Since this is a multi-part podcast, I thought it was quite exciting to hear Wendy and Lisa discuss everything as they understood it. They were clearly a huge part of the thriling hodgepodge that Dream Factory was going to be. They are all over that record, that's for sure. That was my takeaway: the earliest incarnation of SOTT was a very collaborative record with them. When Prince fired them, Lisa and (especially) Wendy were incredibly hurt when he reconstructed some of the songs they'd worked on, kept them uncredited on Strange Relationship and Beautiful Night, and shelved most of their work. My takeaway from this wasn't that Wendy and Lisa are the true auteurs behind this era or SOTT. Just that one possible avenue during this time was to take their collaborations deeper and deeper, and that worked for a while, but (and here was the big twist) Prince had other plans: he fired most everyone. So now, with another 2 or 3 episodes left, I very much doubt Wendy will be starring. Instead, we will get into the lonely but insanely productive, genius-level work Prince did.

I think it's importnat to remember that just because Wendy and Lisa feel like they were crucial to the success of SOTT doesn't mean the podcast itself is endorsing this. Let's not judge it prematurely. I have a sense the other parts will contextualize this one, and show that Prince's wizardry was all-consmuming, the driving force all along.

lustmealways said:

you all deserve bart

Magnificent.

[Edited 8/29/20 22:18pm]

"That was a major switch. These two had apparently been Prince’s most frequent collaborators. “We worked with him more than anyone else,” Coleman said. “For a while we were just about the only people he worked with. We were Prince’s embellishers. We embellished his musical vision.”

https://www.latimes.com/a...story.html

This is my understood version of their era.

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The rumor that was going around back when Purple Rain Deluxe was announced is the the Revolution got a side deal to promote the record.

paraded said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

HamsterHuey said:

emesem said:

This is wonderful. Sigh what could have been. The SD version of all my dreams sounds awesome. A fully realized Dream factory may hav been even better than SOTT. Omg that Power Fantastic live track. I’m shaking.

It's the same as the released version, except Prince obviously redid the vocals. Maybe without Susan Rogers being around. It's ALWAYS lovely to hear his voice, but the released vocal of Power Fantastic has wayyyy more layers to it.
Same as with Forever; the released version is superior, which does not take anything away from this newly released version, which is awesome as well, just not as spectacular as the album version.
I do wish they'd included the extended album version of Forever....

I want to hear the isolated vocals!

Wonderful Day sounds different to me.

As to the post-rev band: I am thinking that the SOTT band will be in the later podcasts. I think they will talk about the tour and live stuff. I am thinking Cat said something about this. This is just part one of Eight!



to Wendy and Lisa: I think they were very respectful and measured here and have been most of the time since being fired. They just want their due. And this is not new info. I read well before, that they were all over many of those songs and Prince just either removed their parts/redid them... but what he did not do was remove their creative input.

And remember the first W&L album "Song About" the line that always got me "How strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade"? One has to wonder what Prince's catalog would have been if they would have stayed. Such beautiful luck they happened to cross his orbit. When Gayle left and Lisa came in didn't he almost fire her right away? And then Wendy was around and when he asked her to play for him she played... nothing showy...just simple.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Didn’t Sheila E recently state in an interview that she was a musical director for this SOTT? I seem to remember her mentioning the recording of the songs and that there were a lot more things going on in each of the multitracks than you might be able to hear by listening to the song. I wonder if they will talk to her.

she is on the album...hell she was on "U Got the Look" and "It's Gonna Be A Beautful Night" YES she will be (unless she pass on the offer) featured on a later pod cast. There are 7 more to go!

SimonCharles said:

lustmealways said:

you all deserve bart

Magnificent.

[Edited 8/29/20 22:18pm]

I'd rather have piles.

muleFunk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

As to the post-rev band: I am thinking that the SOTT band will be in the later podcasts. I think they will talk about the tour and live stuff. I am thinking Cat said something about this. This is just part one of Eight!



to Wendy and Lisa: I think they were very respectful and measured here and have been most of the time since being fired. They just want their due. And this is not new info. I read well before, that they were all over many of those songs and Prince just either removed their parts/redid them... but what he did not do was remove their creative input.

