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Reply #30 posted 08/19/20 8:10am

savagedreams

VaultCurator said:

but I doubt I’d ever pass a blind test.

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i doubt anyone could.

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Reply #31 posted 08/19/20 2:20pm

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A lot of people get mixed up with the fact that their receiver, connections, or computer system (sound card/processor) is actually downconverting high resolution audio files before they hit the headphones or speakers.

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Reply #32 posted 08/19/20 3:01pm

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ufoclub said:

A lot of people get mixed up with the fact that their receiver, connections, or computer system (sound card/processor) is actually downconverting high resolution audio files before they hit the headphones or speakers.

Exacty this. Comparing a high res flac on a proper set up with the same file as MP3 320 on an iphone and PC and the difference is like night and day, to me

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Reply #33 posted 08/20/20 8:14am

JoeyCococo

Revolution81 said:



ufoclub said:


A lot of people get mixed up with the fact that their receiver, connections, or computer system (sound card/processor) is actually downconverting high resolution audio files before they hit the headphones or speakers.





Exacty this. Comparing a high res flac on a proper set up with the same file as MP3 320 on an iphone and PC and the difference is like night and day, to me




Any time I have been 'blown away' by a higher res recording, I have suspected that the release was tinkered with to sweeten the sound
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Reply #34 posted 08/20/20 9:48am

Revolution81

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JoeyCococo said:

Revolution81 said:

Exacty this. Comparing a high res flac on a proper set up with the same file as MP3 320 on an iphone and PC and the difference is like night and day, to me

Any time I have been 'blown away' by a higher res recording, I have suspected that the release was tinkered with to sweeten the sound

OK.

I buy all my Hi Res audio from authorised sites so I never have those suspicions

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Reply #35 posted 08/20/20 5:50pm

steakfinger

There are enormous differences to me, but I'm a musician and engineer. My ears are trained. The HD versions are much clearer, but not everyone will hear it. The equipment you listen to it on will make a difference, too.

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Reply #36 posted 08/21/20 3:28am

Madhouse6

Add a DAC to your iPhone and then the headphones to the DAC and you’ll get a much improved sound
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Reply #37 posted 08/22/20 2:55am

udo

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Add a DAC to your iPhone and then the headphones to the DAC and you’ll get a much improved sound

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Puhlease!
Why mix in the ' i phone' meme here as well?

Can't you see one has proper gear for each task and not just a swiss pocketknife?

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Reply #38 posted 08/24/20 4:08pm

ThePersian

What would be great and really helpful would be to have the details on exactly which Hi-Rez albums and tracks have been officially released; on what bit rate / kHz configurations; when; and from what master. As there have been no SACDs released, that's one less format to factor in.

Ideally the info could be added to the Princevault website entries for each release.
HD tracks has shut down in the UK, so if anyone has any suggestions on where this stuff can be purchased that would lovely too.

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Reply #39 posted 08/24/20 9:38pm

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ThePersian said:

What would be great and really helpful would be to have the details on exactly which Hi-Rez albums and tracks have been officially released; on what bit rate / kHz configurations; when; and from what master. As there have been no SACDs released, that's one less format to factor in.

Ideally the info could be added to the Princevault website entries for each release.
HD tracks has shut down in the UK, so if anyone has any suggestions on where this stuff can be purchased that would lovely too.

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We have the internet to go to hdtracks elsewhere.

I am aware of the old albums up to Parade in 192/24.

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Reply #40 posted 08/25/20 12:03am

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I got a copy of "Piano and Microphone 1983" in 16 & 24 bit.
With earphones on I can play 2 identical songs, shuffle
them without looking and disipher which one is 24 bit.
Of course by comparing them both. The difference is minimal, almost unnoticeable.

I an no trained expert, but I can tell lossless to lossy, again by comparing files by ear.

I dont own an high end player. I might never, who knows lol
I'm totally fine with 16bit, but if I could get my hands on 24bit copies, they would go nice with my collection
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Reply #41 posted 08/25/20 2:45am

udo

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FragileUndertow said:

I got a copy of "Piano and Microphone 1983" in 16 & 24 bit. With earphones on I can play 2 identical songs, shuffle them without looking and disipher which one is 24 bit. Of course by comparing them both. The difference is minimal, almost unnoticeable. I an no trained expert, but I can tell lossless to lossy, again by comparing files by ear. I dont own an high end player. I might never, who knows lol I'm totally fine with 16bit, but if I could get my hands on 24bit copies, they would go nice with my collection

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Ability to discern 24-bit depends on player, amp, speakers, person listening, etc.

