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thebanishedone

Prince giving Shhh to Tevin Cambel

Do you think that it was not appropriate from Prince to give a kid to sing a song about sex?Shhh is a very sexy rnb song and Tevin was like minor when he was singing it
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Reply #1 posted 03/27/20 1:02am

robertgeorge

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thebanishedone said:

Do you think that it was not appropriate from Prince to give a kid to sing a song about sex?Shhh is a very sexy rnb song and Tevin was like minor when he was singing it

I don't think it was inappropriate at all. Tevin Campbell was around 17 when this album was released it. Even the lyrics are tailored to him "do you after school like some homework" It is slightly risque but no more than "wake up suzie" Everly Brothers or "I'll make love to you" Boyz 2 men. Strange question.

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Reply #2 posted 03/27/20 3:05am

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thebanishedone said:

Do you think that it was not appropriate from Prince to give a kid to sing a song about sex?Shhh is a very sexy rnb song and Tevin was like minor when he was singing it


I did low key wonder why a minor was singing those kind of sexualized lyrics. But in music as you know that's common. I personally didn't think the song suit Tevin but he did a great job. and the other person who replied saying that the lyrics were tailored to Tevin,it was not, those are the original lyrics. The prince version is the best and I still love it to this day
Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #3 posted 03/27/20 4:20am

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Personally I found it creepy when Prince sung it. It's one of very few songs I generally skip. The song is from the point of view of a young adult (do you after school like some homework), the idea of an older guy singing it is a little too statutory rape for my liking. I loved Tevins version tho.
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Reply #4 posted 03/27/20 5:29am

RJOrion

nothing "creepy" about Tevin doing that joint...its just a song ...and plenty of 17 year olds do fuck after school...its nature, not creepiness
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Reply #5 posted 03/27/20 6:37am

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inovio said:

and the other person who replied saying that the lyrics were tailored to Tevin,it was not, those are the original lyrics.

The original lyrics written for Tevin. Tevin's version was years before Prince's version.

[Edited 3/27/20 6:37am]

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Reply #6 posted 03/27/20 9:17am

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thebanishedone said:

Do you think that it was not appropriate from Prince to give a kid to sing a song about sex?Shhh is a very sexy rnb song and Tevin was like minor when he was singing it


How is it any different than Prince himself singing about the things he did at the age he did when he started? Is it just as wrong for kids to sing along to sexual songs? Are we into an area of censorship here? No one made Tevin record anything. Tevin said no to plenty of songs for an album, as much as he said yes.

That said, in general I don't enjoy his version. The production is ...meh.

Just when U think U've got more than enough, that's when it all up and flies away.
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Reply #7 posted 03/27/20 10:21am

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TrivialPursuit said:

thebanishedone said:

Do you think that it was not appropriate from Prince to give a kid to sing a song about sex?Shhh is a very sexy rnb song and Tevin was like minor when he was singing it


How is it any different than Prince himself singing about the things he did at the age he did when he started? Is it just as wrong for kids to sing along to sexual songs? Are we into an area of censorship here? No one made Tevin record anything. Tevin said no to plenty of songs for an album, as much as he said yes.

That said, in general I don't enjoy his version. The production is ...meh.

Tevin lost playing checkers with Prince and therefore had to record the 'rap' part in Round And Round, does that count? biggrin

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Reply #8 posted 03/27/20 12:18pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:

inovio said:

and the other person who replied saying that the lyrics were tailored to Tevin,it was not, those are the original lyrics.

The original lyrics written for Tevin. Tevin's version was years before Prince's version.

[Edited 3/27/20 6:37am]

Yes that is right. The first version released was the version was the version Prince released for Tevin in 1992 not the gold experience version. It seems likely the homework line was a simile used to match the singer Tevin. The original Prince version I believe is unheard. We only have the Shhh version that was released MUCH later. It is interesting that Prince kept the homework line in his version, I suppose that he felt it worked as an image.

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Reply #9 posted 03/27/20 12:24pm

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RJOrion said:

nothing "creepy" about Tevin doing that joint...its just a song ...and plenty of 17 year olds do fuck after school...its nature, not creepiness

Correct. And as someone also said Prince at a similar age was writing graphic songs. For example his first single was soft and wet with clever but graphic lyrics about sex/female arousal. Prince should have been able to sing soft and wet, and it was ok for Tevin to sing about sex. I mean look at the meaning and subtext of the Shirelles "Will he still love me tomorrow"

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Reply #10 posted 03/27/20 12:27pm

Mikado

I'd rather an actual teenager sing it as opposed to a 36 year old man singing about "doing you after you finish your homework".

.... but maybe Prince's lover was going back to college as an adult. lol


[Edited 3/27/20 12:28pm]

A certain kind of mellow.
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Reply #11 posted 03/27/20 2:54pm

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kingricefan said:

Tevin lost playing checkers with Prince and therefore had to record the 'rap' part in Round And Round, does that count? biggrin

I think Tevin was playing checkers but Prince was clearly playing chess.

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Reply #12 posted 03/27/20 4:38pm

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Yet again a Prince fan fails at correctly spelling someone's piss-easy name. It's Campbell. Congrats on managing to include two spelling errors in one word!

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Reply #13 posted 03/27/20 6:17pm

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robertgeorge said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

The original lyrics written for Tevin. Tevin's version was years before Prince's version.

[Edited 3/27/20 6:37am]

Yes that is right. The first version released was the version was the version Prince released for Tevin in 1992 not the gold experience version. It seems likely the homework line was a simile used to match the singer Tevin. The original Prince version I believe is unheard. We only have the Shhh version that was released MUCH later. It is interesting that Prince kept the homework line in his version, I suppose that he felt it worked as an image.

well how old was mayte in '92? PrinceVault says around June of '92 hmmm

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Reply #14 posted 03/27/20 8:13pm

williamb610

I love Prince music to death BUT...Tevin's version stomps all over Prince's version. Tevin sings it better, more vocal acrobatics, the bass guitar sounds better or maybe louder, plus the woman on it adds to it, Tevin sounds cooler doing the chorus...it's just a way better version than Prince's version.

Prince's version doesn't have the same atmospherics and I don't care about Prince's guitar on his version at all.

So...

As far as it being creepy, that's up to your individual opinion.

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Reply #15 posted 03/27/20 8:27pm

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I think Prince did a lot of inappropriate things in his career and I loved most of them. razz

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Reply #16 posted 03/27/20 11:13pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

Yet again a Prince fan fails at correctly spelling someone's piss-easy name. It's Campbell. Congrats on managing to include two spelling errors in one word!

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(ocharme, hoe heten ze dat, een open deur intrappen?)

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I never understood the law/concept of a 'minor' being able to have sex when 18yo.

As if younger kids are not experimenting with it from a younger age on.

I do understand a law is needed. But to state here that Tevin Campbell

was too young to 'sing' about a romantic sexual driven sex song like ''Shhh''?

Must be some prudish religion driven rule that I as a European can't possibly understand.

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Imagine if Prince actually had kids...

"Yes Bambi, daddy recorded and sang about all that when he was that young...

Sex with my sister? Nono, that was just a hot made up fantasy..."

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Reply #17 posted 03/28/20 4:50pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:



inovio said:


and the other person who replied saying that the lyrics were tailored to Tevin,it was not, those are the original lyrics.

The original lyrics written for Tevin. Tevin's version was years before Prince's version.

[Edited 3/27/20 6:37am]


it's irrelevant who Prince wrote the lyrics for the fact of the matter is he wrote the lyrics, so obviously that was from his perspective. As a writer I can write a song about being my age or I can write a song about when I was 14 or 15 or 16 or whatever. Prince was always clever with his lyrics, do you after school like some homework is no different than when he said in Breakfast Can Wait, I'd rather have a glass of you.
Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #18 posted 03/28/20 4:54pm

inovio

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kingricefan said:



TrivialPursuit said:




thebanishedone said:


Do you think that it was not appropriate from Prince to give a kid to sing a song about sex?Shhh is a very sexy rnb song and Tevin was like minor when he was singing it


How is it any different than Prince himself singing about the things he did at the age he did when he started? Is it just as wrong for kids to sing along to sexual songs? Are we into an area of censorship here? No one made Tevin record anything. Tevin said no to plenty of songs for an album, as much as he said yes.

That said, in general I don't enjoy his version. The production is ...meh.



Tevin lost playing checkers with Prince and therefore had to record the 'rap' part in Round And Round, does that count? biggrin



I felt the Tevin version was homogenized and lacked soul and passion. The Prince version is erotic.
Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #19 posted 03/28/20 4:54pm

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9to5People said:

Personally I found it creepy when Prince sung it. It's one of very few songs I generally skip. The song is from the point of view of a young adult (do you after school like some homework), the idea of an older guy singing it is a little too statutory rape for my liking. I loved Tevins version tho.