And remember the first W&L album "Song About" the line that always got me "How strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade"? One has to wonder what Prince's catalog would have been if they would have stayed. Such beautiful luck they happened to cross his orbit. When Gayle left and Lisa came in didn't he almost fire her right away? And then Wendy was around and when he asked her to play for him she played... nothing showy...just simple.

Wendy and Lisa were being respectful of the confidentiality agreements they signed. The SOTT album contains Prince's songs -- from his own creative input -- his melodies, lyrics, embellishments, vision, production and arrangement.

Sorry, I don't remember the first W&L album, or the 2nd one. So Matt Fink and Bobby Z are nobodies? Well you may be right if we consider that Matt co-wrote 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night', with Prince, and didn't say a word on this podcast; nothing from Bobby either.

Wendy and Lisa quit before the Parade Tour - seems Miko, Levi, and the new direction Prince was going in, didn't float their boat. Remind me why Miko wasn't interviewed in this podcast given that he also played on 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'?

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NME01 said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

"At least to my knowledge" Why should I ONLY care about what ERIC Leeds say??? Since when is he the official Prince spokesman on what all of Prince's other bands did or not do? Do you mind that I would like to hear from the SOTT band? Did I hurt your feelings for saying that? Lol. AGAIN... I'd like to hear from the SOTT band. If you don't mind. [Edited 8/29/20 8:38am]

Wasn't Eric’s brother, Alan, Prince’s tour manager? And, being that Eric was in the latter version of The Rev AND in the SOTT band, probably has quite good insights imo.

He didn't have good insights in this podcast - nobody is confusing Matt Blistan with Miles Davis. Susan was the only person who shared about Prince's songwriting -- he wrote melody, lyrics, and was in the 'control room' on Power Fantastic (still not a song on SOTT though, so irrelevant to the actual album).

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ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said:

He didn't have good insights in this podcast. Nobody is confusing Matt Blistan with Miles Davis. Susan was the only person who shared about Prince's songwriting -- he wrote melody, lyrics, and was in the 'control room' on Power Fantastic (still not a song on SOTT though, so irrelevant to the actual album).

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Power Fantastic is relevant to the entire 85-87 era of Prince which this podcast is covering though - in correlation with the SOTT box set which, of course, has not just the SOTT album on it

What is relevant to SOTT is Prince's songwriting, production, playing, arrangement. Had Susan not brought up what Prince did, nobody else would have.

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MoodyBlumes said:

ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said: Power Fantastic is relevant to the entire 85-87 era of Prince which this podcast is covering though - in correlation with the SOTT box set which, of course, has not just the SOTT album on it

What is relevant to SOTT is Prince's songwriting, production, playing, arrangement. Had Susan not brought up what Prince did, nobody else would have.

[Edited 8/30/20 16:18pm]

All of it is relevant to this SOTT box set

ForceofNature said:

Power Fantastic is relevant to the entire 85-87 era of Prince which this podcast is covering though - in correlation with the SOTT box set which, of course, has not just the SOTT album on it. And to the larger point, a lot of this Vault material has W&L on it so to me it is a no-brainer that they discuss this era as well, especially on part 1 of this podcast which is explicitly dedicate to the era of Prince that they were still there for [Edited 8/30/20 16:15pm]

The vault material also has Matt and Bobby on it, in fact Matt co-wrote 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'.

MoodyBlumes said:

ForceofNature said:

Power Fantastic is relevant to the entire 85-87 era of Prince which this podcast is covering though - in correlation with the SOTT box set which, of course, has not just the SOTT album on it. And to the larger point, a lot of this Vault material has W&L on it so to me it is a no-brainer that they discuss this era as well, especially on part 1 of this podcast which is explicitly dedicate to the era of Prince that they were still there for [Edited 8/30/20 16:15pm]

The vault material also has Matt and Bobby on it, in fact Matt co-wrote 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'.

