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Reply #30 posted 07/26/20 3:53am

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To further indicate the stupidty of the Estate, WB and all parties involved with post mortem music releases of mr Prince's works:

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Recently I've been watching the BD of INXS live at the Wembley Stadium in 1991 'Live Baby Live'.

All that apparently is needed are some film cameras & reels, a soundboard recording and one can produce a very nice highres video registration of a killer show.

This show's production is fairly simple:

No real fireworks, no moving stage, one video screen behind the soundboard (!), perhaps one helicopter with a video camera (more grainy than the rest). A handfull of camera positions with enough tape to ensure coninuous footage.

(I *assume* the camera's are analog because of the dating of the show)

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So why, if the vault is so vast, can't the Estate do something similar?

Where they start or what order they go through the vast vault does not matter.

(i.e.: similar to what they do now)

So why oh why is it what they do?

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Reply #31 posted 07/26/20 4:35am

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There even appears to be a 4K version of this concert available, backgrounds at https://www.superdeluxeed...d-blu-ray/.

In there some details of the analog recording, the process etc are revealed.

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Reply #32 posted 07/26/20 4:52am

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A similar release of Prince's 1993 appearance at Wembley Stadium I'd pick up in a heartbeat, of course.

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But I'd be waiting past my own 'best before' date, I guess, watching the Estate fumble...

(if they even have halfway decent video & audio of this show)

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Reply #33 posted 07/26/20 5:15am

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udo said:

There even appears to be a 4K version of this concert available, backgrounds at https://www.superdeluxeed...d-blu-ray/.

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One comment there, from a certain Dez:

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As a Prince fan it crushes me that all his 80s concerts were shot in low res video – to have the Purple Rain or Lovesexy tours shot on 35mm film only to be remastered to 4K today would’ve been incredible! Someone in the INXS team had the foresight to book a 35mm shoot at the historic Wembley Stadium when the band were surely at their peak!

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So we can forget about decent releases.

And the Estate forgot to tell us.

So their communications department is not that.

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Reply #34 posted 07/26/20 7:44am

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The Estate owns Omarr's house, and he is now moving out. I'm sure the Estate will be selling the house.

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Reply #35 posted 07/26/20 7:56am

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PennyPurple said:

The Estate owns Omarr's house, and he is now moving out. I'm sure the Estate will be selling the house.

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Jay!

Or Boohoo?

More money to pay them lawyer leaches.

More money to catalog and restore the music & video at Iron Mountain.

But will it be enough?

I doubt it.

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Reply #36 posted 07/26/20 5:02pm

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PennyPurple said:



RJOrion said:


laytonian said:



Exactly. He had wills only during htis marriages and they were nullified during the legal procedings.



but how do you know for sure that "he only had wills during his marriages"?...that makes ZERO sense..

Both of his ex wives said so.



On Questlove supreme, Ruth his assistant said she talked wills with him and he said he didn’t want wills because that’s admitting his mortality and as he was walking away she well you know who is gonna keep all this stuff...and he quickly turned around and said who? She said in an sly joking evil tone “the government!”...an he dismissed
"You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"

"Who's the foo singing will it's would"
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Reply #37 posted 07/26/20 6:42pm

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Both of his ex-wives said, when they were married he had a will, he created a will in each marriage. The will was voided when he divorced them both.

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Reply #38 posted 07/26/20 9:37pm

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PennyPurple said:

Both of his ex-wives said, when they were married he had a will, he created a will in each marriage. The will was voided when he divorced them both.

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So: so much for common sense, legal advice and all that.

He made a mess of things.

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Reply #39 posted 07/28/20 1:32pm

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udo said:



PennyPurple said:


Both of his ex-wives said, when they were married he had a will, he created a will in each marriage. The will was voided when he divorced them both.



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So: so much for common sense, legal advice and all that.


He made a mess of things.


Do you really care that much about the siblings getting their portion?

Outside of that what is so messy for fans to really complain about?

He could have just as easily stipulated that nothing be released for 50 years as making all his music accessible to fans. He could have stipulated none of his music ever be put on YT and no streaming services. He could have done all kinds of things most of us would have disliked. Why at this late date is him not having a will that serious to you, were you on payroll or something and didn't get your promised portion of the Estate?
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Reply #40 posted 07/28/20 9:32pm

udo

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onlyforaminute said:

udo said:

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So: so much for common sense, legal advice and all that.

