lavendardrummachine said:

Clean it up, folks, or this thread will be locked like the Apples thread...

lavendardrummachine said:

RJOrion said:

no YOU stop...you should know that there are certain terms and code words historically and currently used by the "dominant" culture, when discussing black men... words like "Thug", "aggressive", "militant",.. so your attempt to bend the true meaning of the word, and post some abstract alternative meaning, is a wasted effort...nice try though.

Sure, there are code words and racism, but that's not on display here...and you're interjecting that struggle in here is no different than people interjecting their anti-religion feelings.

I'm not bending "the true meaning" of the word, I cut through the projection of racialist minutia with the challenge that you can't say there isn't a meaning of the word that doesn't fit what they described with the Bentley story.

He said to his wealthy celebrity boss "that's going to be mine". Who does that? How can you imply that's a racial trait to act like that, and criticism is based on his race? It's not. Neither was their internalized thoughts that he's the type who could have just handed them the keys permanently.

also Hannah saying she wanted the jacket Prince wore to the Whitehouse ...

RJOrion said:

im not a Christian at all...but if they are zealous or even overzealous in their love for their Lord, why does that in ANY way bother people to the point of disrespect and name calling?...what they eat, doesnt make you shit...what emotion is it that makes a person feel disdain or contempt for another person's joy..🤔 [Edited 4/27/20 11:01am]

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looby said:

kygermo said:

I thought they were corny then, and find them to be even more corny now. These 2 and the bizarre influence they had on P never sat well with me. Was also very distasteful of her to talk about her salary. These 2 also strike me as the overbearing kool-aid drinking types that bbq tofu burgers with Kirk Cameron and his people every Saturday in the summer (Never on Sundays, though. Can't miss being with the congregation and having the prestegious honor of being ushers in charge of passing those collection baskets from aisle to aisle).

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She's a great drummer, no doubt. Ideal for 3EG and the heavier rock sound Prince was aiming for with them. However, she didnt have a funky bone in her body and her intricate, heavy-handed and lead-footed style really made those expanded NPG lineups sound stiff as a board. She sounded totally out of her element, and it was clear as day.

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Josh? Well, besides being an absolutely batshit crazy choice as the remastering engineer for PR, did he do anything else of substance in contributing? Fuck that guy and the horse he rode in on.

I find you and your judgement of them just as corny. Prince was a grown man, who lived his life how he pleased, and if he chose these people as his friends or someone that he wanted in his life, that's no one's business but his! What gives you the right to say what kind of influence they had on him...something you know nothing about, unless you were a part of it! People can live their lives however they want to, because IT'S THEIR LIFE, NOT YOURS! What they do with their lives, and how they live it, is none of your business! Judge not, lest you be judged.....truth and fact!

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and there you juged kygermo

peace though

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besides the judgements, about hana's drummign: spot on.

about josh's remasterings skilss : spot on.

most people here stated that already, this is nothing new.

the only funk this band had was a bit of Ida's bass...

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80tomato said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Sure, there are code words and racism, but that's not on display here...and you're interjecting that struggle in here is no different than people interjecting their anti-religion feelings.

I'm not bending "the true meaning" of the word, I cut through the projection of racialist minutia with the challenge that you can't say there isn't a meaning of the word that doesn't fit what they described with the Bentley story.

He said to his wealthy celebrity boss "that's going to be mine". Who does that? How can you imply that's a racial trait to act like that, and criticism is based on his race? It's not. Neither was their internalized thoughts that he's the type who could have just handed them the keys permanently.

also Hannah saying she wanted the jacket Prince wore to the Whitehouse ...

I don't see any problem with 'the Bentley story' or the Whitehouse jacket story.

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Don't people say to friends/family/colleagues things like 'I like your car/jacket/shoes etc, I'd love that/them.' I took it as Josh saying he is going to get a car like that when he makes it, not that actual car.

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P obviously saw them as close friends the fact he let them drive the car and into his world so its normal chat/banter, how anyone can see it as aggressive or malicious is beyond me.

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Yes, they were a bit over the top at times and I got a 'this one time at band camp' vibe, and the religon isn't my cup of tea but whatever. Again; nothing aggresive to me

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You can see why P loved them with them being ultra religious and I give them credit for not speaking about P until now and not trying to cash in like others. It was interesting to hear some new info on AOA and HNR Phase 1 and other anecdotes from their time

dodger said:

udo said:

jdcxc said:

The Obama jacket was cool, but we need to hear more stories and insight into that historic concert experience...maybe the Documentary.

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Obama and cool in once sentence.

When a `president` has so much war to do, cannot show his actual birth papers, kills his own people without due trial, then what has that nation become?

Clinton was cool because he did womething in music, but he was also a sexual predator.

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The PR thing is way more important because they destroyed the most well known record of that man.

what the hell is this racist ass statement? birth papers? really? the fact that you can even say this on the internet in a prince forum is wild

violetcrush said:

By many accounts Prince was pretty generous that way. [Edited 4/29/20 5:56am] [Edited 4/29/20 5:56am]

Yes, but the accounts aren't usually told by young folks talking about how overtly aware they were of Prince's generosity, and didn't openly admit to working him with prophecy talk, that Prince obviously shared too.

