donnyenglish said:

MoodyBlumes said:

The box set should have been entitled 'Vault material'. And a podcast about Prince's SOTT album should be about Prince -- his songwriting, studio work, production, editing, musicianship, etc. Or are the episodes going to be about everything other than the actual album, and continue revolving around everyone except Prince?

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I think it would have been very appropriate to frame the podcast in terms of their contributions to the vault material that is being released on the expanded release. There are several "Revolution" songs that are included in the package and those songs are a very important part of the story of how SOTT evolved. I think that was the intent. Unfortunately, it became a SOTT is a Revolution album narrative, which is a lie. I can't say I love Prince and let those lies to fly.

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Levi and Sheila played on 'In A Large Room with No Light', Miko played on 'It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night', 2 songs in this podcast, yet the only mention of them in was in the suggestion that they were irrelevant. I find them to be more relevant to SOTT than 'Neveah Ni Ecalp'.

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MoodyBlumes said:

donnyenglish said:

I think it would have been very appropriate to frame the podcast in terms of their contributions to the vault material that is being released on the expanded release. There are several "Revolution" songs that are included in the package and those songs are a very important part of the story of how SOTT evolved. I think that was the intent. Unfortunately, it became a SOTT is a Revolution album narrative, which is a lie. I can't say I love Prince and let those lies to fly.

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Levi and Sheila played on 'In A Large Room with No Light', Miko played on 'It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night', 2 songs in this podcast, yet the only mention of them in was in the suggestion that they were irrelevant. I find them to be more relevant to SOTT than 'Neveah Ni Ecalp'.

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and there are 7 more episodes. I am sure if the choose to take part they will all be featured in future episodes.

lustmealways said:

donnyenglish said:

Can someone do us a favor and do an analysis of each track of SOTT and tell us which tracks Wendy/Lisa were involved with and what their contribution was according to Prince Vault? Wendy sat there at the Celebration last year and called it a "Revolution Album" like she implied during the podcast. Seems like most of the songs were recorded by himself in mid-late 1986 when the Revolution was almost over and some of the songs were written before Wendy was in the band. No disrespect, but she doesn't have Housequake, Hot Thing, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Adore, SOTT, etc. in her. None of the songs on the album sound anything like the Revolution. I see no receipts for her claims.

this is entirely true, but god almighty you all have been insufferable verbalizing your (somewhat valid) complaints. we get it. we got it the last thousand times. take it up with wendy and lisa if you want real change.

I see, your posts are relevant, and you find yourself sufferable. If you don't care for discussing an artist's published work, feel free to play in the sunshine instead.

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donnyenglish said:

lustmealways said:

this is entirely true, but god almighty you all have been insufferable verbalizing your (somewhat valid) complaints. we get it. we got it the last thousand times. take it up with wendy and lisa if you want real change.

Point taken. I am done. But, best believe I’m always going to have P’s back.

There is no point, just insufferable bitching from someones who don't have respect for an artist's published work.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Levi and Sheila played on 'In A Large Room with No Light', Miko played on 'It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night', 2 songs in this podcast, yet the only mention of them in was in the suggestion that they were irrelevant. I find them to be more relevant to SOTT than 'Neveah Ni Ecalp'.

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and there are 7 more episodes. I am sure if the choose to take part they will all be featured in future episodes.

Their playing was featured in this episode, along with the statement that they are irrelevant.

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MoodyBlumes said:

donnyenglish said:

lustmealways said: Point taken. I am done. But, best believe I’m always going to have P’s back.

There is no point, just insufferable bitching from folks who don't have respect for an artist's work.

LOL no offence but you must be new here! Even before some people here were not too kind to his work...

MoodyBlumes said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and there are 7 more episodes. I am sure if the choose to take part they will all be featured in future episodes.

Their playing was featured in this episode, along with the statement that they are irrelevant.

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I am not sure that was what was said...let me go see?

yeah Eric said most of the SOTT band (one he worked and toured with for 2 years) did not work as far as he knew on the album... which was odd to say as most of them were...

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

MoodyBlumes said:

There is no point, just insufferable bitching from folks who don't have respect for an artist's work.

LOL no offence but you must be new here! Even before some people here were not too kind to his work...

I see, so those who respect Prince and his work are insufferable?

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MoodyBlumes said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

LOL no offence but you must be new here! Even before some people here were not too kind to his work...

I see, so those who respect Prince and his work are insufferable?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Their playing was featured in this episode, along with the statement that they are irrelevant.

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I am not sure that was what was said...let me go see?

Eric: A lot of people equate all of the stuff that we think of as Sign 'O' the Times stuff with that band with Sheila E on drums and other people, because that was the band that went out and played that music, but they had nothing to do with any of the music that was on Sign 'O' the Times album, at least to my knowledge.

W&L didn't write 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night' - they played on the song as did Miko.

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Duane Tudahl's 'Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions' can provide some insight as to what Prince was like in the studio.

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MoodyBlumes said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

LOL no offence but you must be new here! Even before some people here were not too kind to his work...

I see, so those who respect Prince and his work are insufferable?

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I did not use that word. I was just saying that this place can be a bit rough. We do not all like all of his songs or albums... and that is okay.

I am am not being disrespectful at all. I am not even sure what you are all twisted about. This is Part 1 of an 8 part series. When they called to get my opnion I missed the call... Relax Franky!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

MoodyBlumes said:

I see, so those who respect Prince and his work are insufferable?

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I did not use that word. I was just saying that this place can be a bit rough. We do not all like all of his songs or albums... and that is okay.

I am am not being disrespectful at all. I am not even sure what you are all twisted about. This is Part 1 of an 8 part series. When they called to get my opnion I missed the call... Relax Franky!

You didn't respond to the person who did use that word, you wrote to me. And not liking some songs on his albums(?) has nothing to do with this discussion about the podcast.

MoodyBlumes said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and there are 7 more episodes. I am sure if the choose to take part they will all be featured in future episodes.

Their playing was featured in this episode, along with the statement that they are irrelevant.

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"Irrelevant" wasn't the insinuation used at all here

All in all it is just a fun lighthearted podcast with cool musicians talking about their experiences in this era. Only 1 part of 8 at that too, there is nothing in this podcast that is worth complaining about so much, so what that Wendy and Lisa are talking about the ending of the Revolution in a podcast episode about the ending of the Revolution?

Points have been made, and really it is just tiring seeing it occur in every Wendy and Lisa related thread.

ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Their playing was featured in this episode, along with the statement that they are irrelevant.

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"Irrelevant" wasn't the insinuation used at all here

Allow me to rephrase: "they had nothing to do with any of the music that was on Sign 'O' the Times album."

Miko had just as much to do with 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night' as any of the musicians who played on that song, except for Matt and Eric who co-wrote with Prince. And SOTT is still a Prince album, composed, performed, arranged and produced.

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ForceofNature said:

All in all it is just a fun lighthearted podcast with cool musicians talking about their experiences in this era. Only 1 part of 8 at that too, there is nothing in this podcast that is worth complaining about so much, so what that Wendy and Lisa are talking about the ending of the Revolution in a podcast episode about the ending of the Revolution?

Points have been made, and really it is just tiring seeing it occur in every Wendy and Lisa related thread.

Prince Nintendo is fun and lighthearted:

https://twitter.com/Frank...4546185225

This not so much. Wendy forgot to mention that she quit before the Parade tour, and didn't do much on the album that was released. Nothing like a little embellishment. SOTT was still written, performed, produced and arranged by Prince.

Wendy Melvoin: Brokenhearted. Because at the very end of it, we looked at the credits and it just said, "Thank you, Wendy and Lisa" at the very — the very last credit on the Sign 'O' the Times record, and meanwhile we had done so much work on that record, as you will attest to the deluxe record. So yeah, it was very painful; very painful.

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MoodyBlumes said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am not sure that was what was said...let me go see?

Eric: A lot of people equate all of the stuff that we think of as Sign 'O' the Times stuff with that band with Sheila E on drums and other people, because that was the band that went out and played that music, but they had nothing to do with any of the music that was on Sign 'O' the Times album, at least to my knowledge.

W&L didn't write 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night' - they played on the song as did Miko.

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yeah Eric, Fink, and Prince wrote "... Beautiful Night"

maybe Eric forgot or something... again they have 7 more they can not have everyone on every pod cast.

ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Their playing was featured in this episode, along with the statement that they are irrelevant.

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"Irrelevant" wasn't the insinuation used at all here

I think what he meant was many of thoes songs started out as "and the Revolution" songs...and few if any were recorded (at least the basic tracking) with the band that would come to be in mind.

The pod cast is meant to take us throuh the 2 year process, the journey... it started with the Revolution...

MoodyBlumes said:

ForceofNature said:

All in all it is just a fun lighthearted podcast with cool musicians talking about their experiences in this era. Only 1 part of 8 at that too, there is nothing in this podcast that is worth complaining about so much, so what that Wendy and Lisa are talking about the ending of the Revolution in a podcast episode about the ending of the Revolution?

Points have been made, and really it is just tiring seeing it occur in every Wendy and Lisa related thread.

Prince Nintendo is fun and lighthearted:

https://twitter.com/Frank...4546185225

This not so much. Wendy forgot to mention that she quit before the Parade tour, and didn't do much on the album that was released. Nothing like a little embellishment. SOTT was still written, performed, produced and arranged by Prince.

Wendy Melvoin: Brokenhearted. Because at the very end of it, we looked at the credits and it just said, "Thank you, Wendy and Lisa" at the very — the very last credit on the Sign 'O' the Times record, and meanwhile we had done so much work on that record, as you will attest to the deluxe record. So yeah, it was very painful; very painful.

Did she? Source? kind of like how Prince retired from live shows after Purple Rain?


Wendy may have said she was going to leave but she didn't she was fired at the end of the Parade tour.

Wendy and Lisa put a LOT into many of the songs that ended up on SOTT and Prince just (for the most part) ignored it. He removed some, re-recorded some, and left some un-credited.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Wendy and Lisa were being respectful of the confidentiality agreements they signed. The SOTT album contains Prince's songs -- from his own creative input -- his melodies, lyrics, embellishments, vision, production and arrangement.

Sorry, I don't remember the first W&L album, or the 2nd one. So Matt Fink and Bobby Z are nobodies? Well you may be right if we consider that Matt co-wrote 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night', with Prince, and didn't say a word on this podcast; nothing from Bobby either.

Wendy and Lisa quit before the Parade Tour - seems Miko, Levi, and the new direction Prince was going in, didn't float their boat. Remind me why Miko wasn't interviewed in this podcast given that he also played on 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'?

With or without a NDA they were respectful.

Yes for sure Prince was the main creative force but W and L were a major help and a majpr creative influence. There is an interview that I believe was made before about the Parade album and Wendy or Lisa said something like that Prince did not really know Musical Theory (like he could not sight read music very well if at all) in any formal manner but it just came natural. When asked about some of the cord changes W or L said it was him... even if he did not know why it worked.

Their First album is great! "Waterfall" "the Life" (used in a "Dangerous Minds"?) "Honeymoon Express" "Sideshow" and "Song About" (off the top of my head better check)

I meant no disrespect to anyone else... Bobby and Matt are great! But Wendy and Lisa seem to me to be far more talented...far more.

Wendy and Lisa were fired after the Parade Tour. Wendy was talking about it in an interview: she was saying something about how Prince was bring more people into the band and at one show it hit her that it was over for them. I forget who all was asked to stay... I think just Matt (Fink) and Mark (who declined). The others that 'stayed' were in the extended band. (the core being Matt, Mark, Bobby, Wendy, and Lisa).

Miko should be in one of the 7 remaining podcasts... sure he was on tour and he played on "Beautiful night" (hit me in the back). But, he was, as I said, not part of the core band at that time. Maybe he should have been? Maybe he was asked and declined?

So I am sure most of them will be on future episodes... like Brooks, Wally, Jerome, Shelia, Miko, Levi, Cat, and more from Matt, Eric, and Bliss... who did I miss? Or they were at least asked. Was

W&L were not the creative force behind Prince's SOTT. Miko should have been in this episode, because he played on the album song 'It's Gonna Be A Beatiful Night' -- the core band on the SOTT album is Prince.

Glad you enjoyed W&L's albums, but the fact is they had no hits, and barely scratched any chart.

They quit before the Parade tour, so they wouldn't have been too shocked when they were let go at the end of it. Prince set them free to do their own thing, which they did. Do you not think that Prince was a major influence and help to them?

MoodyBlumes said:

Duane Tudahl's 'Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions' can provide some insight as to what Prince was like in the studio.

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yeah many of us have it... and the expanded edition... some of us 'know' him. At least on facebook. I think he has an account here and posts sometmes. But I think he is busy putting the finishing touches on Book 2 (85/86) (most of SOTT was done by the end of 86 with a little work on a song or two and I think "La la la, he he hee" were done in Janury. (weird how the alt vocal take for "La la la..." seems to be missing?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Prince Nintendo is fun and lighthearted:

https://twitter.com/Frank...4546185225

This not so much. Wendy forgot to mention that she quit before the Parade tour, and didn't do much on the album that was released. Nothing like a little embellishment. SOTT was still written, performed, produced and arranged by Prince.

Wendy Melvoin: Brokenhearted. Because at the very end of it, we looked at the credits and it just said, "Thank you, Wendy and Lisa" at the very — the very last credit on the Sign 'O' the Times record, and meanwhile we had done so much work on that record, as you will attest to the deluxe record. So yeah, it was very painful; very painful.

Did she? Source? kind of like how Prince retired from live shows after Purple Rain?


Wendy may have said she was going to leave but she didn't she was fired at the end of the Parade tour.

Wendy and Lisa put a LOT into many of the songs that ended up on SOTT and Prince just (for the most part) ignored it. He removed some, re-recorded some, and left some un-credited.

Okay she didn't forget, she intentionally didn't mention that they wanted to quit before the Parade tour (Per Nilsson, DMSR). You might be surprised at how many people work hard every day, and don't get to dictate to their employers about what they should and shouldn't be using or doing. They wanted to leave before the Parade tour, so Prince set them free at the end of it. The SOTT album was composed, performed, produced and arranged by Prince.

https://www.latimes.com/a...story.html

“He had been working more on his own than usual,” Coleman said about the recording sessions last year for Prince’s latest album, “Sign ‘O’ the Times.” “We weren’t with him in the studio as much.”

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Duane Tudahl's 'Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions' can provide some insight as to what Prince was like in the studio.

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yeah many of us have it... and the expanded edition... some of us 'know' him. At least on facebook. I think he has an account here and posts sometmes. But I think he is busy putting the finishing touches on Book 2 (85/86) (most of SOTT was done by the end of 86 with a little work on a song or two and I think "La la la, he he hee" were done in Janury. (weird how the alt vocal take for "La la la..." seems to be missing?

Exactly, so you have some idea of the kind of work Prince put into SOTT.

onlyforaminute said:

OK, I listened again and I'm even more furious than I was before!

UGH!!! I mean.. she wants to elbow her way into getting credit for this album

The BALLS on her!

Excellent podcast! I really enjoyed this.Can't wait for the other ones.

DotsofU said:

OK, I listened again and I'm even more furious than I was before!

UGH!!! I mean.. she wants to elbow her way into getting credit for this album

The BALLS on her!

Yes speaks volumes, also about the estate which is currently suing Steve Parke for violating his privacy agreement.

Loved the podcast, it was so cool to hear bootleg favourites in such quality. Love Wendy's & Lisa's insight. Some of y'all could give these young twitter stans a run for their money. Looking forward to the next episodes.