TheGloved1 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

TheGloved1 your argument doesn't make much sense.

- It's still art even if it hasn't been released. Saying that you will never release two well known outtakes from the vault, because he says the word rape, is effectively a (poor) attempt to erase that portion of his work from history.
- "Go listen to the bootleg and be happy." That's the most absurd point of this. I can type Extralovable or Lust U Always into YouTube and listen to it right now. No hoops or money required. So why can't Warner Bros include it on the physical edition of 1999 Deluxe? Nobody is being protected by their decision and the only ones with no choice in this equation are the customers. You know, the people that would like their vault material in the highest quality possible and the ones that Warner is hoping will buy the boxset.
- Prince selected Xtralovable and Lust U Always as candidates for Crystal Ball 2. Why would he do that if he wanted them vaulted forever? The fans chose Xtralovable and Lust U Always for Crystal Ball 2. Why would they do that if it was so offensive they needed a fainting couch at such horrible vulgarity?

TheGloved1 said:

Is this the hill "hardcore" fans wanna die on?

I know, right? Isn’t it ridiculous to think that Prince fans would actually want Prince music to be released. I just don’t understand these people.

Strive said:

- Prince selected Xtralovable and Lust U Always as candidates for Crystal Ball 2. Why would he do that if he wanted them vaulted forever? The fans chose Xtralovable and Lust U Always for Crystal Ball 2. Why would they do that if it was so offensive they needed a fainting couch at such horrible vulgarity?

We don't know if Prince would have included the original recordings or edited/reworked versions. Probably the latter.

Prince revealed so much of what humans are really like in his art. He told us things with his lyrics no one dares tell. Posthumously, his art should be released AS IS with no filters.

Industry censorship is always bad. People who can't play a note or write anything decide this stuff arbitrarily to their taste, ugh, no. The worst is when they want to "do what Prince would have done". Put themselves inside his work and think it's important.

Strive said:

The really sad thing is that is what Warner Bros do with Looney Tunes cartoons. Actual children's entertainment gets more respect than adult Prince fans. That's how little they think of you.

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Actually, the mistake Warner Brothers made with Looney Tunes is trying to classify it as children's entertainment when it was really meant more for adult audiences (they were packaged together with news reels and main features in the movie theaters back in the day). Looney Tunes is closer in classification to offensive, politically incorrect, adult-oriented animation like South Park than it is to family friendly content like Disney cartoons (although some of those early Disney shorts from the 20s and 30s probably have some offensive content as well).

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But I agree with your point and I also think that the estate should really find an alternative method to getting these more explicit tracks to us fans who want them. Perhaps release them as stand alone tracks or on a "Rude Boy" compilation with warnings and red flags so that someone who was victimized by rape or just highly sensitive isn't going to be blind-sided by the lyrics. I imagine that they just didn't want the conversation around such an important record as 1999 to be hijacked by MeToo culture. But they dishonor and offend us long time, hard core fans that have been through thick and thin with Prince for such a long time.

poppys said:

Industry censorship is always bad.

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Yet it is a trend in the USSA.

It is a sign of the times.

TYhis means we should press this case extra hard towards Michael, Estate, WB and such.

udo said:

poppys said:

Industry censorship is always bad.

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Yet it is a trend in the USSA.

It is a sign of the times.

TYhis means we should press this case extra hard towards Michael, Estate, WB and such.

We will all turn to dust eventually. Should Prince's body of work be edited by a bunch of industry hacks for their current earthly reasons? NO! Release it the way the artist made it. Let's paint clothes on all the naked bodies in the Sistine Chapel too, smdh.

olb99 said:

Strive said:

- Prince selected Xtralovable and Lust U Always as candidates for Crystal Ball 2. Why would he do that if he wanted them vaulted forever? The fans chose Xtralovable and Lust U Always for Crystal Ball 2. Why would they do that if it was so offensive they needed a fainting couch at such horrible vulgarity?

We don't know if Prince would have included the original recordings or edited/reworked versions. Probably the latter.

Until we have some definitive proof that he was going to edit Xtraloveable, probably for time restraints, or Lust U Always then you have to let them fly as recorded.

As far as I know, Crystal Ball 2 was never assembled so we'll probably never know for sure what his plan was.

Also there's a point to be made that they should still be released even if Prince changed them. Who wouldn't want Warner to release the original version of Old Friends 4 Sale or the uncensored version of Rebirth Of The Flesh, even though Prince later changed his mind on both.

udo said:

poppys said:

Industry censorship is always bad.

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Yet it is a trend in the USSA.

It is a sign of the times.