He made a mess of things.

Do you really care that much about the siblings getting their portion?

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Yes!
That would mean the mess that they sustain has finally been cleared, things are working nicely and smoothly and thus we might get more music.

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Outside of that what is so messy for fans to really complain about?

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You have to ask?

The lack of releases?

Did you forget?

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He could have just as easily stipulated that nothing be released for 50 years as making all his music accessible to fans.

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Yes.

The b00tleggars would have been extatic about such a stipulation.

That would have been quite efficient w.r.t. releases and such.

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He could have stipulated none of his music ever be put on YT and no streaming services. He could have done all kinds of things most of us would have disliked. Why at this late date is him not having a will that serious to you, were you on payroll or something and didn't get your promised portion of the Estate?

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A serious person has arrangements in place for when they die.

How are they to be burried? Where? Incinerated? Etc.

Where do the earthly possessions go?

Be it verbal, on paper or in a will...

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Especially when a person has above average `stuff` arrangements are essential.

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I never claimed to receive money from Prince, the Estate, WB or any related party.

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The only thing we're interested in is music and perhaps video. Lots of it.

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Reply #41 posted 07/29/20 8:19am

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udo said:



onlyforaminute said:


udo said:


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So: so much for common sense, legal advice and all that.


He made a mess of things.




Do you really care that much about the siblings getting their portion?

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Yes!
That would mean the mess that they sustain has finally been cleared, things are working nicely and smoothly and thus we might get more music.


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Outside of that what is so messy for fans to really complain about?

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You have to ask?


The lack of releases?


Did you forget?


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He could have just as easily stipulated that nothing be released for 50 years as making all his music accessible to fans.

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Yes.


The b00tleggars would have been extatic about such a stipulation.


That would have been quite efficient w.r.t. releases and such.


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He could have stipulated none of his music ever be put on YT and no streaming services. He could have done all kinds of things most of us would have disliked. Why at this late date is him not having a will that serious to you, were you on payroll or something and didn't get your promised portion of the Estate?

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A serious person has arrangements in place for when they die.


How are they to be burried? Where? Incinerated? Etc.


Where do the earthly possessions go?


Be it verbal, on paper or in a will...


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Especially when a person has above average `stuff` arrangements are essential.


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I never claimed to receive money from Prince, the Estate, WB or any related party.


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The only thing we're interested in is music and perhaps video. Lots of it.




Given what I've seen so far having a judge as gatekeeper hasn't hurt. We see one sibling already got swindled. Maybe that's the issue the others aren't available to be swindled as easily.

Did you mean ecstatic? How the heck does having a will or not impact what bootleggers are doing? By that you're just saying everything in the vault they already had which makes zero sense in complaining about not having access to music. Seems you already do .

You just added verbal, people in the camp have already said he told people what he wanted done. So is it because he didn't add you to the memo means he didn't do just that or something?

I agree him having a will would have been nice but I don't get fans blowing a gasket over it at this point in the timeline. Heck could you imagine the nuclear explosion that would have taken place if he left everything in Josh & Hannah's hands?
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Reply #42 posted 07/29/20 12:35pm

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luv4u said:

The estate needs to be settled once and for all. Pay the bills and what's left over then distribute amongst the heirs. This is dragging for too long now. I assume that once is all and done that there won't be much left to distribute.

Prince must have had a Will. If not, he should have had one in case of..........


This shit show has to end.

And the poor judge........ He probably sick and tired of all the whining and bitching and infighting he has to deal with. lol Probably have a good martini drink

back in 2001 or so i worked for a law firm that handled a battle between the heirs to a multi-million dollar estate. because the heirs hated each other they disagreed with anything the others proposed so the litigation dragged on for around seven years while their attorneys collected enormous fees and costs.

by the time the litigation finally ended the heirs each got around forty-fifty thousand dollars. they were outraged when they realized the estate money had all gone to fund their bickering despite having read, approved and paid the monthly legal invoices.....

some of them actually wanted to sue their own attorneys after that. the whole mess was very sad. i hope prince's heirs can resolve outstanding issues while there is still a chance for them to do so.

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Reply #43 posted 07/29/20 7:29pm

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lol lol Nothing to see here.

