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Thread started 06/11/20 1:34pm

soladeo1

Why did Prince for Sign O' The Times only tour in Europe...and only tour for 2 months??

The stage and lighting rig must have been insanely expensive...he probably lost a fortune only touring in Europe for ~36 dates...

Crazy...

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Reply #1 posted 06/11/20 2:09pm

luv2tha99s

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I'd love to know as well. Missed him at 14 for PR tour due to my mom not wanting to drive up 2 LA. Missed him in 86 cuz he was embarrassed of UTCM and didn't want to tour the US (except for some hitnrun dates that were announced on school nights). Seeing him in 87 with all my school chums would have been tha shit!
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Reply #2 posted 06/11/20 4:03pm

sro100

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I saw it up-close-and-personal at Rupert's Nightclub in Minneapolis.

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Reply #3 posted 06/11/20 4:22pm

emesem

becase frankly SOTT was a bit of a flop commerically, he then got all mad because rap was outselling him and so did the Black Album. Then has his acid trip w/Ingrid and found God, pulls the Black Album and did Lovesexy......then unexpectedly he gets nominated (and almost wins) for Album of the year but by this time he had moved from SOTT mentally and aethetically. We got the LoveSexy tour instead.

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Reply #4 posted 06/11/20 5:33pm

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He never gave a reason and based on events, I don't think there was a single reason. That said, these events would have played a part.

1. He was promoting a cut down album from what he wanted to release.

2. He started promotion in the U.S., including the tour, but the album never really took off.

3. He returned to a 'safe space' in Europe but toured too early and bad weather effected the 'vision'.

4. Once he decided on a movie of the concert in June 87, I think he felt he could move on.

5. He was in a bad place relationship wise.

6. He took the 'white' label badly and was heading down the 'Black Album' path.

7. He was hearing/seeing rap, RnB and pop moving in a different direction to him.

8. Its Prince. He's done with a project 6 months before it gets released.

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Reply #5 posted 06/11/20 8:58pm

soladeo1

SquirrelMeat said:

He never gave a reason and based on events, I don't think there was a single reason. That said, these events would have played a part.



1. He was promoting a cut down album from what he wanted to release.

2. He started promotion in the U.S., including the tour, but the album never really took off.

3. He returned to a 'safe space' in Europe but toured too early and bad weather effected the 'vision'.

4. Once he decided on a movie of the concert in June 87, I think he felt he could move on.

5. He was in a bad place relationship wise.

6. He took the 'white' label badly and was heading down the 'Black Album' path.

7. He was hearing/seeing rap, RnB and pop moving in a different direction to him.

8. Its Prince. He's done with a project 6 months before it gets released.



Good stuff. Thanks.
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Reply #6 posted 06/12/20 12:35am

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The Parade tour was a big success in Europe, critics were raving about it, just like they were about the Sign O' the Times album, so there was obviously an audience for a European tour. Prince was becoming a hype in Europe while the hype in America was going down. And as Squirrel said, once he made the film, he no longer felt the need for an American tour, for better or for worse. I think it was Eric Leeds who said that not touring in America to promote Sign O' the Times was the biggest mistake Prince ever made.
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Reply #7 posted 06/12/20 12:43am

SoulAlive

Not bringing this tour to the USA was one of his biggest career mistakes,imo.By the fall of '87,this album was doing extremely well after a slow start."U Got The Look" and "ICNTTPOYM" were Top 10 smash hits.He would have had a hugely successful soldout tour.Yeah,he gave us the excellent concert film,but an actual tour would have been preferable.

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[Edited 6/12/20 0:44am]

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Reply #8 posted 06/12/20 12:50am

SoulAlive

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SantanaMaitreya said:

I think it was Eric Leeds who said that not touring in America to promote Sign O' the Times was the biggest mistake Prince ever made.
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Reply #9 posted 06/12/20 3:33am

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My 2 cents: by all accounts P got fed-up at the end of the PR tour. He got bored easily, playing the same setlist over and over bored him, so I guess he was just fed-up with the concept by the end of the european leg. WB reportedly wanted him to tour the US because they felt it would push sales, that they needed time to promote SOTT for a longer while than P usually gave them. They really didn't want another album as early as Spring 88 (TBA didn't really count as "the new Prince album" since it was this uncredited experimental release without singles, more of a Madhouse type of thing in their eyes).

Of course retrospectively this seems odd given that P would spend most of the last 20 years of his career playing the same hits over and over again, but that was out of economic necessity and, by 87, P still felt he ruled the world and that he could just do whatever he felt like doing without worrying about how much it cost.

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Reply #10 posted 06/12/20 5:01am

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He was extremely prolific in the studio, say compared to the early 80s. Touring constantly, despite the mobile recording truck, would have been an annoyance if he was hearing songs in his head all day.
Which was well documented to happen during this time. The recording sessions prove it. So he limited the dates. And that's a fact. You can quote me.

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Reply #11 posted 06/12/20 5:27am

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Good question and I don't know. We could think the same 4 Diamonds & Pearls, Ultimate Live Experience & Nude tours.
I'm from Paris & lucky enough to have attended 28 concerts.
4 Purple Rain tour, reason 4 not performing in Europe was terrorism at the time. As Piano And Microphone : concert cancelled at Opéra Garnier (12/11/15).
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Reply #12 posted 06/12/20 6:50am

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A few reasons why I believe he only toured for SOTT in Europe...

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1. He fell in love with Europe during the Parade era, and he wanted to further grow his fanbase there

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2. Touring in Europe gave him a fresh start after The Revolution split...It represented a new beginning

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3. WB and his inner circle may have indicated there was not major interest for a tour in the US

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4. He was ready to move on to his next project

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Reply #13 posted 06/12/20 7:04am

SPYZFAN1

I agree with Soul...By late '87, MTV was playing the album's videos in moderate rotation. "Adore", "Slow Love", "S.O.T.T" and "Housequake" were being played heavily on R&B radio (...well at least in the Tri State area). I think a late summer/early fall U.S tour would have been sucessful.

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Reply #14 posted 06/12/20 8:09am

rusty1

emesem said:

becase frankly SOTT was a bit of a flop commerically, he then got all mad because rap was outselling him and so did the Black Album. Then has his acid trip w/Ingrid and found God, pulls the Black Album and did Lovesexy.....then unexpectedly he gets nominated (and almost wins) for Album of the year but by this time he had moved from SOTT mentally and aethetically. We got the LoveSexy tour instead.




Prince made a huge mistake putting out the wrong second single but could've still toured the US. When "u got the look" became a huge hit, the album went back into the top 50 for a bit. Plus, the album had 3 top 10 hits & still sold a million copies. I still feel if he would've put out the right 2nd single, then everything could've been different.
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Reply #15 posted 06/12/20 8:14am

soladeo1

Imagine if he released U GOT THE LOOK as a first or second single???

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Reply #16 posted 06/12/20 11:20am

rusty1

soladeo1 said:

Imagine if he released U GOT THE LOOK as a first or second single???


how about " Housequake" or "ICNTTPOYM"
being released 2nd as well.
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Reply #17 posted 06/12/20 12:16pm

jmfd

Most likely is...

He wanted to stay at home and play with all the new toys at Paisley Park.

It was in the process of being finished and I would think that he would want to be around for that just like a homeowner would for their own home.

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Reply #18 posted 06/12/20 1:24pm

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jmfd said:

Most likely is...

He wanted to stay at home and play with all the new toys at Paisley Park.

It was in the process of being finished and I would think that he would want to be around for that just like a homeowner would for their own home.

^^^^ THIS
He couldn't wait to use the soundstage so recreated the tour there.
I also wonder about injuries on that tour.

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Reply #19 posted 06/13/20 10:49am

SoulAlive

jmfd said:

Most likely is...

He wanted to stay at home and play with all the new toys at Paisley Park.

It was in the process of being finished and I would think that he would want to be around for that just like a homeowner would for their own home.

yep,this seems very likely

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Reply #20 posted 06/13/20 3:22pm

slyjackson

ICNTTPOYM should have been the 2nd single then U Got The Look then IIWYG, Strange Realtionship, and Aodre the last single.

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Reply #21 posted 06/14/20 9:41am

jn2

slyjackson said:

ICNTTPOYM should have been the 2nd single then U Got The Look then IIWYG, Strange Realtionship, and Aodre the last single.

Honestly I don't think that Adore would have been a good single's choice, and releasing IIWYG as a single was a mistake imo, Housequake and Play in the sunshine with a great psychedelic video ( a bit like Rasperry Beret) would have been hits, especially Housequake.

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Reply #22 posted 06/14/20 10:12am

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" We were doing our shows and something drastic happened. I can't remember what country we were in, but, there was a thunderstorm. Mind you, we were performing outside. But, the show must go on. Prince and I were on wireless microphones. There was rain, lightning and thunder. A bolt of thunder struck one of the signs over Boni Boyer's keyboard and it fell. That's when we said "That's it" and Prince decided to put "Sign o' the Times" on film.


I was in my panties. Okay? I was cold. Everyone else was in clothes. You know how my clothes were. I was cold, I was freezing, but, I was professional. When that sign fell and it took a chunk out of Boyer's keyboard, Prince said "That's it." I think God said "I'm going to save you guys."


As a responsible person, Prince was really concerned with all of the band members. He didn't want anyone to get hurt. He didn't want any of the fans to get hurt. Water, lightning and mikes, what do they equal? Disaster. The wind was blowing so hard we couldn't even see. We actually performed as long as we could until we stopped. "

-Cat Glover

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Reply #23 posted 06/14/20 11:08am

andrewm7

I can't answer the "why" but it would make a great alternative reality where the black album was stealth released before Christmas 1987, and the SOTT tour played America, Japan and Australia smile

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Reply #24 posted 06/14/20 1:44pm

andymacfunky

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IDK I feel blessed to see him in London in 86 & 88, but was gutted as had '87 tix for the cancelled show

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Reply #25 posted 06/15/20 1:26pm

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The Sign 'O' The Times tour at Wembley in '87 would have been my first time seeing Prince live.

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I was lucky enough to see him many times after that but the cancellation of that concert is still a real disappointment.

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Reply #26 posted 06/15/20 5:59pm

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rusty1 said:

emesem said:

becase frankly SOTT was a bit of a flop commerically, he then got all mad because rap was outselling him and so did the Black Album. Then has his acid trip w/Ingrid and found God, pulls the Black Album and did Lovesexy......then unexpectedly he gets nominated (and almost wins) for Album of the year but by this time he had moved from SOTT mentally and aethetically. We got the LoveSexy tour instead.

Prince made a huge mistake putting out the wrong second single but could've still toured the US. When "u got the look" became a huge hit, the album went back into the top 50 for a bit. Plus, the album had 3 top 10 hits & still sold a million copies. I still feel if he would've put out the right 2nd single, then everything could've been different.

Yes, it was a baffling choice. Not only did the song bomb, but as discussed before on the org it confused people. During the anti-gay backlash of the mid-80s America, the last thing the homophobes wanted to hear is a guy singing about wanting to be someone's girlfriend. It must have made them feel too gay to actually listen to the lyrics to discover what he was talking about. Prince was already polarizing, and this didn't help things. People talked so much smack about Prince back then, I do think there was a fairly low commercial ceiling for the album and tour in the US. A different single would have improved it's prospects, but it still probably wouldn't have been the smash that it deserved to be.

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Reply #27 posted 06/16/20 10:17am

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I guess we just found another reason: in Holland, IIWYG reached #16 on the top 40.
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