thebanishedone said:

Prince knew that a lot of fans would be alienated 4gotth Hit'N 'Run pt 1 album so he used some elements that would attract his regular fans like killer bass playing and adding 3 potencial classic with 1 very well known outtake.It was Prunce updating or dumbing down his music in order to appeal to kids ,yet some essencial elements were added to the sound to save the album from disaster

You are assuming You had no idea what he thought.

luv4u said:

I think you're over-thinking it.

You really could argue this theory with a lot of Prince albums if you really wanted.

I really like that album though... I prefer "updating" versus "dumbing down", and I feel like this thread speaks more to your aversion to modern music than any thing necessarily with Prince's intent to make modern music palatable to old school fans...

What did you think of MPLSound and 20Ten out of curiosity?

[Edited 4/30/20 23:48pm]

'Dumbing down' would be a poor choice of words because it suggests that all of Prince's previous work had been a lot more sophisticated. A lot of it had, a lot of it hadn't. Generally though, I agree with you. I get a sense that the first half of the album is where Prince tried to do something new, while the second half is Prince doing what he already knows he's good at. Personally, in this case I prefer the second half, even if it less adventurous. Shut This Down and Ain't About 2 Stop are awful. Million $ Show and Like a Mack have grown on me. Everything from X's Face onwards is great, BUT I appreciate what the earlier tracks were going for, and they're definitely a step forward from the late 2000s creative rut he got into.

I can appreciate HNR phase one so much more now than back in 2015, when it was released, i have to be honest i thought it was garbage, like he was trying too hard and it didn't feel organic record at all. I think the problem is the timing, he probably recorded many of these songs years before the album was released and the songs probably sounded current but by the time he put the album on Tidal, many of these songs were too 2009-2010... like it was a bit late and sounded dated and generic.

But 70% of the album is very good.

thedoorkeeper said:

It's amazing how some of you know what Prince's thoughts & motives were.

uh huh

thebanishedone said:

I don't have anything against modern music but i have against crappy music.i have a feeling that Prince was aware that album is not that good.i think he wanted to give Josh a chance after great AOA albun reviews but after hearing song mixes he felt that maybe young crowd wouldn't care and older fans wouldn't like it.So he added some vintage tricks.he aplayed some really inspired bass all over that record and he knew that 1000x&O's is one of the more popular outtakes.

I loved Hit'N'Run, both of them. Why assume your specific musical taste speaks for the entire spectrum Prince fan?

lezama said:

thebanishedone said:

Good question.you do know that HitNRun pt1 is the worst rated album by Prince amd it gave him worst reviews of his career.

Based on what? Just pulling up the Wikipedia side-panels for this and Come, Come was clearly reviewed worse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/..._Phase_One
https://en.wikipedia.org/...nce_album)

And Come was great, so, I fail to see what an aggregation of media reviews prove.... You mean fan reviews? Fans loved the cheeseball Gold Experience, what do they know?

[Edited 5/3/20 2:00am]

Speaking of,

WhisperingDandelions said:

What did you think of MPLSound and 20Ten out of curiosity?

WhisperingDandelions said:

thebanishedone said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Speaking of,

I think both r good albums.better than HitNRun1. On both of those you can feel Prince pulse

The Prince pulse from 1984 maybe.

Thank you for answering, but those two records are complete bottom of the barrel and ecapsulate "dumbing down" his sound to lift your choice of phrase more than 50 Rita Ora collaborations ever could... It's literally the dude doing a bad facsimile of his Purple Funk sound from 30 years ago with zero edge and zero nuance... What the Around the World in a Day detractors longed for in '85 finally come to fruition and presented with unabashed cookie-cutter by-the-numbers contrivance.

Like I said in the third post, your assessment of Hit'N'Run Phase One speaks more to your aversion to modern music than anything else, emphasized by the fact that you think a cardboard cut-out imitation of his most mainstream of eras denotes "good albums"... I'd rather he try something new and "bad" than recycle something he already did that was "good"... Something tells me in the stretch of time between when you became a fan and when this album came out you somehow lost sight of why Prince was such an exciting artist worth sticking around for 40+ records... because 20Ten and MPLSound are indeed the absolute furthest from that, not Hit'N'Run Phase One.

I could tell the angle you were coming from right off the bat. Thank you for the confirmation.

[Edited 5/3/20 7:15am]

WhisperingDandelions said:

Prince seemed to be diversifying his album approaches.

He puts out AOA and Plectrumspectrum the same time, and he releases HitnRun to Tidal first, with a phase one title, and all of Josh's credits...then only a few months later we get phase two that's got Screwdriver that he'd been promoting, and Extraloveable on it, but the physical release was a concert ticket/giveaway.

Kinda seems like he's changing his mind a lot, or not commited to any one calculated plan.

Oh, and when we think classic Prince, a lot of us typically think Linn drum, but Prince on the other hand might have thought "Do Me Baby".

thebanishedone said:

Prince knew that a lot of fans would be alienated with Hit'N 'Run pt 1 album so he used some elements that would attract his regular fans like killer bass playing and adding 3 potencial classic with 1 very well known outtake.It was Prunce updating or dumbing down his music in order to appeal to kids ,yet some essencial elements were added to the sound to save the album from disaster [Edited 4/30/20 20:14pm]

Of course it is speculating, but I personally think you might well be right here.

thebanishedone said:

Prince knew that a lot of fans would be alienated with Hit'N 'Run pt 1 album so he used some elements that would attract his regular fans like killer bass playing and adding 3 potencial classic with 1 very well known outtake.It was Prunce updating or dumbing down his music in order to appeal to kids ,yet some essencial elements were added to the sound to save the album from disaster [Edited 4/30/20 20:14pm]

I thought it was one of his best and most creative albums in a while. When it came out I listened to it over and over.

thebanishedone said:

Prince knew that a lot of fans would be alienated with Hit'N 'Run pt 1

That's a lie.

TrivialPursuit said:

thebanishedone said:

TrivialPursuit said:

That's a lie.

So why he released part 2 less than a year latter? Why he promoted the album with the word contraversial experimental?

Sorry, were you saying something? I can't read a fucking thing you typed. You typed, "Prince knew that a lot of fans would be alienated with Hit'N 'Run pt 1." You have zero evidence of his thought process or what he was considering. You only know what was put out. You have zero evidence of him having a conversation with anyone about alienating fans because of this record (opposed to the huge divide something more worthy of discussion like The Rainbow Children caused).

So again, your statement is a lie.

TrivialPursuit said:

thebanishedone said:

huh i didn't even notice who is writing this post and when i realised its Trivialwhatsoever things got clear to me.i told you i ain't going to discuss anything with you and i suggest you to ignore my pist in the future and i will ignore your sad ass for sure.

You said that before, but here ya are.

Point being, your statement is still a lie.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Lordy said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

The Prince pulse from 1984 maybe.

Thank you for answering, but those two records are complete bottom of the barrel and ecapsulate "dumbing down" his sound to lift your choice of phrase more than 50 Rita Ora collaborations ever could... It's literally the dude doing a bad facsimile of his Purple Funk sound from 30 years ago with zero edge and zero nuance... What the Around the World in a Day detractors longed for in '85 finally come to fruition and presented with unabashed cookie-cutter by-the-numbers contrivance.

Like I said in the third post, your assessment of Hit'N'Run Phase One speaks more to your aversion to modern music than anything else, emphasized by the fact that you think a cardboard cut-out imitation of his most mainstream of eras denotes "good albums"... I'd rather he try something new and "bad" than recycle something he already did that was "good"... Something tells me in the stretch of time between when you became a fan and when this album came out you somehow lost sight of why Prince was such an exciting artist worth sticking around for 40+ records... because 20Ten and MPLSound are indeed the absolute furthest from that, not Hit'N'Run Phase One.

I could tell the angle you were coming from right off the bat. Thank you for the confirmation.

[Edited 5/3/20 7:15am]

. Well said. Give me HnR P1 over 20Ten anyday.

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Yes - So much so HnR P1 is, for me, the hardest album for me to play since Prince's death. This is because it showed what he could do to take music forward in 2015 and beyond - but there was to be no beyond.

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HnR P1 always makes me think about what we are missing out on since 21 April 2016.

IanRG said:

I'm not really sure how anyone at that period in his life could second guess his motivations.
I doubt the members of 3rdeyeGirl knew either. Nor, even the very folks on the plane with him that was diverted when he had his medical emergency a bit later.


All I can say is that the fact it was produced by soneone in his universe instead of by him alone could have been a practical decision? He couldn't have possibly been unaffected by his opiod addiction. I mean he's seen biking to the store HIMSELF to pick up drugs.

The guy was in severe pain, a workalolicm probably under financial pressure, and well into a midlife criss period (I'm not saying he was going through one),... SO anything is possible, but unprovable.


What I can say is that I liked his output of late: Art Official Age, HnR1, and HnR2. I didn't love it, but I did get the sense that he was trying to write again. I found the material at least on par with COME, D&P (mostly), and Emancipation. Breaking no new group, being pretty safe, but at least pretty good for the most part. I liked it much more than NPMLSound and Planet Earth.

But with Prince, to each their own.