Funklov said:

Has anyone else seen this upcoming auction? They are asking 100,000 for a blue cloud replica guitar. I don't know where they got that price, it appears to be nothing more than the ones sold at Paisley Park. It has the stubby headstock and all.Not sure if I am missing something here but it appears to be a scam. https://ultimateclassicro...e-auction/

Actually, that's wrong. It clearly states it was owned by Prince. Nowhere does it say it's a replica, neither in the article you posted or the auction site itself.

Julien's Auctions is far from a scam. Here's the link to the actual auction: https://www.juliensauctio...ion?id=307

"Highlights include: a custom-made 1984 blue cloud guitar used by Prince"

Julien's has auctions Prince stuff before, and I have the books of Prince stuff in them to prove it (as does their site). A friend went to one of the previous auctions from a few short years ago.

TrivialPursuit said:

I can guarantee you all that I didn't make that, and until the 90's nobody else did that I know of! - David Rusan

Source: https://www.facebook.com/...4891896216


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ElGorillos said:

Damn, and I had that 100,000 cheque written out, ready to go. Roubles right?

Funklov said:

Has anyone else seen this upcoming auction? They are asking 100,000 for a blue cloud replica guitar. I don't know where they got that price, it appears to be nothing more than the ones sold at Paisley Park. It has the stubby headstock and all.Not sure if I am missing something here but it appears to be a scam. https://ultimateclassicro...e-auction/

Yes this is obviously a Schecter replica.

The "Ultimate Classic Rock"-Website seemingly used this image, because there is non available yet on the auction site.

The 80's blue angel was LIGHT BLUE by the way (the one he played on the Lovesexy tour)

More confusing details to point out:

I thought that it might be an Andy Beech cloud even though obviously to us the headstock is wrong. But, Andy himself verified that one of the three earliest clouds that he built had the short Schecter-style headstock. See below:

http://cloudguitarcentral.blogspot.com/2013/03/one-of-28.html

Maybe Andy built the first three with a short headstock?

What is also intersting is that the guitar that Andy verified as "1 of the first 3" has the "old" symbol on the fret board, but the "new" symbol on the sides.

The body is obviously not a Schecter copy due to the rear mounted pickup.

The front of the neck does not look like a Schecter copy neck because the fret markers are decals and not painted on...however, in the photo of the back of the guitar, if you look closely, the fret markers on the side of the neck are painted white, like a Schecter, and they are the "old" symbol.

BlueShakooo said:

Funklov said:

Has anyone else seen this upcoming auction? They are asking 100,000 for a blue cloud replica guitar. I don't know where they got that price, it appears to be nothing more than the ones sold at Paisley Park. It has the stubby headstock and all.Not sure if I am missing something here but it appears to be a scam. https://ultimateclassicro...e-auction/

Yes this is obviously a Schecter replica.

The "Ultimate Classic Rock"-Website seemingly used this image, because there is non available yet on the auction site.

The 80's blue angel was LIGHT BLUE by the way (the one he played on the Lovesexy tour)

You mean the picture shows a Schecter replica,
but there's a possibility the original (assuming there is only one)
Blue Angel that is going for auction?

bonatoc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Funklov said:

Has anyone else seen this upcoming auction? They are asking 100,000 for a blue cloud replica guitar. I don't know where they got that price, it appears to be nothing more than the ones sold at Paisley Park. It has the stubby headstock and all.Not sure if I am missing something here but it appears to be a scam. https://ultimateclassicro...e-auction/

Actually, that's wrong. It clearly states it was owned by Prince. Nowhere does it say it's a replica, neither in the article you posted or the auction site itself.

Julien's Auctions is far from a scam. Here's the link to the actual auction: https://www.juliensauctio...ion?id=307

"Highlights include: a custom-made 1984 blue cloud guitar used by Prince"

Julien's has auctions Prince stuff before, and I have the books of Prince stuff in them to prove it (as does their site). A friend went to one of the previous auctions from a few short years ago.

It's obviously not a "1984" guitar. It's a Schecter. If Julian's is making the claim that it is from 1984 they are wrong.

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The auction is talkng about a serial number, verified with the studio list so let's go easy on the detective work.

Prince owned that guitar, or there's a lot more happening than a sale of a repro. They would have had to forge a serial number too.

The estate has to know what guitars they have, and if they have still guitar #1 on the studio list or not. The auction would also have to know at least some of the provenance of how this left the studio and was acquired.

Discrepencies like this can sometimes be connected to an altered original item to cover for renovation of a damage.

AtlantaHatGuy said:

BlueShakooo said:

AtlantaHatGuy said:

More confusing details to point out:

I thought that it might be an Andy Beech cloud even though obviously to us the headstock is wrong. But, Andy himself verified that one of the three earliest clouds that he built had the short Schecter-style headstock. See below:

http://cloudguitarcentral.blogspot.com/2013/03/one-of-28.html

Maybe Andy built the first three with a short headstock?

What is also intersting is that the guitar that Andy verified as "1 of the first 3" has the "old" symbol on the fret board, but the "new" symbol on the sides.

The body is obviously not a Schecter copy due to the rear mounted pickup.

The front of the neck does not look like a Schecter copy neck because the fret markers are decals and not painted on...however, in the photo of the back of the guitar, if you look closely, the fret markers on the side of the neck are painted white, like a Schecter, and they are the "old" symbol.

Had overlooked your post. Interesting! Always thought none of the original clouds had a short headstock. So, it seems I might be wrong with my theory that the Blue Angel is for sale...

There was a "teal" guitar built by Andy Beech that sold for 700,000 in 2017. Apparently it was used by Prince in the late 80's and early 90's so it is possible that it was the Blue Angel. Not sure if that one had the Batman fretmarkers or was another one. This guitar is supposedly from 1984 which cannot be right, especially if it was made by Beech.

Funklov said:

There was a "teal" guitar built by Andy Beech that sold for 700,000 in 2017. Apparently it was used by Prince in the late 80's and early 90's so it is possible that it was the Blue Angel. Not sure if that one had the Batman fretmarkers or was another one. This guitar is supposedly from 1984 which cannot be right, especially if it was made by Beech.

The small club 2nd night boots have photos from 1988 (Lovesexy era) with a blue guitar about that same shade, for whatever it's worth. It looks heavily modified compared to the bare bones guitar in the auction photos (and doesn't look baby blue in those photos).

But then there's this thread here on the org with a still from a video being discussed where the guitar looks generic like the auction photo, and the same shade blue (but I'm confused by the polka dots with red suit, so I'm guessing 1990).


https://prince.org/msg/7/392593?&pg=3

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lavendardrummachine said:

The main differences I can see are the pickups and frets during whatever period he was wearing both red suits, and polka dots (just before Batman, or Batman era).

There were at least 2 blue guitars used live.

lavendardrummachine said:

Funklov said:

lavendardrummachine said:

The main differences I can see are the pickups and frets during whatever period he was wearing both red suits, and polka dots (just before Batman, or Batman era).

There were at least 2 blue guitars used live.

There is a pic online of his guitar collection around 89-90. It displays three cloud guitars: the black, peach and Blue Angel. Not sure he had a second blue cloud during the Lovesexy tour. He would alternate his peach one with the blue. The blue angel in the pic has the batman fret markers which leads me to believe it was the same one he used during Lovesexy with replaced markers.

There was definitely a baby blue one that people have mentioned in this thread and it's pretty easy to see in the Lovesexy photos. It's not the teal or electric blue or whatever.

Julien's auction sold a Teal one in 2017, that had a bar code, and the serial number too. https://blog.thecurrent.o...t-auction/ That one looks a lot more authentic to me. Here's the back of the current one. https://www.barrons.com/a...1588708145

There are also two blue guitars in these photos at opposite ends of the Vault collection from some message board...there's also a photo there labled from the Diamonds and Pearls tour where he's playing a blue one.

https://www.tdpri.com/threads/princes-guitars-in-pailey-parks-vault-some-cool-axes-there.931705/

I hope someone gets a hold of the catalog to see what the provenance is.

lavendardrummachine said:

Funklov said:

lavendardrummachine said: There is a pic online of his guitar collection around 89-90. It displays three cloud guitars: the black, peach and Blue Angel. Not sure he had a second blue cloud during the Lovesexy tour. He would alternate his peach one with the blue. The blue angel in the pic has the batman fret markers which leads me to believe it was the same one he used during Lovesexy with replaced markers.

There was definitely a baby blue one that people have mentioned in this thread and it's pretty easy to see in the Lovesexy photos. It's not the teal or electric blue or whatever.

Julien's auction sold a Teal one in 2017, that had a bar code, and the serial number too. https://blog.thecurrent.o...t-auction/ That one looks a lot more authentic to me. Here's the back of the current one. https://www.barrons.com/a...1588708145

There are also two blue guitars in these photos at opposite ends of the Vault collection from some message board...there's also a photo there labled from the Diamonds and Pearls tour where he's playing a blue one.

https://www.tdpri.com/threads/princes-guitars-in-pailey-parks-vault-some-cool-axes-there.931705/

I hope someone gets a hold of the catalog to see what the provenance is.

Interesting that the blue cloud in this Paisley Park storage pic has a stubby headstock like the one being auctioned. However it has dot fret markers, not his symbol.

Astonishingly, the guitar on auction appears to be one of the original four Clouds: https://www.rollingstone....n-1002152/

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https://www.julienslive.c...lot/138241

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https://www.juliensauctio...ping_Book/

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BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.julienslive.c...lot/138241

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https://www.juliensauctio...ping_Book/

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That's incredible (and explains the discrepancy in color with the two blues).

Anyone in denial that was throwing out their expert opinions only need know that the guitar's creator authenticated it for the auction house. I do think they need to reveal the provenance. The Estate should even insist on it.

My wild guess is someone like Mayte or a former employee listed it, and doesn't want to take heat for it.

lavendardrummachine said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.julienslive.c...lot/138241

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https://www.juliensauctio...ping_Book/

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That's incredible (and explains the discrepancy in color with the two blues).

Anyone in denial that was throwing out their expert opinions only need know that the guitar's creator authenticated it for the auction house. I do think they need to reveal the provenance. The Estate should even insist on it.

My wild guess is someone like Mayte or a former employee listed it, and doesn't want to take heat for it.

That;s some really great info there!
I can;'t wait for the book.

Check out https://prince.org/msg/7/463239 for lengthy excerpts from that upcoming book about the Cloud.

I guess I just don't get it, because even if I had that kind of money to spend on a guitar once played or owned by Prince, why would I want to? I mean, it's not like Prince himself is going to magically appear and strum the thing! To me, all it would be is a $100,000 dust collector that you could brag about owning on social media, and showing off to others.....I guess some might get some sort of thrill out of that, but it doesn't do a thing for me. In the end, these things are meaningless, I guess that's why you can't take them with you when you die.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/pro...s/p08f3flc