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Thread started 06/01/20 3:01pm

BartVanHemelen

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Prince was... a "Client From Hell"?

https://clientsfromhell.net/14852-2/

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I was a recording engineer for 40 years and I’ve had some strange experiences in recording studios, but without a doubt the strangest was one with a certain singer and songwriter famed for his purple themed world.

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I was excited when I saw the booking to cut a single for him. So he walked in, handed me the tape, walked over to a corner of the room and proceeded to stare silently at me. For 3 hours. I tried talking to him, asked him what he wanted out of the record, what sort of sound he wanted, but he didn’t say anything, just stared.

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Didn’t say a word.

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For 3 solid hours.

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Unnerving.

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Reply #1 posted 06/01/20 3:44pm

kingricefan

woot! That's our Prince!!!!

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Reply #2 posted 06/01/20 3:59pm

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That does sound very Prince lol
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Reply #3 posted 06/01/20 4:11pm

luv4u

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Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
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Reply #4 posted 06/01/20 5:11pm

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I mean, if Prince walks into your studio, do you really need to ask what he wants from the song or what sound he wanted? It's not like he walked in with his first demo tape.

Plus, read the room, or the secret messages in his eye rays. Jeez.

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Reply #5 posted 06/01/20 5:30pm

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falloff That sounds like His Royal Badness!

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #6 posted 06/01/20 8:31pm

Phase3

Would be great to have a prince book with just a bunch of stories told in it by celebrities or engineers who crossed paths with Prince
Every story I have heard in the past few years has been really entertaining
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Reply #7 posted 06/01/20 9:55pm

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lavendardrummachine said:

I mean, if Prince walks into your studio, do you really need to ask what he wants from the song or what sound he wanted? It's not like he walked in with his first demo tape.


Yes. If you're an engineer worth your salt, you absolutely should ask your client what they're expecting.

Plus, read the room, or the secret messages in his eye rays. Jeez.


Prince was being a dick. Having a purple pantalooned sex dwarf stare at you in silence while your working for three hours wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

[Edited 6/1/20 21:55pm]

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #8 posted 06/01/20 10:27pm

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These are my favorite kind of Prince stories..

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Reply #9 posted 06/01/20 10:51pm

lavendardrumma
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bluegangsta said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I mean, if Prince walks into your studio, do you really need to ask what he wants from the song or what sound he wanted? It's not like he walked in with his first demo tape.


Yes. If you're an engineer worth your salt, you absolutely should ask your client what they're expecting.



Nah. You're his engineer not his producer. It clearly wasn't a recording session. Try that exercise with other legends and you can see how absurd it is. That wouldn't fly in the real world....which is why it didn't.


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Reply #10 posted 06/01/20 11:07pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

https://clientsfromhell.net/14852-2/

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I was a recording engineer for 40 years and I’ve had some strange experiences in recording studios, but without a doubt the strangest was one with a certain singer and songwriter famed for his purple themed world.

.
I was excited when I saw the booking to cut a single for him. So he walked in, handed me the tape, walked over to a corner of the room and proceeded to stare silently at me. For 3 hours. I tried talking to him, asked him what he wanted out of the record, what sort of sound he wanted, but he didn’t say anything, just stared.

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Didn’t say a word.

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For 3 solid hours.

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Unnerving.

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3 hours without saying a word! eek biggrin razz lol

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Reply #11 posted 06/02/20 2:19am

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lavendardrummachine said:

bluegangsta said:


Yes. If you're an engineer worth your salt, you absolutely should ask your client what they're expecting.



Nah. You're his engineer not his producer. It clearly wasn't a recording session. Try that exercise with other legends and you can see how absurd it is. That wouldn't fly in the real world....which is why it didn't.

I didn't sy anything about production. There are a million way you can mix a song and it's conventionally up to the artist as to what they want the end result to be.

It does fly in the real world, because that's usually how it is.

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Reply #12 posted 06/02/20 10:16am

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bluegangsta said:

I didn't sy anything about production. There are a million way you can mix a song and it's conventionally up to the artist as to what they want the end result to be.

It does fly in the real world, because that's usually how it is.


Actually, no. No reason to even assume there was mixing going on either. It was a 3 hour job. If Prince walks in and you listen to the song and can't figure out what sound he wanted. you should quit. It's on the damn record. Don't insult the man. A mix can do something, but it can't change "what he wanted out of the record". You're not there to have some WDC moment. Prince didn't sign up with some random Joe Engineer to collaborate on his sound then ice him out. Yeah Prince was a dick but the engineer doesn't sound like he's worked with legendary artists before or since.

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Reply #13 posted 06/02/20 4:43pm

pdiddy2011

BartVanHemelen said:

https://clientsfromhell.net/14852-2/

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I was a recording engineer for 40 years and I’ve had some strange experiences in recording studios, but without a doubt the strangest was one with a certain singer and songwriter famed for his purple themed world.

.
I was excited when I saw the booking to cut a single for him. So he walked in, handed me the tape, walked over to a corner of the room and proceeded to stare silently at me. For 3 hours. I tried talking to him, asked him what he wanted out of the record, what sort of sound he wanted, but he didn’t say anything, just stared.

.
Didn’t say a word.

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For 3 solid hours.

.
Unnerving.

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There are plenty of possible explanations for that experience.

But the one that stands out to me is a wasted opportunity. Some people just test you to see what you're going to do. Whether that approach is right or wrong doesn't really matter. This was this recording engineers chance to show what he could do and he just sat there staring at Prince. (If he knew Prince was staring at him then it must have been mutual.)


If a guy (Prince) isn't going to say anything, then throw some things out there and see if something sticks. At least Prince could leave the room knowing you would took a chance and offer your ideas. This might have been a long working relationship had he even accidently put something together that Prince found intriguing.

Case in point, I've been at school and at work and several times some teacher or boss has said to me to get something done and I didn't have a clue what they wanted exactly, and that wasn't the point. They wanted me to try. They wanted to see what I came up with. THEN they explained.

Imagine how different that story might have been had this engineer not approached the situation as the"client from hell" but instead "the time I left Prince speechless". Even if what he did sucked he might have gotten a smile for his hustle or some criticism that might have helped him or some encouragement to keep working at his craft.

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Reply #14 posted 06/02/20 4:48pm

looby

I can believe it.

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Reply #15 posted 06/02/20 5:00pm

poppys

bluegangsta said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I mean, if Prince walks into your studio, do you really need to ask what he wants from the song or what sound he wanted? It's not like he walked in with his first demo tape.


Yes. If you're an engineer worth your salt, you absolutely should ask your client what they're expecting.

Plus, read the room, or the secret messages in his eye rays. Jeez.


Prince was being a dick. Having a purple pantalooned sex dwarf stare at you in silence while your working for three hours wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

I dunno. Think I might like it. yoda

"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all"
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Reply #16 posted 06/02/20 5:16pm

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poppys said:

bluegangsta said:


Prince was being a dick. Having a purple pantalooned sex dwarf stare at you in silence while your working for three hours wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

I dunno. Think I might like it. yoda

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #17 posted 06/02/20 5:34pm

Dalia11

Well...if he did not like the way Prince was acting, he should have declined the job! Some people are too sensitive! lol
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Reply #18 posted 06/02/20 5:37pm

Dalia11

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falloff That sounds like His Royal Badness!




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Reply #19 posted 06/02/20 9:35pm

mspolym00g

Yup. Sounds accurate lol

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Reply #20 posted 06/02/20 11:09pm

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I would think im prince! u knew it was me coming u did your homework and talked to other engineers who worked with me before hand.u are not prepared and im not gonna help u do it...

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Reply #21 posted 06/03/20 8:38am

poppys

purplethunder3121 said:

bluegangsta said:

Prince was being a dick. Having a purple pantalooned sex dwarf stare at you in silence while your working for three hours wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

poppys said:

I dunno. Think I might like it. yoda


uh huh, uh huh uh huh

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Reply #22 posted 06/03/20 8:41am

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Not gonna lie, I would probably be like "you want to erase it all right?" Then slow motion move to the button.

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Reply #23 posted 06/03/20 9:03am

darkroman

Prince is great musically, but he could be a dick sometimes!

This is why we have so much hatred on this planet between people.

It is easy just to be pleasant and courteous.

The engineer should have left to go to the bathroom and just left Prince sat there all day on his own staring at the wall - that would teach him!

George Michael once told the story of when he was in the same recording facility as Madonna. Apparently Madonna was very rude and nasty to a studio runner - however George was quick to intervene, he told her off and got her to apologise.

George was always a nice kind person. You'd never get him staring at someone for three hours!


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Reply #24 posted 06/03/20 9:17am

CynicKill

darkroman said:

Prince is great musically, but he could be a dick sometimes!

This is why we have so much hatred on this planet between people.

It is easy just to be pleasant and courteous.

The engineer should have left to go to the bathroom and just left Prince sat there all day on his own staring at the wall - that would teach him!

George Michael once told the story of when he was in the same recording facility as Madonna. Apparently Madonna was very rude and nasty to a studio runner - however George was quick to intervene, he told her off and got her to apologise.

George was always a nice kind person. You'd never get him staring at someone for three hours!


cool

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Reply #25 posted 06/03/20 9:22am

looby

poppys said:

bluegangsta said:


Prince was being a dick. Having a purple pantalooned sex dwarf stare at you in silence while your working for three hours wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

lol lol lol Oh my lord.

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Reply #26 posted 06/03/20 11:32am

TheTruth123

I believe Prince was either in a bad mood or he wanted to see what the man could do without asking him or he wanted to see if the man could be comfortable in his own skin while being stared at.

Or all 3. lol
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Reply #27 posted 06/03/20 11:54am

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ufoclub said:

Not gonna lie, I would probably be like "you want to erase it all right?" Then slow motion move to the button.



lol
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Reply #28 posted 06/03/20 1:37pm

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bluegangsta said:



lavendardrummachine said:


I mean, if Prince walks into your studio, do you really need to ask what he wants from the song or what sound he wanted? It's not like he walked in with his first demo tape.





Yes. If you're an engineer worth your salt, you absolutely should ask your client what they're expecting.




Plus, read the room, or the secret messages in his eye rays. Jeez.





Prince was being a dick. Having a purple pantalooned sex dwarf stare at you in silence while your working for three hours wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

[Edited 6/1/20 21:55pm]


Purple pantalooned sex dwarf, lol. What a turn of the phrase!!
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Reply #29 posted 06/03/20 2:49pm

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Im curious what the stories were Prince heard about him. 3 hours of staring at somebody is pretty frikkin boring without an agenda.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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