintentional “happy accidents.”

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Some experimentation was deliberate, such as the backwards drums on “Starfish and Coffee.” The basic track for “It’s Gonna Be a Beautiful Night” was recorded in a mobile truck for a live performance in France.

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....Prince’s work in relation to these artists was like an art house film maker compared to big budget studio films. We worked quickly and valued ideas over execution or art over craft, you might say. Frequently tracks were completed from beginning to end (i.e., final mix) in less than 24 hours, by just the two of us. That is unheard of for chart-topping artists who typically work with a team including producers, engineers, mixers, songwriters, and studio musicians.

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Because his albums always center around a theme, new songs were written or reworked to build around SOTT’s core songs, which included “Sign o’ the Times,” “Adore,” “If I Was Your Girlfriend,” and “U Got the Look.” “Play in the Sunshine” and “Slow Love” are examples of songs that were included to complete a perfect album sequence.

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We worked quietly and peacefully, for the most part, on songs like “It,” “Hot Thing,” “Forever in My Life,” and “Starfish and Coffee.” Even though Sunset Sound in Los Angeles was like a second home, the atmosphere in Minnesota had lower pressure. I always felt as though he was most himself in Minnesota, working at home.

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When I left in 1988 and began working with other artists, I realized that I only knew Prince’s way of working. Because his method was so rare, I had to learn how to make records the industry way. All of Prince’s colleagues or imitators take a risk by observing him for too long. They can start to believe that his genius is not so rare or that it just takes discipline to match his output. The more I worked with others, the more I realized that there is simply no one like Prince aesthetically or entrepreneurially.

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Musical parts and arrangements came so rapidly to him that it could seem as if he were recording songs from memory. He has a particular genius for melody and rhythm, and he is extraordinarily decisive and focused.

What we label genius or expert typically takes a decade or more to form. Greg Kurstin, for example, recently produced Adele’s latest single “Hello” and a host of other hit songs over the past few years. This comes after working for over two decades as a musician and producer. Prince was doing equivalent work in his first decade with no formal musical training. It would be hard to find his equal in any musical era.

https://classicalbumsunda...interview/

I think it's great that Susan Rogers has a solid memory of those years, and is so eloquent in her discussions of the details. I was listening again to her almost 3 hour long interview on Prince Podcast, and this is also what she stated when asked about the SOTT period and album:

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At the 1:20:05 mark: "A major part of his (Prince's) life concerned Wendy, Lisa, and Susannah. They were a big part of his personal life, of his musical life. They were huge to him, and of course, Bobby Z., his friend since High School. So, as his landscape is changing beneath him he's changing his mind about what he wants to share. So, Dream Factory, then Crystal Ball, and then into SOTT happened as he was going through some personal and artistic and professional changes."

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Susan, in several other interviews/discussions since Prince's passing, has given HUGE praise to Wendy, Lisa, and Susannah for their abilities as musicians, writers, and vocalists (Susannah), and how much they influenced and contributed to Prince's music in the 1985-86 period.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvvdrDQ8nU

Okay, so you'll recall in the podcast that Susan also said (at 1:19:10), "SOTT - you can tell from the cover - represented a little bit more of a dark period because the Revolution had disbanded and Sheila E was in his life now and Susannah was in his life but she wasn't going to be there much longer."

Presume she was speaking romantically, because clearly Sheila was around before that. Prince wrote songs and produced her 2 albums during 1984 and 1985. He was jamming with her family long before SOTT - and she is also on the album, credited on You Got the Look and It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night.

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Susan doesn't mention Matt Fink, who co-wrote It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night, continued on for the SOTT tour, and had been with Prince since 1978.

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Are 'Colors' or 'Neveah Ni Ecalp' more relevant to SOTT than Madhouse? Those albums were released, and the music was played on the SOTT tour.

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I'd love to hear about how Prince influenced W, L, S, given this posthumous retrospective. Prince was the youngest producer in Warners history, a whiz in the studio according to those who worked with him. He learned studiocraft at Moonsound. Peggy McCreary describes 18 hour days recording alone with him, Tudahl describes hundreds of hours of Prince in the studio, alone, finishing Purple Rain. David Z remembers Prince surrounded by his instruments, recording each part -- his 1st album kicking off with a many layered a-cappella of his own vocals.

