PurpleSullivan said:

Loved the podcast, it was so cool to hear bootleg favourites in such quality. Love Wendy's & Lisa's insight. Some of y'all could give these young twitter stans a run for their money. Looking forward to the next episodes.

You mean like Miko Weaver here on Facebook? Miko played on 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night', the title of the podcast.

https://www.facebook.com/...710801526/

"It was all him! Others were just others! People crying now mega years late? Pats on the back bullshit! I'm sad because he can't tell his side of the story but I can but don't want to call folks liars!"

"This is all so funny for me! I'm there since 1983 and know much more than what I've read by people who weren't in the same room including past engineers. Which many times on many tracks I've seen only himself working the controls that the engineers set up and then asked to leave! Many have forgotten that I was actually there with him."

So I guess we won't be hearing from Miko in this podcast series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...iko_Weaver

Miko Weaver (Born 11 March 1957 in Berkeley, California) is an American guitarist best known for his work with Prince.

Weaver came to Prince's attention when he was a member of Sheila E.'s band. He and some other members of the band joined The Revolution in the studio to record a jam of "I Would Die 4 U" that would later become the song's 12" single. Prince later picked Weaver to provide guitar for his short-lived R&B band, The Family.^[1] When The Family dissolved, several members including Weaver were absorbed into The Revolution and participated in the recording of the Parade album, and the accompanying tour (which would be The Revolution's last). When The Revolution disbanded at the end of the tour, many of the newer members, including Weaver, stayed with Prince to become his touring band for the acclaimed Sign o' the Times and Lovesexy tours. Weaver also participated in many studio sessions with Prince during this time.

it's amazing to see some people pointing to Miko as a great influence on Prince's music. Funny how Prince never mentioned that... also funny that Miko has gotten credit on albums he had nothing to do with.

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And yes, I'd like to hear from Miko as well, once they get to the tour part of the podcasts. Levi would also be cool, although he didn't really become involved in making music with Prince until some time later.

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There's a difference between collaborators and band members. There's different insights to be gained from that difference. It seems some people are simply "anti-W&L" because they get more questions asked. It's because Prince himself singled them out (just look here ). The others were band members and could only tell you the same kind of stories that Susan Rogers can give you, but for fewer songs, the ones they were involved in the recording off.

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Lastly, even if the Revolution were not involved in recording most of the tracks on SOTT, do you not think that Prince jammed with them on many of the tracks that are on it? He often jammed on song ideas before he eventually recorded the songs. So they may have been involved without being part of the recording.

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Anyway, people that are upset about associates taking too much credit... if you hear it in this first podcast, you are tonedeaf.

mediumdry said:

LoveGalore said:

mediumdry said: What album was Miko given credit for that he has nothing to do with? Miko absolutely was on Parade, SOTT, Lovesexy, and Graffiti Bridge as well as associates albums.

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The Family. Interviews with Miko always seem to center around him pulling as much as Prince which made Prince jealous. He is given props as a guitar played, but I've not heard him talk much about music. Also, I can't find anything he did after Prince. I read a lot about recordings that were never released, but I don't see it. If you keep banging on about Miko as somehow equivalent or better or more relevant to the material being talked about in podcast 1, I just find it a really odd rock to die for. If that's the stand you're willing to take... your choice. He just was never much of an important voice in Prince world. (I like Miko, would like to hear more from him, but as far as Prince associates are concerned, he ranks closer to Cat than to Andre Cymone, basically)

mediumdry said:

it's amazing to see some people pointing to Miko as a great influence on Prince's music. Funny how Prince never mentioned that... also funny that Miko has gotten credit on albums he had nothing to do with.

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And yes, I'd like to hear from Miko as well, once they get to the tour part of the podcasts. Levi would also be cool, although he didn't really become involved in making music with Prince until some time later.

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There's a difference between collaborators and band members. There's different insights to be gained from that difference. It seems some people are simply "anti-W&L" because they get more questions asked. It's because Prince himself singled them out (just look here ). The others were band members and could only tell you the same kind of stories that Susan Rogers can give you, but for fewer songs, the ones they were involved in the recording off.