It's also not that they drove the car. They coveted objects that were signs of Prince's affluence.

We don't have a lot of accounts of engineers or band members having the kind of relationship they had.

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

By many accounts Prince was pretty generous that way. [Edited 4/29/20 5:56am] [Edited 4/29/20 5:56am]

Yes, but the accounts aren't usually told by young folks talking about how overtly aware they were of Prince's generosity, and didn't openly admit to working him with prophecy talk, that Prince obviously shared too.

It's also not that they drove the car. They coveted objects that were signs of Prince's affluence.

We don't have a lot of accounts of engineers or band members having the kind of relationship they had.

You are comparing apples to oranges with regard to Josh and Hannah's relationship to Prince and associates/friends/girlfriends of the 80's and 90's. Prince was in a COMPLETELY different place professionally, emotionally, physically, and religiously when he began working with Hannah. Impossible to compare the two - other than to say that, in general, Prince was usually quite generous with his friends when it came to his material things.

tab32792 said:

jdcxc said:

tab32792 said:

what the hell is this racist ass statement? birth papers? really? the fact that you can even say this on the internet in a prince forum is wild

Exactly.

Right. He/she does know that tRumps (aka Drumpf's) "birther" accusation fell flat on its face, right?? Who does not know that by now??

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Also, "too busy with war" and "killing his own people"?? WTF? If capturing and killing Osama Bin Pscycho means he was "too busy with war" then I'll take it. Somebody tell this moron that Obama actually pulled most of our troops out of Afghanistan after Bush lied and many people died.

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Clinton a sexual predator?? Did he get a blowy from his over 18 willing Intern? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes. Does that make him a "sexual predator"? No. Has this Orger checked out the video of Drumpf bragging about grabbing womens' parts and doing "whatever he wants" to them??

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Idiocy at its finest.

violetcrush said:

Prince was in a COMPLETELY different place professionally, emotionally, physically, and religiously when he began working with Hannah.

As in, increasingly vulnerable, in the last few years of his life? This isn't a commentary on Prince or how he perceived it though, it's a commentary on the self interests of the people around him.

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

He seemed to have a clear head until the end. He was mentally stable, just not physically stable.

I'm not going down this rabbit hole, but that's absurd.

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

He seemed to have a clear head until the end. He was mentally stable, just not physically stable.

I'm not going down this rabbit hole, but that's absurd.

Rabbit hole?? Okay sure. Food for thought: Had Prince been mentally unstable I highly doubt that he could have planned, and maintained the P&M tour schedule up to the week before he passed.

11 shows in 9 days in Australia, then 9 shows in Canada and the states. You can't perform like that without mental acuity. Pain meds affect your physical state, not your mental capacity. Prince's body was deteriorating because of the strong meds, but his brain was still functioning just fine.

That's not how addiction, pain fatigue, narcotics, resulting in overdoses and death over time, works.

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lavendardrummachine said:

That's not how addiction, pain fatigue, narcotics, resulting in overdoses and death over time, works.

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Yes, that is actually how it works. You become physically and phsysiologically addicted to the drug, but it does not affect your mental capacity. Pain and fatigue are not mental instability. Opioids are not a hallucinogenic drug, which, when taken in high doses, can reduce mental capacity and mental health. Prince was trying to block his physical pain, but the drugs he was using take a physical toll on the body, because the body needs more and more to stop the pain. Weight loss occurs due to lack of appetite, which then results in malnourishment and fatigue. Bad and vicious merry-go-round that is extremely hard to get off, which is why so many don't make it.

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From nih.gov:

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Common side effects of opioid administration include sedation, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, constipation, physical dependence, tolerance, and respiratory depression. Physical dependence and addiction are clinical concerns that may prevent proper prescribing and in turn inadequate pain management.

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violetcrush said:

Yes, that is actually how it works.

Mmm, not really, and like I said, not going down that rabbit hole.

tab32792 said:

what the hell is this racist ass statement?

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WTF is racist about verifying citizen status?

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birth papers? really? the fact that you can even say this on the internet in a prince forum is wild

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When the status is in doubt, and it was, it makes no good sign when thre prez seals his papers.

It shows he has something to hide.

Combine that will the other common shady practices and you see an evil person.

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Same with prosecuting HRC.

The fact that this corrupt person is not prosecuted shows the corruption.

Same for Joe 'QuidProJoe' Biden.

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Same type of problem.

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Within 5 to 10 years, because of this and other issues, the USSA will be unrecognizable.

Gotta love the moderation on this site. Mods are nowhere to be seen when an idiot keeps pushing his political agenda in a topic about Hannah and Josh – but as soon as a discussion about Prince barely mentions another artist's name, it gets snipped as "off topic" or the entire topic is moved to the "non Prince-related" forum.

Kares said:

Gotta love the moderation on this site. Mods are nowhere to be seen when an idiot keeps pushing his political agenda in a topic about Hannah and Josh – but as soon as a discussion about Prince barely mentions another artist's name, it gets snipped as "off topic" or the entire topic is moved to the "non Prince-related" forum.