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ForceofNature said:

I just don't even get why certain people are making such a big deal out of pretty much nothing lol. I hope that if they have such an issue with the people on the podcast they sit out the remaining parts so the threads can exist without these trite complaints

Because the forum is all about serenity without issues or 'trite' complaints.

jstar69 said:

Milty2 said:

I shudder to think we have 8 episodes of constant bickering and moaning about who did what and how awful they are. I shudder.

Yep unfortunately we will have to filter through the rubbish to read the comments/posts of value and that are worth reading. I think we have a good idea of who to overlook/ignore

Aww, so sorry to upset your serenity.

Wowugotit said:

W&L were VIPs to Prince at that time. Don't shit on history because u don't like them.

I hope Sheena Easton is interviewed in regards to UGTL.

Yeah, it would be great to hear from Sheena and Sheila E who played drums and percussion on the song.

MoodyBlumes said:

jstar69 said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Aww, so sorry to upset your serenity.

No twisted knickers here 👍

Cool!

MoodyBlumes said:

ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Because the forum is all about serenity without issues or 'trite' complaints.

It certainly theoretically could be, if not just a tad more [Edited 8/31/20 18:02pm]

Well by all means, do your part in making the forum a haven for Prince fans.

MoodyBlumes said:

ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said: It certainly theoretically could be, if not just a tad more [Edited 8/31/20 18:02pm]

Well by all means, do your part in making the forum a haven for Prince fans.

It need not be a haven, but maybe just a tad less silly than it could be. Including people so upset Wendy and Lisa talked in a podcast for a little bit

ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Well by all means, do your part in making the forum a haven for Prince fans.

It need not be a haven, but maybe just a tad less silly than it could be. Including people so upset Wendy and Lisa talked in a podcast for a little bit

There is plenty of silly, on that point we agree.

What official releases include Prince talking to band members or giving direction? I love that part of the Power Fantastic clip. We also have Calhoun Square, Cloreen Baconskin, Internaional Lover (Take 1, Live in Studio), comment to engineer at the beginning of Piano & a Microphone 1983, and ending of It's About That Walk. There's also direction on the live albums. Anything else?

Btw, the podcast was good, but it would've been better if the host had just corrected or challenged two misstatements/untruths. Eric's comment especially was silly and an afront, saying the people in the SotT band having no role in the album. All the host had to say is Eric, you were a member of the SotT band, but you weren't a member of the Revolution. Do you think you had a role on the album?

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Most people don't photograph themselves when they are working. Performing, concerts, of course that is a different thing.

Unless you are Prince. We've got the black and white video of the 1984 rehearsal for the First Ave bday show, snippets of another warehouse rehearsal released with the original NC2U, Nude Tour rehearsals, etc. So, it's very possible that there may be some footage of rehearsals in the 1985-86 period. If so, I hope it ALL comes out.

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i'm fully aware of rehearsals excisting out there, and I did see them too.

I mean ''in the studio'' !

Prince at work in the studio.

Him at work on whatever instrument.

Like I said there are a few snippets of him on drums (2014 or 2015) filmed by one of the 3rdEyeGirls,

and of course the 1989 Batman shot in the studio. But that is about it I think (+possibly a couple of others i can think of right now).

Some photo's when he recorded his first trax for WB...

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But for a guy/artist who nearly LIVED IN HIS STUDIO WHILE RECORDING, there is very very very few footage (or pictures) of that. (Or am i that wrong ?)

Let alone him singing in the studio... which is impossible to find i believe.

Susan Rodgers said in various interviews (as well as other fellow musicians) that Prince only wanted to be alone when he put his voice(s) on tape.

Wouldn't that be stunning to at least be able to see that?

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This is not a podcast about Prince.

Whatnow?

And only someone with zero knowledge would buy W&L being 'bitter' - when they went solo they understood that they could not just 'play in the subshine' -- they owe Prince a lot, and were credited for their contribtions on the album.