There are 7 other parts to this podcast that they may or may not be on. I am cool with who they featured on part 1

ForceofNature said:

MoodyBlumes said:

What is relevant to SOTT is Prince's songwriting, production, playing, arrangement. Had Susan not brought up what Prince did, nobody else would have.

[Edited 8/30/20 16:18pm]

All of it is relevant to this SOTT box set

The box set should have been entitled 'Vault material'. And a podcast about Prince's SOTT album should be about Prince -- his songwriting, studio work, production, editing, musicianship, etc. Or are the episodes going to be about everything other than the actual album, and continue revolving around everyone except Prince?

[Edited 8/30/20 16:28pm]

Can someone do us a favor and do an analysis of each track of SOTT and tell us which tracks Wendy/Lisa were involved with and what their contribution was according to Prince Vault? Wendy sat there at the Celebration last year and called it a "Revolution Album" like she implied during the podcast. Seems like most of the songs were recorded by himself in mid-late 1986 when the Revolution was almost over and some of the songs were written before Wendy was in the band. No disrespect, but she doesn't have Housequake, Hot Thing, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Adore, SOTT, etc. in her. None of the songs on the album sound anything like the Revolution. I see no receipts for her claims.

paraded said:

Since this is a multi-part podcast, I thought it was quite exciting to hear Wendy and Lisa discuss everything as they understood it. They were clearly a huge part of the thriling hodgepodge that Dream Factory was going to be. They are all over that record, that's for sure. That was my takeaway: the earliest incarnation of SOTT was a very collaborative record with them. When Prince fired them, Lisa and (especially) Wendy were incredibly hurt when he reconstructed some of the songs they'd worked on, kept them uncredited on Strange Relationship and Beautiful Night, and shelved most of their work. My takeaway from this wasn't that Wendy and Lisa are the true auteurs behind this era or SOTT. Just that one possible avenue during this time was to take their collaborations deeper and deeper, and that worked for a while, but (and here was the big twist) Prince had other plans: he fired most everyone. So now, with another 2 or 3 episodes left, I very much doubt Wendy will be starring. Instead, we will get into the lonely but insanely productive, genius-level work Prince did.

I think it's importnat to remember that just because Wendy and Lisa feel like they were crucial to the success of SOTT doesn't mean the podcast itself is endorsing this. Let's not judge it prematurely. I have a sense the other parts will contextualize this one, and show that Prince's wizardry was all-consmuming, the driving force all along.

They have already set the tone, and if they didn't endorse this, it wouldn't be in the podcast.

There is plenty of Prince in there, but since Prince is dead of course we are left with his colleques talking about their part in it all. I just am failing to see what the big issue is here, as far as I am concerned it sounds more like a nipicking issue than an issue with the actual content, no?


I just see a big deal being made out of nothing

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MoodyBlumes said:

ForceofNature said:

All of it is relevant to this SOTT box set

The box set should have been entitled 'Vault material'. And a podcast about Prince's SOTT album should be about Prince -- his songwriting, studio work, production, editing, musicianship, etc. Or are the episodes going to be about everything other than the actual album, and continue revolving around everyone except Prince?

[Edited 8/30/20 16:28pm]

I think it would have been very appropriate to frame the podcast in terms of their contributions to the vault material that is being released on the expanded release. There are several "Revolution" songs that are included in the package and those songs are a very important part of the story of how SOTT evolved. I think that was the intent. Unfortunately, it became a SOTT is a Revolution album narrative, which is a lie. I can't say I love Prince and let those lies to fly.

[Edited 8/30/20 16:34pm]

donnyenglish said:

Can someone do us a favor and do an analysis of each track of SOTT and tell us which tracks Wendy/Lisa were involved with and what their contribution was according to Prince Vault? Wendy sat there at the Celebration last year and called it a "Revolution Album" like she implied during the podcast. Seems like most of the songs were recorded by himself in mid-late 1986 when the Revolution was almost over and some of the songs were written before Wendy was in the band. No disrespect, but she doesn't have Housequake, Hot Thing, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Adore, SOTT, etc. in her. None of the songs on the album sound anything like the Revolution. I see no receipts for her claims.

An artist doesn't need receipts for his copyrighted work. Do you know about the writer Dorothy Parker?

From Ballade of Unfortunate Mammals:

Prince, a precept I'd leave for you,
Coined in Eden, existing yet:
Skirt the parlor, and shun the zoo-
Women and elephants never forget.

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donnyenglish said:

Can someone do us a favor and do an analysis of each track of SOTT and tell us which tracks Wendy/Lisa were involved with and what their contribution was according to Prince Vault? Wendy sat there at the Celebration last year and called it a "Revolution Album" like she implied during the podcast. Seems like most of the songs were recorded by himself in mid-late 1986 when the Revolution was almost over and some of the songs were written before Wendy was in the band. No disrespect, but she doesn't have Housequake, Hot Thing, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Adore, SOTT, etc. in her. None of the songs on the album sound anything like the Revolution. I see no receipts for her claims.

this is entirely true, but god almighty you all have been insufferable verbalizing your (somewhat valid) complaints. we get it. we got it the last thousand times. take it up with wendy and lisa if you want real change.

MoodyBlumes said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

As to the post-rev band: I am thinking that the SOTT band will be in the later podcasts. I think they will talk about the tour and live stuff. I am thinking Cat said something about this. This is just part one of Eight!



to Wendy and Lisa: I think they were very respectful and measured here and have been most of the time since being fired. They just want their due. And this is not new info. I read well before, that they were all over many of those songs and Prince just either removed their parts/redid them... but what he did not do was remove their creative input.

And remember the first W&L album "Song About" the line that always got me "How strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade"? One has to wonder what Prince's catalog would have been if they would have stayed. Such beautiful luck they happened to cross his orbit. When Gayle left and Lisa came in didn't he almost fire her right away? And then Wendy was around and when he asked her to play for him she played... nothing showy...just simple.

Wendy and Lisa were being respectful of the confidentiality agreements they signed. The SOTT album contains Prince's songs -- from his own creative input -- his melodies, lyrics, embellishments, vision, production and arrangement.

Sorry, I don't remember the first W&L album, or the 2nd one. So Matt Fink and Bobby Z are nobodies? Well you may be right if we consider that Matt co-wrote 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night', with Prince, and didn't say a word on this podcast; nothing from Bobby either.

Wendy and Lisa quit before the Parade Tour - seems Miko, Levi, and the new direction Prince was going in, didn't float their boat. Remind me why Miko wasn't interviewed in this podcast given that he also played on 'It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night'?

With or without a NDA they were respectful.

Yes for sure Prince was the main creative force but W and L were a major help and a majpr creative influence. There is an interview that I believe was made before about the Parade album and Wendy or Lisa said something like that Prince did not really know Musical Theory (like he could not sight read music very well if at all) in any formal manner but it just came natural. When asked about some of the cord changes W or L said it was him... even if he did not know why it worked.

Their First album is great! "Waterfall" "the Life" (used in a "Dangerous Minds"?) "Honeymoon Express" "Sideshow" and "Song About" (off the top of my head better check)

I meant no disrespect to anyone else... Bobby and Matt are great! But Wendy and Lisa seem to me to be far more talented...far more.

Wendy and Lisa were fired after the Parade Tour. Wendy was talking about it in an interview: she was saying something about how Prince was bring more people into the band and at one show it hit her that it was over for them. I forget who all was asked to stay... I think just Matt (Fink) and Mark (who declined). The others that 'stayed' were in the extended band. (the core being Matt, Mark, Bobby, Wendy, and Lisa).

Miko should be in one of the 7 remaining podcasts... sure he was on tour and he played on "Beautiful night" (hit me in the back). But, he was, as I said, not part of the core band at that time. Maybe he should have been? Maybe he was asked and declined?

So I am sure most of them will be on future episodes... like Brooks, Wally, Jerome, Shelia, Miko, Levi, Cat, and more from Matt, Eric, and Bliss... who did I miss? Or they were at least asked. Was

lustmealways said: