violetcrush said:

Quotes from Lisa and Wendy during this podcast:

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Andrea Swensson: So I would love to hear more about that "stuff" that you said Prince would ask you to put on his songs. Can you just describe a little bit of that musical collaboration between you and Wendy and the way that that came into play in Prince's music in this time?

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Lisa Coleman: Well, I think Wendy and I were just so motivated, inspired and happy to be where we were, working with Prince, and that he had come to the point to trust us so much. You know, we'd jam constantly every day and that builds like this love intimacy thing between all of us and — we would do everything in the studio. Wendy and I would get into the studio, and we were just so inspired we would try everything from let's put a bass part on to doing like patty-cake rhymes and things from our childhood that we'd think of, and it's like "Oh, let's just throw this thing on there," and Prince was like "What was that?" We were just having fun.

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Wendy Melvoin: To be as young as I was at the time, and to be that productive, um, was an honorable feeling. And to do it with the person that I was in love with — my girlfriend — and to also be doing it with the artist who I felt was the most important artist of my generation other than two others that I had revered as much was Joni Mitchell and David Bowie. So those three people, and to have me be a part of that every time I stepped back and sort of satellited myself in the room. I had my moments in the quiet moments of the night after a project was done and you'd listen back to your work — and what you know your input was and what made him happy and what made him feel inspired — gave me so much energy and motivation to keep at what I was doing. I felt like my voice was important. And it was even stronger because my musical collaboration with Lisa was so strong at that time. Our sound as a duo was so strong at that point — it still is very strong now. It's almost rarified now; back then, it was used for good.

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VO: There are 63 unreleased tracks being released from the vault this fall, a large portion of the material was written with significant input from Wendy and Lisa. These recordings showcase just how unique and powerful their voices were to Prince's expanding sound.

**Key parts bolded for those trying to argue that Lisa, and especially Wendy - do not have anything positive to say about their time with Prince.

Saying something positive is not what is expected at a posthumous retrospective of a legend's work.

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Larry Williams who played sax on Glamorous life shared about being in the studio with Prince.

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more and more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically. There was no wasted time on this, no tripping, no anything... there were no frills, except on his shirt!

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It was just he and I in the room and that was unusual. He wasn't an engineer and wasn't pretending to be. He just liked the intimacy and having no distractions with anyone else around. He just liked the focus of him being in there by himself, and when he needed something technical, he'd just get on the phone and call."

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And what a career Larry has had! - http://willyworldmusic.com/

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Quotes from Lisa and Wendy during this podcast:

*

Andrea Swensson: So I would love to hear more about that "stuff" that you said Prince would ask you to put on his songs. Can you just describe a little bit of that musical collaboration between you and Wendy and the way that that came into play in Prince's music in this time?

*

Lisa Coleman: Well, I think Wendy and I were just so motivated, inspired and happy to be where we were, working with Prince, and that he had come to the point to trust us so much. You know, we'd jam constantly every day and that builds like this love intimacy thing between all of us and — we would do everything in the studio. Wendy and I would get into the studio, and we were just so inspired we would try everything from let's put a bass part on to doing like patty-cake rhymes and things from our childhood that we'd think of, and it's like "Oh, let's just throw this thing on there," and Prince was like "What was that?" We were just having fun.

*

Wendy Melvoin: To be as young as I was at the time, and to be that productive, um, was an honorable feeling. And to do it with the person that I was in love with — my girlfriend — and to also be doing it with the artist who I felt was the most important artist of my generation other than two others that I had revered as much was Joni Mitchell and David Bowie. So those three people, and to have me be a part of that every time I stepped back and sort of satellited myself in the room. I had my moments in the quiet moments of the night after a project was done and you'd listen back to your work — and what you know your input was and what made him happy and what made him feel inspired — gave me so much energy and motivation to keep at what I was doing. I felt like my voice was important. And it was even stronger because my musical collaboration with Lisa was so strong at that time. Our sound as a duo was so strong at that point — it still is very strong now. It's almost rarified now; back then, it was used for good.

*

VO: There are 63 unreleased tracks being released from the vault this fall, a large portion of the material was written with significant input from Wendy and Lisa. These recordings showcase just how unique and powerful their voices were to Prince's expanding sound.

**Key parts bolded for those trying to argue that Lisa, and especially Wendy - do not have anything positive to say about their time with Prince.

Saying something positive is not what is expected at a posthumous retrospective of a legend's work.

.

Larry Williams who played sax on Glamorous life shared about being in the studio with Prince.

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more and more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically. There was no wasted time on this, no tripping, no anything... there were no frills, except on his shirt!

.

It was just he and I in the room and that was unusual. He wasn't an engineer and wasn't pretending to be. He just liked the intimacy and having no distractions with anyone else around. He just liked the focus of him being in there by himself, and when he needed something technical, he'd just get on the phone and call."

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And what a career Larry has had! - http://willyworldmusic.com/

Um....right - which is exaclty what I was highlighting in my post above. Not really sure how a quote from Larry Williams, who had a playing session with Prince, has anything to do with Wendy and Lisa's praise of Prince as a musician and how grateful they were to have had the experience of playing with him for several years.

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But, okay.....deflect away.....

Shannon319 said:

No one is disputing Power Fantastic's origins lie with Lisa (I am not disputing that W and L are super talented women either). Although I think we need to hear Lisa's original so we can get a better idea how much Prince or others added.

But it is more what they chose to focus on. Wendy once did an interview about SOTT and basically she implied that the only song Prince wrote without them was the title song. The argument that songs of his came from jams implies that the band helped to write all but one of the songs he released on that album.. Do you believe that? That he couldn't and didn't at that time come up with vocal melodies and accompaniment without them helping him do so in jams? Do they deserve credits for I could never take the place of your man even though it was written in 79 and there is proof of that? Remember this is a guy who didn't write down his music, didn't read music, and couldn't sleep until he got stuff out of his head and on record.

I think they deserve credit for the stuff they did on Dream Factory and for the accompaniment, arranging or production that he shelved. But he wrote the songs and he often led the jams. So even if jam sessions led to songs, they need to be specific about that stuff. He was the boss. He was the genius behind his music. Even if they brought their sensibilities, he knew when he hired them that hired two S. California hippie types who would bring those sensibilities.. I am tired of people implying that Prince was a blank slate that everyone else colored on.

Here's another harp. The whole Prince needed to be told about Jazz, the Beatles, Joni Mitchell and Dorothy Parker by his associates in the mid 80's? That shit makes no sense. His dad was a jazz musician. He grew up listening to "white" radio so of course he's heard some Beatles, Joni Mitchell references are early in his career and MN friends of his loved her too as a kid, Dorothy Parker was known for her wit and wrote poems with Ballade in the title and she referenced a "prince" in one of them...all those references in his song and yet he has never heard of her?

They talk about everything they taught him musically and culturally. But other than dressing up and work effort, when have they talked about what he taught them musically or culturally?

violetcrush said:

But it wasn't just Wendy and Lisa. Susan Rogers was also providing tons of input. And the reason Wendy and Lisa were more of the focus is because they were the two in the band that Prince was recording with more frequently. They did discuss an example of the input - Power Fantastic came about from Lisa's piano recording she had done during her time with Wendy and Susan at the London studio while Prince was finishing filming UTCM. Susan Rogers stated point blank that it was Lisa's piano piece that Prince worked off of to write the lyrics and melody for the song. Matt Fink confirmed It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night stemmed from the band's jam session while in Europe. It's not like they had a set time schedule for input, and were writing every detail down on paper. The whole band has stated that a lot of ideas for songs came as a result of rehearsal jams. Lisa also stated that Prince would send tapes back and forth to them and they would add their parts to basic ideas that came from Prince - piano, guitar and/or drums. So, how do you nail down every detail of something like that?? I don't think any of them were keeping a dated log of their musical input.