I'm afraid you don't get to dictate what other people's emotions are or were, nor do people's emotions always line-up directly with the official credits. Thank you for letting me know that they owe Prince a lot, I never said they didn't.

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"Joni, Bowie, Prince...." NUFF SAID!

tab32792 said:

This donnyenglish said:

Part 1 was supposed to be about his transition from the Revolution and their influence on some of the previously unrleeased tracks. That would have been fair. They are all over All My Dreams and other tracks. It ended up being 35 minutes of lobbying and advocacy for the lie that SOTT is a Revolution album, a point that Wendy has unsuccessfully tried to make many times. Part 1 was an inaccurate representation of their contribution to the songs on that historic album and I'm disappointed in the Current for not doing a better job filtering the spin. SOTT is a produced, composed, arranged and performed by Prince project. For the first podcast to imply that it was not is very disappointing.

YES!

THIS!

Thank you for putting my disgust into words.

Man, I must have listened to a different podcast

susan rogers reminds me of the psychiatrist from sopranos

jaawwnn said:

This is not a podcast about Prince.

Whatnow?

And only someone with zero knowledge would buy W&L being 'bitter' - when they went solo they understood that they could not just 'play in the subshine' -- they owe Prince a lot, and were credited for their contribtions on the album.

I'm afraid you don't get to dictate what other people's emotions are or were, nor do people's emotions always line-up directly with the official credits. Thank you for letting me know that they owe Prince a lot, I never said they didn't.

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One doesn't need to dictate, just observe how professionals operate in the real world in which I work. You can't be bitter if you didn't pay for the studio time.

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Vannormal said:

violetcrush said:

Unless you are Prince. We've got the black and white video of the 1984 rehearsal for the First Ave bday show, snippets of another warehouse rehearsal released with the original NC2U, Nude Tour rehearsals, etc. So, it's very possible that there may be some footage of rehearsals in the 1985-86 period. If so, I hope it ALL comes out.

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i'm fully aware of rehearsals excisting out there, and I did see them too.

I mean ''in the studio'' !

Prince at work in the studio.

Him at work on whatever instrument.

Like I said there are a few snippets of him on drums (2014 or 2015) filmed by one of the 3rdEyeGirls,

and of course the 1989 Batman shot in the studio. But that is about it I think (+possibly a couple of others i can think of right now).

Some photo's when he recorded his first trax for WB...

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But for a guy/artist who nearly LIVED IN HIS STUDIO WHILE RECORDING, there is very very very few footage (or pictures) of that. (Or am i that wrong ?)

Let alone him singing in the studio... which is impossible to find i believe.

Susan Rodgers said in various interviews (as well as other fellow musicians) that Prince only wanted to be alone when he put his voice(s) on tape.

Wouldn't that be stunning to at least be able to see that?

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Would be awesome indeed. But for all his stage flash, he seemed rather opposite in the studio. Saxophonist Larry Williams who recorded Glamorous Life with him, described the scene in Tudahl's book, "There were no frills, except on his shirt! It was just he and I in the room and that was unusual... He just liked the intimacy and having no distractions with anyone else around. He just liked the focus of him being in there by himself, and when he needed something technical, he'd just get on the phone and call."

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But if footage surfaces, I'd be delighted.

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I have no idea why people are debating the minutiae of details regarding the SOTT recordings. Just sit back quietly and listen to the folks that were THERE during the recordings and learn and enjoy;

lustmealways said:

susan rogers reminds me of the psychiatrist from sopranos

Nice observation.
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Susan's mannerisms/accent are very unusual. She's kind of James Baldwin. Both of them have a unique way of speaking that somehow sounds a bit foreign. But you're right, there is a bit of sopranos psycha in there.

MoodyBlumes said:

jaawwnn said:

I'm afraid you don't get to dictate what other people's emotions are or were, nor do people's emotions always line-up directly with the official credits. Thank you for letting me know that they owe Prince a lot, I never said they didn't.

[Edited 9/1/20 4:05am]

One doesn't need to dictate, just observe how professionals operate in the real world in which I work. You can't be bitter if you didn't pay for the studio time.

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mmm, same answer i'm afraid. You're not going to make people's emotions lineup with your balance sheet.