TYhis means we should press this case extra hard towards Michael, Estate, WB and such.

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... press this case extra hard towards... ?

What war we're in ?

Covid19 or 2 unreleased trx in (nearly post-) #MeToo times ?

lol ...Joe biden might be next.

"No no that's not how it works" (P quote)

But you're right about these kind of trends in the USA.

In fact it has always been this way.

Anyways... what did 'skinny motherfucker' say ?

"If you can't beat 'm, join 'm." (P quote)

These tracks are out there. We all heard 'm a zillion times.

Not much to change about that, not even in a hard way.

("You gotta fight for your right, to paaaaaaarty" (Beastie Boys quote)

Best we could get are (free) downloads.

I already compiled my own damn 1999 super-deluxe-version.

Only thing is I can't press it on vinyl.

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Peace

(P quote too)

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Vannormal said:

udo said:

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Yet it is a trend in the USSA.

It is a sign of the times.

TYhis means we should press this case extra hard towards Michael, Estate, WB and such.

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... press this case extra hard towards... ?

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I mentioned those parties.

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What war we're in ?

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Would you think that they, when there's money on the line, will understand how things can work based on the choices this far?

That is why we need to press extra hard to be sure some people might `get` it.

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lol ...Joe biden might be next.

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He is in teh optimal age bracket.

And for karma reasons he should suffer from COVID-19 a bit.

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Anyways... what did 'skinny motherfucker' say ?

"If you can't beat 'm, join 'm." (P quote)

These tracks are out there. We all heard 'm a zillion times.

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Yes.

A properly mastered version, perhaps a slightly different version (not edit, but take), is still very nice to have.

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Not much to change about that, not even in a hard way.

("You gotta fight for your right, to paaaaaaarty" (Beastie Boys quote)

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The album (1999 remastered) has already been released; they will not redo that one anytime soon.

I get that.

But the quote suggests we should fight.

Do we have proper contact info for Michael, The Estate, WB or any other relevant parties?

WB netherlands does not listen, I know from email attempts.

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my cinical remarks got lost in your reading

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I don't believe there's not enough money on the line,

the museum, maintaining the vault material, etc must coast a fortune

(and no I don't like to search for all expenses, I'll gladly leave that up to Bart)

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"and for karma reasons... a bit"

that's something you even don't wish your worst enemy.

something I even do not wish for Trump (...but I might have second thoughts on that one)

Anyways.

Be sure Michael Howe or people from his team peek in here from time to time.

I think that's highly possible - yes i know it's an assumption.

Prince apparently was here too from what i've read - also assumed.

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This here, the .org, is the biggest Prince stall left full of mostly 45+ aged freaks like us and me (over 50) who like to spend $/Euros on music from the previous century.

Still, peace (...in dit tranendal).

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(RIP Little Richard. Prince stole a lot from you.

+ read interesting quote from Paul McCartney posted on Instagram)

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udo said:

Vannormal said:

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Yes.

A properly mastered version, perhaps a slightly different version (not edit, but take), is still very nice to have.

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Not much to change about that, not even in a hard way.

("You gotta fight for your right, to paaaaaaarty" (Beastie Boys quote)

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The album (1999 remastered) has already been released; they will not redo that one anytime soon.

I get that.

But the quote suggests we should fight.

Do we have proper contact info for Michael, The Estate, WB or any other relevant parties?

WB netherlands does not listen, I know from email attempts.

SantanaMaitreya said:

They just didn't want to cause any trouble. All it takes is one nitwit on Twitter saying: Prince was a rapist! And you have a shitstorm. And the Estate (understandably) wants to present the late great Prince as a good person who always helped others. That said, I agree with everybody who says these songs should be released. Every fan understands that this is fantasy.

Agreed. As much I would've liked the two songs to have been included, I don't want him caught up in any fuckery. While while he was here and especially now that he's gone. Can you say "Leaving Neverland"

This is the way I see it: if those songs were to be released in this day and age they are out there for whoever to see. One thing leads to another right? Not saying it woould happen in this case but it could and all it takes is for one nosey TMZ gossip reporter to come across those songs (whether on the album or here on the Org since it's such a hot topic) and that person will start something unnecessarily.

Maybe the above is just hyperbole but if there are only two Prince songs that I never get to hear in my life and those are the two, I wont be sad. I already know the man's greatness or else I wouldnt be here. I dont really think this is that big of deal.

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Censorship is not the solution to a TMZ type reporter starting something. Much great art would never pass that inane test. That's why we should keep it it intact for later generations. I do understand the point. Prince's art will outlive TMZ, but not gossips, no doubt.

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