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Lastly, even if the Revolution were not involved in recording most of the tracks on SOTT, do you not think that Prince jammed with them on many of the tracks that are on it? He often jammed on song ideas before he eventually recorded the songs. So they may have been involved without being part of the recording.

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Anyway, people that are upset about associates taking too much credit... if you hear it in this first podcast, you are tonedeaf.

The video you link to has Prince saying that Wendy and Lisa helped him on Around the World in a Day, not that they were a great influence on Prince's music on SOTT. Of course anyone who works is a help to the boss. Matt Fink was a band member who co-wrote 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'.

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Do you not think that Prince was a huge influence on Wendy and Lisa? He was the youngest producer in the history of Warner Bros, he got to produce himself because he auditioned on all the instruments and had learned studio craft when he worked for Chris Moon at Moonsound. Here is Howard Bloom talking about his platinum 2nd album - https://www.youtube.com/w...7AboemNv_U

Sound engineer Peggy McCreary spoke about him spending 18 hours a day in the studio with her recording 1999, and said all he needed was someone to press play on the tape machine. She also worked on Around the World in a Day.

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Jamming, you mean what Prince and Sheila E used to do with her family at their house, before Prince had even heard of Wendy? On SOTT she is credited on 'You Got the Look' (drums & percussion), and 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night' (percussion).

Wendy and Lisa are credited for their contributions: 'Slow Love' (guitar, vocals), 'Strange Relationship' (sitar, wooden flute, tambourine, congas) and 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night' (players in the Revolution)

Prince was their bandleader, not the other way around.

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Lisa claimed that when they went solo, they didn't know they had to pay back the record company for the money they got to record. So they played 'Patty Cake' in Prince's studio on his dime, without a care in the world, and still can't appreciate that he actually had to make money to pay for it all, never mind WB expecting a profit. So crying over 'Neveah Ni Ecalp', 'Colors' and 'Visions' not being released, at this stage in the game, is unprofessional to say the least.

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The arrogance of this podcast is self evident.

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mediumdry said:

LoveGalore said:

mediumdry said: What album was Miko given credit for that he has nothing to do with? Miko absolutely was on Parade, SOTT, Lovesexy, and Graffiti Bridge as well as associates albums.

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The Family. Interviews with Miko always seem to center around him pulling as much as Prince which made Prince jealous. He is given props as a guitar played, but I've not heard him talk much about music. Also, I can't find anything he did after Prince. I read a lot about recordings that were never released, but I don't see it. If you keep banging on about Miko as somehow equivalent or better or more relevant to the material being talked about in podcast 1, I just find it a really odd rock to die for. If that's the stand you're willing to take... your choice. He just was never much of an important voice in Prince world. (I like Miko, would like to hear more from him, but as far as Prince associates are concerned, he ranks closer to Cat than to Andre Cymone, basically)

The Family album... Prince wrote 7 of 8 songs, and played all instruments except strings. Not a W&L project either. Agree that he isn't relevant to 'Colors', 'Visions' or 'Neveah Ni Ecalp', but these are completely irrelevant to Prince's album.

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These reissue related podcasts are some of the best ideas the Estate has come up with. I hope they continue for a while.

donnyenglish said:

jaawwnn said:

Uh, Wendy didn't edit the podcast. It's about the songs as they were being written from that period, not about the songs as they existed on March 30 1987. Do you not get that?

If Wendy said "Prince is the most talented person I have ever met" she'd be ripped to shreds in here for the perceived slight that she is leaving open the possibility that she might meet someone more talented in the future.

This is a podcast about Prince, everyone featured in it and listening to it knows this. No-one thinks this would have happened without Prince. Maybe it's not said enough for some because it's supposed to be obvious. God, I just never see or hear these micro-aggression slights certain people seem so attuned to in the Prince world.

I'll leave the thread now because I know this is going nowhere but i'll never understand how people don't seem to get that when someone is asked to reflect upon their past and they say "I was bitter" and "I was angry" they're a) talking about the past and b) being honest, you know that thing we all love about Prince?

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NAILED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BartVanHemelen said:

dodger said:

My thoughts exactly, after listening to that.