[Edited 7/29/20 19:34pm]

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Reply #44 posted 07/31/20 1:32am

udo

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PennyPurple said:

udo said:

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Do you think that for these fees we get media catalogging, media restoration, media transfer, etc etc at a decent speed?

It's just for storage, right? The rest of that is up to the Estate to hire people to do that, would be my guess.

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Hmmm..

If it is just for storage, then why do the amounts fluctuate so much, if only we look at Aug-19 and onwards?

December has a number that is aroind twice the normal amount.

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Reply #45 posted 08/02/20 2:37pm

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udo said:



PennyPurple said:




udo said:



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Do you think that for these fees we get media catalogging, media restoration, media transfer, etc etc at a decent speed?



It's just for storage, right? The rest of that is up to the Estate to hire people to do that, would be my guess.



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Hmmm..


If it is just for storage, then why do the amounts fluctuate so much, if only we look at Aug-19 and onwards?


December has a number that is aroind twice the normal amount.




The one thing I know about Iron Mtn. they do charge for every storage file they have to pull. So if they've been pulling a lot of files in these months then I'd guess that's a good thing.
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Reply #46 posted 08/03/20 12:22am

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onlyforaminute said:

udo said:

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Hmmm..

If it is just for storage, then why do the amounts fluctuate so much, if only we look at Aug-19 and onwards?

December has a number that is aroind twice the normal amount.

The one thing I know about Iron Mtn. they do charge for every storage file they have to pull. So if they've been pulling a lot of files in these months then I'd guess that's a good thing.

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'Pulling a lot of files'?

Do you mean a physical file?

Because at this time it cannot yet be (I guess) that all media has been cataloged, properly salvaged (if needed) and digitized.

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Reply #47 posted 08/03/20 1:39am

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udo said:

onlyforaminute said:

udo said: The one thing I know about Iron Mtn. they do charge for every storage file they have to pull. So if they've been pulling a lot of files in these months then I'd guess that's a good thing.

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'Pulling a lot of files'?

Do you mean a physical file?

Because at this time it cannot yet be (I guess) that all media has been cataloged, properly salvaged (if needed) and digitized.

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fyi: a 'file' can mean a storage box that can contain anything, incl. magnetic tapes. I'm sure they already cataloged every physical asset – but NOT their contents. There must be many cassettes and reels of film or tape that are unmarked and they'd have to be transferred to digital before they can even assess what recordings they hold (if any). But transferring is quite expensive and time consuming, so obviously they will never ever get around digitising absolutely everything – only whatever is needed for the projects they are working on. (So sadly, this means that probably none of the super deluxe editions can ever contain the complete set of recordings for a given era, as they will never have a full inventory of all the possible unmarked recordings that might be sitting on a cassette or at the end of any reel of tape...)

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Reply #48 posted 08/03/20 5:11am

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Kares said:

But transferring is quite expensive and time consuming, so obviously they will never ever get around digitising absolutely everything – only whatever is needed for the projects they are working on. (So sadly, this means that probably none of the super deluxe editions can ever contain the complete set of recordings for a given era, as they will never have a full inventory of all the possible unmarked recordings that might be sitting on a cassette or at the end of any reel of tape...)

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Exactly.

So Michael Howe is not an archivist, if this happens, but a music destroyer.

They do not understand the value nor importance of looking at, listening to every bit of tape they have.

They do not know what people did to get to that music.

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Reply #49 posted 08/03/20 6:36am

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udo said:

Kares said:

But transferring is quite expensive and time consuming, so obviously they will never ever get around digitising absolutely everything – only whatever is needed for the projects they are working on. (So sadly, this means that probably none of the super deluxe editions can ever contain the complete set of recordings for a given era, as they will never have a full inventory of all the possible unmarked recordings that might be sitting on a cassette or at the end of any reel of tape...)

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Exactly.

So Michael Howe is not an archivist, if this happens, but a music destroyer.

They do not understand the value nor importance of looking at, listening to every bit of tape they have.

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He does understand that, of course, but you still fail (or refuse) to understand that the Estate is being run by a bank. A BANK! Things could be much, much worse than they are, and things ARE improving and they ARE listening to feedback too. Talking to Michael and calling him a music destroyer, is not the way to go about helping.

P&AM83, for example, is often criticised for the lack of any sound restoration – but Michael told me that their intention was to just leave it as it is as a historical document, and that is a valid point, an acceptable archivist's approach for that kind of rehearsal material. (He did admit they haven't noticed the tape-speed issue though, something I would've fixed myself, as it wouldnt've gone against the concept, but anyway, it's not a major issue. I'm sure they'll take better care of that in the future.)
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Reply #50 posted 08/03/20 6:46am

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Kares said:

udo said:

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Exactly.

So Michael Howe is not an archivist, if this happens, but a music destroyer.

They do not understand the value nor importance of looking at, listening to every bit of tape they have.

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He does understand that, of course, but you still fail (or refuse) to understand that the Estate is being run by a bank. A BANK!

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I do know what a bank is. Especially in these times.

Note: I have a few hedges against all banks and their fiat money.

The case that a bank is in control means just one thing:
They are just after the money.

So the most financially `interesting` (i.e.: greatest expectance of return) works will be released first.

I.e.: no artistic or historic order of releases.

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Things could be much, much worse than they are, and things ARE improving and they ARE listening to feedback too. Talking to Michael and calling him a music destroyer, is not the way to go about helping.

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If Michael had any control in releasing PR SDE as it was released he would have stopped it.

If musicians nor A&R people can hear the bad 'mastering' then why are they in the jobs they have?

Yes, even Prince did not hear the problems! (the ultimate sign of his sloppiness at age)

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P&AM83, for example, is often criticised for the lack of any sound restoration – but Michael told me that their intention was to just leave it as it is as a historical document,

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Versus bringing the ultimate customer satisfaction with a properly processed release.

One upping them b00tleggars with best sound ever.

In that light he gave a fairly weak argument.

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If Iron Mountain were not on a different continent I would volunteer my time to work there, preserving tapes, listening to tapes, etc.

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Reply #51 posted 08/03/20 7:25am

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Dude, I never said you don't know what a bank is – I said you refuse to acknowledge that the estate is being run by a bank, so for all they know about Prince or the record business itself, we can be happy that AT LEAST we got what they released so far, despite all the problems.

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Another thing: stop blaming Michael Howe and the Estate for Purple Rain Deluxe – they had nothing to do with it, it was all done by Warners. It was Warners who decided to include the Vault tracks at that time they did NOT have access to Prince's Vault. So it was a rushed job, hence all the cassette-sourced outtakes, hence the cheap and nasty packaging and booklet.

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udo said:

Kares said:

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If Michael had any control in releasing PR SDE as it was released he would have stopped it.

If musicians nor A&R people can hear the bad 'mastering' then why are they in the jobs they have?

Yes, even Prince did not hear the problems! (the ultimate sign of his sloppiness at age)

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P&AM83, for example, is often criticised for the lack of any sound restoration – but Michael told me that their intention was to just leave it as it is as a historical document,

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Versus bringing the ultimate customer satisfaction with a properly processed release.

One upping them b00tleggars with best sound ever.

In that light he gave a fairly weak argument.

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If Iron Mountain were not on a different continent I would volunteer my time to work there, preserving tapes, listening to tapes, etc.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #52 posted 08/03/20 9:37am

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udo said:



onlyforaminute said:


udo said:


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Hmmm..


If it is just for storage, then why do the amounts fluctuate so much, if only we look at Aug-19 and onwards?


December has a number that is aroind twice the normal amount.



The one thing I know about Iron Mtn. they do charge for every storage file they have to pull. So if they've been pulling a lot of files in these months then I'd guess that's a good thing.

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'Pulling a lot of files'?


Do you mean a physical file?


Because at this time it cannot yet be (I guess) that all media has been cataloged, properly salvaged (if needed) and digitized.



I meant whatever format the physical items are in. Someone has to move them around and they'd charge for whatever's being moved. A spike in charges for a particular month means movement. A large spike possibly means a lot of movement. Just basic deductive reasoning.
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Reply #53 posted 08/04/20 9:27pm

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It is ever so truth...

He studied the "New World Translation"...
Evil, would never think to look there for a will.

The truth is always in "The Truth".

and when we transcend, we don't look back at the material world...we only walk on in love, 4ever~n~eternity.

I am truly saddened for Tyka and those, who truly loved him for him (stripped down) to, who he represented, which firstly is the love of God Jehovah, who he whole heartedly shared with the world (live on stage all the time) with us all - please remember this, especially now...(pray people and get your head into "the word").