Higher samplertates are more clear to perceive.

Is P&M available in 192/24? (I guess not)

Udo

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Reply #42 posted 08/26/20 7:11am

JoeyCococo

Revolution81 said:

JoeyCococo said:

Revolution81 said: Any time I have been 'blown away' by a higher res recording, I have suspected that the release was tinkered with to sweeten the sound

OK.

I buy all my Hi Res audio from authorised sites so I never have those suspicions

I was not clear, I am saying that the hi res releases may be boosted somehow to ensure people hear something diff. It's been a rare occurrence where the format seemed to have really brought more out in the recording.....Cowboy Junkies' Trinity Sessions was a great sounding CD but when the SACD came out, I couldn't believe how much more detail was brought out. The count down before 'Sweet Jane' was clear on the SACD, not as much on the CD despite it sounding amazing.

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Reply #43 posted 08/26/20 7:14am

JoeyCococo

FragileUndertow said:

I got a copy of "Piano and Microphone 1983" in 16 & 24 bit. With earphones on I can play 2 identical songs, shuffle them without looking and disipher which one is 24 bit. Of course by comparing them both. The difference is minimal, almost unnoticeable. I an no trained expert, but I can tell lossless to lossy, again by comparing files by ear. I dont own an high end player. I might never, who knows lol I'm totally fine with 16bit, but if I could get my hands on 24bit copies, they would go nice with my collection

This is hard to believe...I have a pretty fantastic DAC (Benchmark DAC2), a great ampifier and some really revelaing speakers and I get nothing more out of the 24BIT P&M vs the 16BIT. I DO, however, get more out of the 24BIT Originals copy. That was the only time I've ever heard more on a Prince 24 bit release.

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Reply #44 posted 08/26/20 11:34am

FragileUnderto
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JoeyCococo said:



FragileUndertow said:


I got a copy of "Piano and Microphone 1983" in 16 & 24 bit. With earphones on I can play 2 identical songs, shuffle them without looking and disipher which one is 24 bit. Of course by comparing them both. The difference is minimal, almost unnoticeable. I an no trained expert, but I can tell lossless to lossy, again by comparing files by ear. I dont own an high end player. I might never, who knows lol I'm totally fine with 16bit, but if I could get my hands on 24bit copies, they would go nice with my collection



This is hard to believe...I have a pretty fantastic DAC (Benchmark DAC2), a great ampifier and some really revelaing speakers and I get nothing more out of the 24BIT P&M vs the 16BIT. I DO, however, get more out of the 24BIT Originals copy. That was the only time I've ever heard more on a Prince 24 bit release.


To be fare
I only compared 3 different tracks, 3 times each one (around 10 times in all)
Shockingly even to myself I was right every time, perhaps it was just luck.
I've never tried to compare any other 16/24bit tracks, and I doubt I want to try
lol

The few that I did try pretty much sound identical, but on the 24bit his vocals are a bit clearer, but nothing dramatic. It's almost unnoticable
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
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Reply #45 posted 08/27/20 8:08am

ThePersian

udo said:

ThePersian said:

What would be great and really helpful would be to have the details on exactly which Hi-Rez albums and tracks have been officially released; on what bit rate / kHz configurations; when; and from what master. As there have been no SACDs released, that's one less format to factor in.

Ideally the info could be added to the Princevault website entries for each release.
HD tracks has shut down in the UK, so if anyone has any suggestions on where this stuff can be purchased that would lovely too.

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We have the internet to go to hdtracks elsewhere.

I am aware of the old albums up to Parade in 192/24.

That's odd because I been looking to buy them for years and the only one I could find was the Prince / Prince album. At one point I did contact a vendor and they told me that (ATWIAD) had reached it sales limit with them and they were only licensed to sell a certain number of downloads. I assume it was the case with the other albums too.

If you can point me in the direction of any HD vendor that has them for sale in the UK that would be awesome, just PM me.

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Reply #46 posted 08/27/20 9:13am

udo

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ThePersian said:

udo said:

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We have the internet to go to hdtracks elsewhere.

I am aware of the old albums up to Parade in 192/24.

That's odd because I been looking to buy them for years and the only one I could find was the Prince / Prince album. At one point I did contact a vendor and they told me that (ATWIAD) had reached it sales limit with them and they were only licensed to sell a certain number of downloads. I assume it was the case with the other albums too.

If you can point me in the direction of any HD vendor that has them for sale in the UK that would be awesome, just PM me.

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I did mention hdtracks.

There's also a french(?) outlet https://www.qobuz.com/.

I did not look much into other hires vendors, except on DVD-A.

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