The '11 of the 16 tracks were done while he was with The Rev' line is misleading. Technically correct but they're actually only on 2 of the 16. It's making the album sound like something it's not.

Not 'bashing' just saying

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And crazily enough they were also around all the time and thus CAN PROVIDE ACTAL INSIGHT. Who the fuck doesn't want to hear from the very people who Prince so trusted that he told them to play around with his tracks and add their own ideas UNSUPERVISED?

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Meanwhile there are whiners who ask why the SOTT band isn't interviewed here, ignoring that a) that band didn't exist in 86 and b) that band played on ZERO recordings.

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Prince had DECADES to provide his side of the story, and didn't.

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JFC some of you pretend that W&L were a footnote, meanwhile Prince remained obsessed with them for decades and dedicated songs to them and blamed them for the RG debacle (which of course they had zero involvement in) etc.

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And every goddamn time you complainers open your mouth, it is crystal clear that you lot IMAGINE things and insert your own goddamn imaginary agendas into their words. You lot take words out of context and then bitch about it.

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You lot offer zero insight and pollute threads with this bullshit. I'd urge the Org mods to either ban you lot or apply timeouts whenever you post this bullshit.

I U BART!!!!

Only those with their own personal prejudices or issues with The Revolution members - namely Wendy and Lisa - will disagree with your post.

violetcrush said:

bonatoc said:

jaawwnn said:

Yeah! Everyone knows that it was Wally who really played piano on Power Fantastic!


Wendy & Lisa are, for the millionth time, CANCELLED.

Yup.


Luckily, he chose this cover,
and a picture being worth a thousand words...

Well.....there ya go Bonatoc!!! 'Nuff said with this RS cover

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

NAILED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not a podcast about Prince. And only someone with zero knowledge would buy W&L being 'bitter' - when they went solo they understood that they could not just 'play in the subshine' -- they owe Prince a lot, and were credited for their contribtions on the album.

Well, by default, it actually IS a podcast about Prince, becausae it centers around his music. ANYTIME there is an article or audio/video discussion involving Prince's released and/or unreleased music it IS about Prince. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise?? ALL OF THIS encompasses Prince and his music - whether it's perceived as a positive or negative discussion. And what I'm hearing is mainly positive, and praise for his genius.

Here ya go y'all. Wendy & Lisa (circa 1988) - along with Vanity and Jill Jones - discussing what working with Prince meant to them. Still the same dialogue from W & L tdoay, however, now we are able to obtain details that were previously kept away from public eyes and ears.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289ClqWeIDg

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violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said: This is not a podcast about Prince. And only someone with zero knowledge would buy W&L being 'bitter' - when they went solo they understood that they could not just 'play in the subshine' -- they owe Prince a lot, and were credited for their contribtions on the album.

Well, by default, it actually IS a podcast about Prince, becausae it centers around his music. ANYTIME there is an article or audio/video discussion involving Prince's released and/or unreleased music it IS about Prince. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise?? ALL OF THIS encompasses Prince and his music - whether it's perceived as a positive or negative discussion. And what I'm hearing is mainly positive, and praise for his genius.

Ah by default, got it. Susan praised his genius, that is true.

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Well.....there ya go Bonatoc!!! 'Nuff said with this RS cover

Is this the cover to SOTT?

????? Doesn't matter. This was the period of music leading up to what morphed and changed into SOTT.

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Princevault.com:

Sessions and compiling

Eight of the album's sixteen tracks were included on various configurations of the Dream Factory album, planned as the fourth album by Prince and the Revolution. When the Revolution was disbanded in October 1986, Prince reworked the album.

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Well, by default, it actually IS a podcast about Prince, becausae it centers around his music. ANYTIME there is an article or audio/video discussion involving Prince's released and/or unreleased music it IS about Prince. Not sure how anyone could think otherwise?? ALL OF THIS encompasses Prince and his music - whether it's perceived as a positive or negative discussion. And what I'm hearing is mainly positive, and praise for his genius.

Ah by default, got it. Susan praised his genius, that is true.

And Wendy stated that Prince gave her the BEST musical experience of her lifetime, so.....

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said: Is this the cover to SOTT?

????? Doesn't matter. This was the period of music leading up to what morphed and changed into SOTT.

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Princevault.com:

Sessions and compiling

Eight of the album's sixteen tracks were included on various configurations of the Dream Factory album, planned as the fourth album by Prince and the Revolution. When the Revolution was disbanded in October 1986, Prince reworked the album.

Has nothing to do with SOTT. Would you like me to post his iconic cover with Vanity?

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Ah by default, got it. Susan praised his genius, that is true.

And Wendy stated that Prince gave her the BEST musical experience of her lifetime, so.....

Well here is what Susan shared about SOTT:

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"The drum track on “The Cross” is noticeably out of time, and “Forever in My Life” and “It” were each done pretty quickly. In contrast, songs like “Adore” and “U Got the Look” received an exceptional amount of attention to detail.

“Slow Love,” “I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man,” and “Strange Relationship” were older songs that were pulled from the vault and reworked for inclusion. There were some unusual sonic elements, including the distorted vocal on “If I Was Your Girlfriend,” the muffled, lo­fi sound on “The Ballad of Dorothy Parker,” and the out­of­sync backing vocals on “Forever in My Life.” All of these were unintentional “happy accidents.”

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Some experimentation was deliberate, such as the backwards drums on “Starfish and Coffee.” The basic track for “It’s Gonna Be a Beautiful Night” was recorded in a mobile truck for a live performance in France.

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....Prince’s work in relation to these artists was like an art house film maker compared to big budget studio films. We worked quickly and valued ideas over execution or art over craft, you might say. Frequently tracks were completed from beginning to end (i.e., final mix) in less than 24 hours, by just the two of us. That is unheard of for chart-topping artists who typically work with a team including producers, engineers, mixers, songwriters, and studio musicians.

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Because his albums always center around a theme, new songs were written or reworked to build around SOTT’s core songs, which included “Sign o’ the Times,” “Adore,” “If I Was Your Girlfriend,” and “U Got the Look.” “Play in the Sunshine” and “Slow Love” are examples of songs that were included to complete a perfect album sequence.

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We worked quietly and peacefully, for the most part, on songs like “It,” “Hot Thing,” “Forever in My Life,” and “Starfish and Coffee.” Even though Sunset Sound in Los Angeles was like a second home, the atmosphere in Minnesota had lower pressure. I always felt as though he was most himself in Minnesota, working at home.

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When I left in 1988 and began working with other artists, I realized that I only knew Prince’s way of working. Because his method was so rare, I had to learn how to make records the industry way. All of Prince’s colleagues or imitators take a risk by observing him for too long. They can start to believe that his genius is not so rare or that it just takes discipline to match his output. The more I worked with others, the more I realized that there is simply no one like Prince aesthetically or entrepreneurially.

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Musical parts and arrangements came so rapidly to him that it could seem as if he were recording songs from memory. He has a particular genius for melody and rhythm, and he is extraordinarily decisive and focused.

What we label genius or expert typically takes a decade or more to form. Greg Kurstin, for example, recently produced Adele’s latest single “Hello” and a host of other hit songs over the past few years. This comes after working for over two decades as a musician and producer. Prince was doing equivalent work in his first decade with no formal musical training. It would be hard to find his equal in any musical era.

https://classicalbumsunda...interview/

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

????? Doesn't matter. This was the period of music leading up to what morphed and changed into SOTT.

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Princevault.com:

Sessions and compiling

Eight of the album's sixteen tracks were included on various configurations of the Dream Factory album, planned as the fourth album by Prince and the Revolution. When the Revolution was disbanded in October 1986, Prince reworked the album.

Has nothing to do with SOTT. Would you like me to post his iconic cover with Vanity?

Was that cover with Vanity published during the time the music for SOTT was being recorded??

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NOPE

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She posed with Prince during the 1999 music period, during which she WAS a big muse/influence.

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said: Is this the cover to SOTT?

????? Doesn't matter. This was the period of music leading up to what morphed and changed into SOTT.

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Princevault.com:

Sessions and compiling

Eight of the album's sixteen tracks were included on various configurations of the Dream Factory album, planned as the fourth album by Prince and the Revolution. When the Revolution was disbanded in October 1986, Prince reworked the album.

If you'd like to find out about the 8 album tracks, it would be better to look at the album notes instead of Prince Vault, which is not an arm of WB. 7 of the 8 tracks were still composed, produced, performed and arranged by Prince. And credits were assigned to some of those album tracks as appropriate - W&L for some instrumentation (congas, wood flute) on Strange Relationship, etc.

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violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Has nothing to do with SOTT. Would you like me to post his iconic cover with Vanity?

Was that cover with Vanity published during the time the music for SOTT was being recorded??

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NOPE

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She posed with Prince during the 1999 music period, during which she WAS a big muse/influence.

This album cover was not during Prince's SOTT 'period'. And Vanity never gave herself credit for 1999.

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Was that cover with Vanity published during the time the music for SOTT was being recorded??

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NOPE

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She posed with Prince during the 1999 music period, during which she WAS a big muse/influence.

This album cover was not during Prince's SOTT 'period'. And Vanity never gave herself credit for 1999.

That cover with Wendy & Lisa was done during the time of music being created which eventually morphed into SOTT, because Prince disbanded The Revolution.

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Of course Vanity would never take credit for the music of 1999 - she was NOT a musician or lyricist. Unless you can point me to a song on 1999 that she co-wrote and/or provided instrumental and/or vocal contribution??

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Milty2 said:

These reissue related podcasts are some of the best ideas the Estate has come up with. I hope they continue for a while.

I'm going to amend my statement....I hope they continue for a while but without the petty bashing and nit-picking over who did what and when. As if any Orger was actually there. This is worse than political debating when we all have one common love and that is Prince and his work.

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

This album cover was not during Prince's SOTT 'period'. And Vanity never gave herself credit for 1999.

That cover with Wendy & Lisa was done during the time of music being created which eventually morphed into SOTT, because Prince disbanded The Revolution.

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Of course Vanity would never take credit for the music of 1999 - she was NOT a musician or lyricist. Unless you can point me to a song on 1999 that she co-wrote and/or provided instrumental and/or vocal contribution??

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Whether you are a musician or not, you don't get to take credit where it wasn't given. Anyone who has worked a day or two understands this. W&L received their credits on SOTT, so should not be whining in interviews.

Milty2 said:

Milty2 said:

These reissue related podcasts are some of the best ideas the Estate has come up with. I hope they continue for a while.

I'm going to amend my statement....I hope they continue for a while but without the petty bashing and nit-picking over who did what and when. As if any Orger was actually there. This is worse than political debating when we all have one common love and that is Prince and his work.

Since when is this forum not about petty bashing and nit-picking? In terms of who did what, these are clearly outlined in the album notes.

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MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

That cover with Wendy & Lisa was done during the time of music being created which eventually morphed into SOTT, because Prince disbanded The Revolution.

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Of course Vanity would never take credit for the music of 1999 - she was NOT a musician or lyricist. Unless you can point me to a song on 1999 that she co-wrote and/or provided instrumental and/or vocal contribution??

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Whether you are a musician or not, you don't get to take credit where it wasn't given. Anyone who has worked a day or two understands this. W&L received their credits on SOTT, so should not be whining in interviews.

OMG, get OVER yourself, please!!! Wendy & Lisa WERE/ARE not whining about not getting credits for the songs on SOTT that Prince wrote and recorded on his own. They are simply expressing their sadness and disappointment AT THAT TIME - NOT NOW....regarding the MANY songs they did contribute to which were completely omitted, AND the few songs included in which their parts were stripped or buried in the mix.

Milty2 said:

Milty2 said:

These reissue related podcasts are some of the best ideas the Estate has come up with. I hope they continue for a while.

I'm going to amend my statement....I hope they continue for a while but without the petty bashing and nit-picking over who did what and when. As if any Orger was actually there. This is worse than political debating when we all have one common love and that is Prince and his work.

AMEN Milty2. AMEN

RJOrion said:

coming soon - Episode 2: More Delusions Of Grandeur from Wendy Melvoin

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Or, how can prejudice be more filled with dislike.

What do we as Prince fans benefit from that?

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