I pray on my knees for those, who hurt to this day in missing him in this realm.

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Reply #54 posted 08/04/20 11:13pm

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It is ever so truth... He studied the "New World Translation"... Evil, would never think to look there for a will. The truth is always in "The Truth". and when we transcend, we don't look back at the material world...we only walk on in love, 4ever~n~eternity. I am truly saddened for Tyka and those, who truly loved him for him (stripped down) to, who he represented, which firstly is the love of God Jehovah, who he whole heartedly shared with the world (live on stage all the time) with us all - please remember this, especially now...(pray people and get your head into "the word"). I pray on my knees for those, who hurt to this day in missing him in this realm. take care, aimgnis
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Reply #55 posted 08/05/20 6:46am

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Reply #56 posted 08/21/20 11:36am

laytonian

I believe the estate and Comerica are doing a great job while withstanding the constant turmoil caused by bickering "family". If he'd had a will like James Brown, they'd all be contesting it.

I fear the future when the heirs take control. They don't have a cohesive view right now and it'll get even worse. I hope Paisley Park is kept in a family corporation with serious board members and advisors, but the rest will probably be sold off to investors.


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Reply #57 posted 08/22/20 2:45pm

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laytonian said:

I believe the estate and Comerica are doing a great job while withstanding the constant turmoil caused by bickering "family". If he'd had a will like James Brown, they'd all be contesting it.

I fear the future when the heirs take control. They don't have a cohesive view right now and it'll get even worse. I hope Paisley Park is kept in a family corporation with serious board members and advisors, but the rest will probably be sold off to investors.




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Reply #58 posted 08/24/20 1:57pm

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laytonian said:

RJOrion said:

laytonian said: but how do you know for sure that "he only had wills during his marriages"?...that makes ZERO sense..


It makes TOTAL sense. Prince knew Minnesota law, especially after having been the personal representative for his father's estate.
WHY did he need a will? Who would he name as his heir(s) besides what's prescribed by Minnesota law? He was a man who shunned health insurance because he thought it would guarantee you'd get sick; writing a will could have meant thinking about death.
People who think he didn't worry about death are wrong; he was constantly fixated on it (listen to the music).

AND, do NOT confuse a will with trusts. He could have left things to certain people in trusts; we will never know about that. Trusts are inviolate, unlike wills.

James Brown's will is still being contested.


^^^^ Laytonian speaks the truth.

Also, the wills he had during his marriages were hand written. We have no idea whether the wills were witnessed by two individuals which is required by law.

The Estate attorneys contacted EVERY attorney that represented P. All said they talked to him about drafting a will and he refused.

I dont understand why the org wants to re-hash the will issue again.

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Reply #59 posted 08/25/20 8:16pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laytonian said:


It makes TOTAL sense. Prince knew Minnesota law, especially after having been the personal representative for his father's estate.
WHY did he need a will? Who would he name as his heir(s) besides what's prescribed by Minnesota law? He was a man who shunned health insurance because he thought it would guarantee you'd get sick; writing a will could have meant thinking about death.
People who think he didn't worry about death are wrong; he was constantly fixated on it (listen to the music).

AND, do NOT confuse a will with trusts. He could have left things to certain people in trusts; we will never know about that. Trusts are inviolate, unlike wills.

James Brown's will is still being contested.


^^^^ Laytonian speaks the truth.

Also, the wills he had during his marriages were hand written. We have no idea whether the wills were witnessed by two individuals which is required by law.

The Estate attorneys contacted EVERY attorney that represented P. All said they talked to him about drafting a will and he refused.

I dont understand why the org wants to re-hash the will issue again.



Hey Orgers! grouphug I haven't been around much and I've truly missed y'all. Life has just been leading me on my way and I had to see where it would take me. Over the last year, I've become a licensed, bonded and insured Notary Public - Signing Agent for my home state of Michigan.

In doing that I've had to learn and become very proficient in understanding my state laws as they pertain to real estate, wills and trusts. During my many hours, days, weeks and months of training endeavors that I had to partake in, to acquire the proficient understanding that allowed me to become licensed, bonded and insured, I could not help but think of the whole shit-fest here...a lot!

Because there just may be some obscure little old lady's Notary Journal, somewhere out there that holds the key to his every damn wish.

I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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