I'm sure this has been covered already in earlier threads, but I can't find it anywhere, so forgive me for starting a new one.

I'm just wondering what's happening with all the vault material that wasn't recorded during the Warner years?

Warner's putting out these lovely SDE's with a lot of new (old) material, while Sony's putting out a lot af albums that really needed vinyl editions (which is great for us vinyl freaks), but without any previously released material. Why is that? I'm guessing they don't have the rights to do it, but then who has them?

Oh, and an additional - somewhat related - question: How come "Chaos and Disorder" was re-released by Sony when it was originally a Warner album?

And again: sorry if this was already discussed somewhere else. Any pointers to an exhisting thread about it, is greatly appreciated!

garneren said:

Oh, and an additional - somewhat related - question: How come "Chaos and Disorder" was re-released by Sony when it was originally a Warner album?

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Top-right of this site: search box. Use it.

This covers much of it

https://variety.com/2018/...202858666/

It'll happen when it happens.

jaawwnn said:

This covers much of it

https://variety.com/2018/...202858666/

It'll happen when it happens.

I don't really see the answer to my question in that link though. I know that Sony will take over most of the Warner rights next year, but that doesn't explain why Sony has only released already released material and no post-1996 vault material yet. Or am I missing something?

garneren said:

jaawwnn said:

This covers much of it

https://variety.com/2018/...202858666/

It'll happen when it happens.

I don't really see the answer to my question in that link though. I know that Sony will take over most of the Warner rights next year, but that doesn't explain why Sony has only released already released material and no post-1996 vault material yet. Or am I missing something?

I don't think anyone knows for sure in all honesty.

According to the announcement, the agreement also includes rights to “other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.”
However, the announcement includes no mention of unreleased material or Prince’s much-vaunted “Vault” containing thousands of unreleased recordings

I don't follow the legal threads as close as some but last time i looked into it it's still not all in the open, as above.

Considering they're already cutting corners with some of the reissues (i.e. Rave and One Nite Alone) don't expect to start hearing outtakes from the Rainbow Children anytime soon.

Sony's deal only covered previously released material.

The Estate owns all the rights for post-Warner vault tracks and haven't worked out a deal for them yet.

jaawwnn said:

Considering they're already cutting corners with some of the reissues (i.e. Rave and One Nite Alone) don't expect to start hearing outtakes from the Rainbow Children anytime soon.

Which corners?

garneren said:

jaawwnn said:

This covers much of it

https://variety.com/2018/...202858666/

It'll happen when it happens.

I don't really see the answer to my question in that link though. I know that Sony will take over most of the Warner rights next year, but that doesn't explain why Sony has only released already released material and no post-1996 vault material yet. Or am I missing something?

For goodness sake,use the search box instead of trying to start an interesting discussion!

I am so curious about the variety of vault tracks that we don't have any idea about post 1993 till the end. I have a feeling there is so much. I've heard an account of an entire album sequenced of material recorded over a marathon 4 day/night session... material we don't know about... from a person who was doing a temp gig at Paisley Park.

trickyjoe7777 said:

Strive said:

garneren said:

Strive said:

Sony's deal only covered previously released material.

The Estate owns all the rights for post-Warner vault tracks and haven't worked out a deal for them yet.

Cheers! Where did you get this information?

It's more like "in the absence of any information regarding this, it's the only reasonable thing that can be deduced". Obviously the estate wasn't going to have a press release saying "we haven't made any deal with any label regarding post WB era unreleased material", no hard math.

TBH all we know about the status of WB era unreleased material, beyond the fact that the estate released some of it with WB so far, is what one orger told us, apparently from a source from WB France he knows, i.e. that WB has an exclusive right of first release for the material.

Long story short: there is little to tell so far but you can bet that a year from now we'll know more

BTW guys there's no capital letter to "estate". It's not a proper noun, just an estate.

databank said:

TwiliteKid said:

databank said:

BTW guys there's no capital letter to "estate". It's not a proper noun, just an estate.

The Prince Estate is a registered business entity. Referring to it informally as the Estate is not incorrect.

It is? Ah OK I didn't know, my bad.

I'd like a formal statement as to what exists out of them.

Tell us there are such and such number of finished albums, this amount of one of recordings they can't link to a project yet, say there are this amount of uncatalogued tapes. What can we anticipate?

this is where the real gold will be

garneren said:

Strive said:

Sony's deal only covered previously released material.

The Estate owns all the rights for post-Warner vault tracks and haven't worked out a deal for them yet.

Cheers! Where did you get this information?

The Prince Estate gives all their first run information to Variety. So when Variety reports that the Sony deal doesn't include post WB vault material, that's the truth.

Also, considering that the Estate licensed the full post WB discography to Sony, that implies that the Estate owns the rights to all of post WB material. I couldn't see how they have the rights to the studio albums while the vault material is in some grey state. That doesn't make any sense.

(And before Bart or somebody jumps on me. Yes, I know that AoA and PE aren't free yet. They will be.)

[Edited 8/15/20 19:30pm]

TwiliteKid said:

jaawwnn said:

Considering they're already cutting corners with some of the reissues (i.e. Rave and One Nite Alone) don't expect to start hearing outtakes from the Rainbow Children anytime soon.

Which corners?

I want to buy One Nite Alone on CD and Rave In2 the Joy Fantastic on CD because I do not have them on CD. I do not want to rebuy albums I already have on CD, nor do I want to buy any DVDs I already own. They're cutting corners by not giving these things the separate release they originally received.

[Edited 8/17/20 2:45am]

anyone trying to wade through all princes post-WB vault songs will deserve an award.

i wonder if he was still recording as much as he did in the 80s? if so, it will need a much bigger effort, as its likely that the highs arent as many, and its prob fair to say princes quality overall dipped in the last few decades. but im sure there are many songs better than what he released, seeing as his judgement of what was good/would be popular seemed to undergo some strange processes as he got older, and went (semi) independent.