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We came this far because people did not see reality like it is.

Mentioning Obama (!) and jacket is not politics? (he is gone, so why is he still `relevant`?)

I explained why mr Soetoro, Obama or whatever his name is is not cool. Facts, not politics.

I explained why Hannah might look happy all the time. No politics.

Someone called me birther and I responded to that, someone else did not recognise fake papers from the correct one(s). Does that belong in a Hannah thread?

I explained that verifying citizen status is not 'racist', by just that sentence. Does 'racist' belong in a Hannah thread?

I explained the corruption. Facts. Not politics.

Other people muight view reality differently but the facts cannot be disputed as they are clear and in the open.

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Hannah found a new job recently?

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udo said:

tab32792 said:

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WTF is racist about verifying citizen status?

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birth papers? really? the fact that you can even say this on the internet in a prince forum is wild

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When the status is in doubt, and it was, it makes no good sign when thre prez seals his papers.

It shows he has something to hide.

Combine that will the other common shady practices and you see an evil person.

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Same with prosecuting HRC.

The fact that this corrupt person is not prosecuted shows the corruption.

Same for Joe 'QuidProJoe' Biden.

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Same type of problem.

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Within 5 to 10 years, because of this and other issues, the USSA will be unrecognizable.

Take it to politics udo, it has nothing to do with this topic.

udo said:

tab32792 said:

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WTF is racist about verifying citizen status?

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birth papers? really? the fact that you can even say this on the internet in a prince forum is wild

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When the status is in doubt, and it was, it makes no good sign when thre prez seals his papers.

It shows he has something to hide.

Combine that will the other common shady practices and you see an evil person.

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Same with prosecuting HRC.

The fact that this corrupt person is not prosecuted shows the corruption.

Same for Joe 'QuidProJoe' Biden.

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Same type of problem.

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Within 5 to 10 years, because of this and other issues, the USSA will be unrecognizable.

Are you blatantly ignorant, purposely trolling, or just plain poorly read??? Here is a link to factcheck.org, which lays out EXACTLY what transpired with Trump's racist "birther" movement. And a snippet stating how Trump had to stick his fat orange tail between his legs and admit that Obama IS in fact a natural born citizen:

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"Donald Trump finally, definitively allowed that “President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.” But his terse statement on the matter included two falsehoods.

“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it,” Trump said in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 16. Neither of those things is true."

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https://www.factcheck.org...rtificate/

Kares said:

Gotta love the moderation on this site. Mods are nowhere to be seen when an idiot keeps pushing his political agenda in a topic about Hannah and Josh – but as soon as a discussion about Prince barely mentions another artist's name, it gets snipped as "off topic" or the entire topic is moved to the "non Prince-related" forum.

Agreed. Spewing blatant racist false statements is somehow less of an infraction?? Seems is bit "off" to me.

violetcrush said:

udo said:

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When the status is in doubt, and it was, it makes no good sign when thre prez seals his papers.

It shows he has something to hide.

Combine that will the other common shady practices and you see an evil person.

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Same with prosecuting HRC.

The fact that this corrupt person is not prosecuted shows the corruption.

Same for Joe 'QuidProJoe' Biden.

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Same type of problem.

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Within 5 to 10 years, because of this and other issues, the USSA will be unrecognizable.

Are you blatantly ignorant, purposely trolling, or just plain poorly read??? Here is a link to factcheck.org, which lays out EXACTLY what transpired with Trump's racist "birther" movement. And a snippet stating how Trump had to stick his fat orange tail between his legs and admit that Obama IS in fact a natural born citizen:

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"Donald Trump finally, definitively allowed that “President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.” But his terse statement on the matter included two falsehoods.

“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it,” Trump said in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 16. Neither of those things is true."

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https://www.factcheck.org...rtificate/

"Back in 2008, the Obama campaign had made public the official birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii. FactCheck.org staffers touched, examined and photographed that document, as we wrote in our “Born in the U.S.A.” article. Trump claimed in 2011 that the official “Certification of Live Birth” that Obama produced in 2008 was “not a birth certificate,” but we noted then that he was wrong. The U.S. Department of State uses “birth certificate” as a generic term to include the official Hawaii document, which satisfies legal requirements for proving citizenship and obtaining a passport."

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"And there was more evidence than that.

There also were public announcements of Obama’s birth published in Hawaii newspapers shortly after his birth in 1961 (placed there not by his family, as Trump suggested, but based on official state records). And the state’s top vital records official, Dr. Chiyome Leinaala Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, issued a statement in 2009 stating that she had “seen the original vital records maintained on file” and that those records, which are confidential under state law, verified that “Barack Hussein Obama was ...n citizen.”

On April 27, 2011, just a few weeks after Trump began floating some of his bogus conspiracy theories about Obama’s birthplace, President Obama released the long-form version of his ...ertificate. At the time, Obama said he sought release of the confidential long-form birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health so that the nation could focus on more serious matters. “We do not have time for this kind of silliness,” he said."

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RJOrion said:

Hey, udo as the young kids say: HOLD THIS "L"

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tRUMP supporters on the Org....what a complete oxymoron

violetcrush said: