databank said:

What you clearly don't understand is what you want to hear (you, me. anyone) is irrelevant.

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We agree completely here. What is important is what the rightsholders want, but we can make suggestions. Unfortunately, what Prince wanted, or created, is ultimately only as relevant as the commercial value given to it. By which I mean that I think the rightsholders will have to do a market assessment and act accordingly, to keep a revenue stream large enough to keep preparing releases. :-/

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databank said:

The version on The Family was finished (in its minimalist form) after Paul recorded his vocals. This version don't exist, never existed, never was intended to exist with Prince's vocals. This shouldn't even be a discussion really. I'm sorry, but it shouldn't.

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The version exists... as in, all necessary parts are on a multitrack. Prince's voice is simply muted. (they wouldn't have been able to do the mixes they did otherwise) Our difference of opinion is simply if we should go for what Prince made the song into, ready for release, but with his vocals, or if we should only use existing stereo mixes. I am on the song side of things (that's his ultimate arrangement), you are on the historical (he stopped using his voice after St Paul did his vocals, so whatever was the last mix done before that is what should be used)

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I understand your point and have sympathy for it, but I think my version is closer to Prince's art. Agree to disagree.

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databank said:

Now releasing the multitracks like LGC, Who wouldn't want to have them of course, But I don't think it's ever gonna happen beyond the exceptional coup a la Space Oddity. Not for Prince nor any other artist. This would open the fate for so many reinterpretations ans so much vandalism that it would tarnish the artists' legacy, drawing their catalog in an ocean of bullshit amateurish remixes.

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I haven't heard a lot of amateur remixes of Ben Folds album (just one I happened to have and thus thought of, there are others as well) and Prince was thinking about it, during the cd-rom "adventure" he released. (I think it was Interactive)

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I think the "amateur remix" problem is a non-problem. Simply only listen to official releases if you want to hear the actual tracks. As to tarnishing a legacy... nothing will be as bad as what Prince has done himself, the unresolved rights issues, the re-interpretations and stuff played by others and "released" as vault material. I hope nothing like what happened to Hendrix's music will happen to Prince, but the risk of weird mixes has been out there since the start of the sampler and before. I don't see that becoming any different if stems are released officially.

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databank said:

Now don't take me wrong, I respect you and I understand your suggestions come from a good place. But they're misled. . Sorry if there are typos btw I'm not home so typing on the smartphone

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Impressive that you typed that much on a phone. I hope there was noone around to hear you curse.

databank said:

I have no clue who Ben Folds is

woah

lustmealways said:

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

Ben Folds and Ben Folds Five has, I think, outsold Prince in the late 90s and early 2000s. Still, that's not too important. Brick isn't really a good indication of what he/they are. They play "alternative rock", influenced by jazz, folk and a range of other stuff. I love them because of their sense of humor (during a live show someone yelled "rock this bitch", so they made up a song on the spot with that title and it became a thing, with them playing different versions of "the song" regularly. Even improvising with a symphony orchestra) (as a sidenote, Ben Folds was on Stephen Colbert's Late Show last night, fairly mainstream)

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Anyway, there are a number of artists that have released stems (sometime multitracks even) and there are a lot going around the internet from different artists that aren't as official. It's definitely a niche thing.

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The Prince world has never been very open with things (imagine if Prince would have been willing to do something like McCartney's Chaos and Creation!) so I won't hold my breath. I do hope that over time things will become clearer and there will be a plan for the future that will work for the estate, fans and conservationists alike.

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databank said:

RJOrion said:

co-woah

IDK what to say. I have a near 6000 albums collection so obviously I'm not musically illiterate. It may be the dude isn't very famous in Europe (some of the best selling acts in the US are virtually unknown in Europe, it came as a shock to me when I learned of certain American icons that never got the slightest radio airplay in France), or it might be that he's doing stuff in a genre I don't care much about (my knowledge of certain branches of rock and pop-rock, or whole genres such as metal, folk, country and blues for example is quite limited, not to mention commercial music from the last 20 years of which I know virtually nothing of, I didn't know who Ed Sheeran was before I saw the movie "Yesterday"). There's simply too much music for anyone to know everything. [Edited 7/23/20 13:09pm]

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Ben Folds Five was huge in Europe.

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But explanation also goes for me at some point.

Pop from the last 20 years, not much interested. But i hear now and then some on our radiostation, and skip it.

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Ah but you're from France.

That explains it a bit.

French radio INSISTS/insited that every official radio station plays at least 40% french music only.

“Un peu chauvin,” isn't it.

Try to listen to any radio station while driving the car through France, or at any location

and find me 1 station where they are NOT talking, but playing 'music', any music.

So there's very little time for music left.

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Then on the other hand I believe that Ben Folds Five might be too 'American' or too oscure pop-rock-ish. I live in Beligum, my Flemish friends mostly know about Ben Folds Five, while my french speaking friends basically never heard of 'm. And that goes in both directions.

I guess it's the same in the US with the latino pop and rock culture.

By the way, Is there a Latino rock culture?

Like I've never heard of even... now hear me talking.

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RJOrion said:

lustmealways said:

woah

co-woah

double triple co-woah

Vannormal said:

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French radio INSISTS/insited that every official radio station plays at least 40% french music only.

“Un peu chauvin,” isn't it.

By the way, Is there a Latino rock culture?

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Personally I wish they'd do something like that French 40% rule here in Spain, where I live. Reggaeton's really popular at the moment, so Spanish-language music is "in", but even so the mainstream radio stations play mostly music in English, which is absurd. It has nothing to do with the quality of the music and everything to do with money.

And yes, there's plenty of rock in Latin America. I'll never get tired of recommending Charly García (Argentina), whose output in terms of both quantity and quality is easily comparable to, say, Bowie's.

Also, so that this isn't toooo off topic, I will add that whilst I have nothing to contribute to the debate about Frankenstein mixes and whatnot, it is nonetheless very interesting.

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databank said:

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I agree

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