Dorothy Parker referenced 'Prince' in several of her Ballades. She also wrote things like 'Arrangement in Black and White'.

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From Ballade of a Talked off Ear:

Prince or commoner, tenor or bass,
Painter or plumber or never-do-well,
Do me a favor and shut your face
Poets alone should kiss and tell.

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From Ballade of Unfortunate Mammals:

Prince, a precept I'd leave for you,
Coined in Eden, existing yet:
Skirt the parlor, and shun the zoo-
Women and elephants never forget.

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From Ballade of a Geat Weariness:

Oh, beggar or prince, no more, no more!
Be off and away with your strut and show.
The sweeter the apple, the blacker the core:
Scratch a lover, and find a foe!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/...thy_Parker

Dorothy Parker (née Rothschild; August 22, 1893 – June 7, 1967) was an American poet, writer, critic, and satirist based in New York; she was best known for her wit, wisecracks, and eye for 20th-century urban foibles.

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Saying something positive is not what is expected at a posthumous retrospective of a legend's work.

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Larry Williams who played sax on Glamorous life shared about being in the studio with Prince.

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more and more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically. There was no wasted time on this, no tripping, no anything... there were no frills, except on his shirt!

.

It was just he and I in the room and that was unusual. He wasn't an engineer and wasn't pretending to be. He just liked the intimacy and having no distractions with anyone else around. He just liked the focus of him being in there by himself, and when he needed something technical, he'd just get on the phone and call."

.

And what a career Larry has had! - http://willyworldmusic.com/

Um....right - which is exaclty what I was highlighting in my post above. Not really sure how a quote from Larry Williams, who had a playing session with Prince, has anything to do with Wendy and Lisa's praise of Prince as a musician and how grateful they were to have had the experience of playing with him for several years.

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But, okay.....deflect away.....

Larry Williams shared about Prince in the studio. Check out his resume! He calls that session one of the highlights of his career.

[Edited 9/3/20 20:58pm]

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Um....right - which is exaclty what I was highlighting in my post above. Not really sure how a quote from Larry Williams, who had a playing session with Prince, has anything to do with Wendy and Lisa's praise of Prince as a musician and how grateful they were to have had the experience of playing with him for several years.

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But, okay.....deflect away.....

Larry Williams shared about Prince in the studio. Check out his resume! He calls that session one of the highlights of his career.

[Edited 9/3/20 20:58pm]

Wendy Melvoin: To be as young as I was at the time, and to be that productive, um, was an honorable feeling. And to do it with the person that I was in love with — my girlfriend — and to also be doing it with the artist who I felt was the most important artist of my generation other than two others that I had revered as much was Joni Mitchell and David Bowie. So those three people, and to have me be a part of that every time I stepped back and sort of satellited myself in the room

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Larry Williams shared about Prince in the studio. Check out his resume! He calls that session one of the highlights of his career.

[Edited 9/3/20 20:58pm]

Wendy Melvoin: To be as young as I was at the time, and to be that productive, um, was an honorable feeling. And to do it with the person that I was in love with — my girlfriend — and to also be doing it with the artist who I felt was the most important artist of my generation other than two others that I had revered as much was Joni Mitchell and David Bowie. So those three people, and to have me be a part of that every time I stepped back and sort of satellited myself in the room

A whole podcast introducing Sign O the Times... not good enough.

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Wendy Melvoin: To be as young as I was at the time, and to be that productive, um, was an honorable feeling. And to do it with the person that I was in love with — my girlfriend — and to also be doing it with the artist who I felt was the most important artist of my generation other than two others that I had revered as much was Joni Mitchell and David Bowie. So those three people, and to have me be a part of that every time I stepped back and sort of satellited myself in the room

A whole podcast introducing Sign O the Times... not good enough.

OMG....just GO AWAY!!! You are the epitome of a troll on this thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?? Your unjustified and bizarre vitriol toward Wendy is blatant and absurd.

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

A whole podcast introducing Sign O the Times... not good enough.

OMG....just GO AWAY!!! You are the epitome of a troll on this thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?? Your unjustified and bizarre vitriol toward Wendy is blatant and absurd.

Because I would expect a podcast about Sign O the Times to be meaningful and insightful about Prince and his art? Larry Williams shared meaningful information about Prince in the studio, saying he's great is something any fan can do.

[Edited 9/4/20 9:12am]

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

OMG....just GO AWAY!!! You are the epitome of a troll on this thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?? Your unjustified and bizarre vitriol toward Wendy is blatant and absurd.

Because I would expect a podcast about Sign O the Times to be meaningful and insightful about Prince and his art? Larry Williams shared meaningful information about Prince in the studio, saying he's great is something any fan can do.

[Edited 9/4/20 9:12am]

Interesting how you seem to be the only one continuing to post in a way that criticizes, diminishes, and/or disrespects Wendy & Lisa's contributions to both this podcast and their work with Prince in general. Again, your bizarre vitriol toward them is glaringly obvious. Move on.

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

violetcrush said:

Interesting how you seem to be the only one continuing to post in a way that criticizes, diminishes, and/or disrespects Wendy & Lisa's contributions to both this podcast and their work with Prince in general. Again, your bizarre vitriol toward them is glaringly obvious. Move on.

You are the one continuing, what have you shared that is relevant to Prince's contrubution to his work? By the way... Madhouse is Prince!

"Doin' the gaslight, gaslight, doin' the gaslight...I ain't crazy!"

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Compliments of Susannah and fDeluxe

Do we have any idea of what Part 3 is about?

Hopefully things will move forward and we can put the disagreement about W&L behind us.

I mean, does anyone really want to read my opinion about it one more time?

No.

Lets hope we get more great nuggets about him very soonl

DotsofU said:

Do we have any idea of what Part 3 is about?

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Like they say at the end of podcast part 2, the next one is all about the song Sign Of The Times. Can't wait to hear it!

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Eric Leeds on "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (with horns)" :

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"Holy cow! That is one thing I don't have a copy of. I'm interested in listening.

Prince came to me one day and asked me to just put a horn arrangement on it.

And I was surprised because that — we all just considered that to be a gem, to just be a perfect little boutique kind of son.

And my brother came up with the characterization of certain kind of Prince songs that were referred to as boutique songs — things that are just really just so distinctively Prince, but otherwise not really easily categorized.

And I think that's kind of the quintessential boutique Prince song from my perspective.

I didn't think it needed anything.

But if Prince is asking me to do that, it's a compliment to the fact that he even considers that there might be something I could add to it that could have value.

When he did not use the version with the horns, I was not surprised."

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Musicians respect or honesty amonst eachother.

Although I'm pretty much getting wild and allexcited to hear that.

I think i'm more interested in things Prince did not like.

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DotsofU said:

Do we have any idea of what Part 3 is about?

Hopefully things will move forward and we can put the disagreement about W&L behind us.

I mean, does anyone really want to read my opinion about it one more time?

No.

Lets hope we get more great nuggets about him very soonl

I believe Duane Tudahl will be interviewed on #3. They gave a snippet of audio for the next one, and he is speaking. I would think they will begin to bring in the SOTT band members, as Prince was assembling the group by the end of '86.

violetcrush said:

DotsofU said:

Do we have any idea of what Part 3 is about?

Hopefully things will move forward and we can put the disagreement about W&L behind us.

I mean, does anyone really want to read my opinion about it one more time?

No.

Lets hope we get more great nuggets about him very soonl

I believe Duane Tudahl will be interviewed on #3. They gave a snippet of audio for the next one, and he is speaking. I would think they will begin to bring in the SOTT band members, as Prince was assembling the group by the end of '86.

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