Unlike many other artist Prince was never creepy to me nor any of his lyrics.
Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #20 posted 03/28/20 4:56pm

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inovio said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

The original lyrics written for Tevin. Tevin's version was years before Prince's version.

[Edited 3/27/20 6:37am]

it's irrelevant who Prince wrote the lyrics for the fact of the matter is he wrote the lyrics, so obviously that was from his perspective.

So all those Vanity 6 tracks, "Nasty Girl", "Make-Up", "He's So Dull" you're with contemporary critics that these were examples of his latent/blatant gender-fluidity/bi-sexuality/homosexual leanings?? Orrrrr was this just him writing from another person's perspective, like, you know, writers do?

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Reply #21 posted 03/28/20 5:05pm

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williamb610 said:

I love Prince music to death BUT...Tevin's version stomps all over Prince's version. Tevin sings it better, more vocal acrobatics, the bass guitar sounds better or maybe louder, plus the woman on it adds to it, Tevin sounds cooler doing the chorus...it's just a way better version than Prince's version.



Prince's version doesn't have the same atmospherics and I don't care about Prince's guitar on his version at all.



Are you even a prince fan because it sounds like you don't appreciate art. P version is art, Tevin version is just a demo in comparison. at that age Tevin did not have life experience enough to pull that song off.

So...



As far as it being creepy, that's up to your individual opinion.

Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #22 posted 03/28/20 5:07pm

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Mikado said:

I'd rather an actual teenager sing it as opposed to a 36 year old man singing about "doing you after you finish your homework".



.... but maybe Prince's lover was going back to college as an adult. lol


[Edited 3/27/20 12:28pm]

out of context, do you after school like some homework was a phrase heavily used in pop culture. That means it's a popular phrase.
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Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #23 posted 03/28/20 5:10pm

inovio

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robertgeorge said:



RJOrion said:


nothing "creepy" about Tevin doing that joint...its just a song ...and plenty of 17 year olds do fuck after school...its nature, not creepiness


Correct. And as someone also said Prince at a similar age was writing graphic songs. For example his first single was soft and wet with clever but graphic lyrics about sex/female arousal. Prince should have been able to sing soft and wet, and it was ok for Tevin to sing about sex. I mean look at the meaning and subtext of the Shirelles "Will he still love me tomorrow"

[Edited 3/27/20 12:41pm]


I agree but most of the people replying are not musicians nor do they have any creativity to understand how music is created,songwriting and all the intricacies of the human experience.
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Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #24 posted 03/28/20 5:18pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:



inovio said:


WhisperingDandelions said:


The original lyrics written for Tevin. Tevin's version was years before Prince's version.


[Edited 3/27/20 6:37am]



it's irrelevant who Prince wrote the lyrics for the fact of the matter is he wrote the lyrics, so obviously that was from his perspective.

So all those Vanity 6 tracks, "Nasty Girl", "Make-Up", "He's So Dull" you're with contemporary critics that these were examples of his latent/blatant gender-fluidity/bi-sexuality/homosexual leanings?? Orrrrr was this just him writing from another person's perspective, like, you know, writers do?

[Edited 3/28/20 16:58pm]

being disrespectful doesn't improve your point. Be intelligent. I'm going to make this simple. there's something called writing from the perspective of a male or a female , a man can write in the perspective of a woman or a woman can write in the perspective of a male. That has nothing to do with who sings the song,because It's a perspective. certain songs that Whitney Houston covered were originally written for and recorded by men.
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Eye wanna make Love to U, 2 times maybe 3,
If u want to go 4 or 5, Baby that's alright with me,
eye will be your little baby,
eye can be your big strong man....
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Reply #25 posted 03/28/20 6:01pm

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inovio said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

So all those Vanity 6 tracks, "Nasty Girl", "Make-Up", "He's So Dull" you're with contemporary critics that these were examples of his latent/blatant gender-fluidity/bi-sexuality/homosexual leanings?? Orrrrr was this just him writing from another person's perspective, like, you know, writers do?

[Edited 3/28/20 16:58pm]

being disrespectful doesn't improve your point. Be intelligent. I'm going to make this simple. there's something called writing from the perspective of a male or a female , a man can write in the perspective of a woman or a woman can write in the perspective of a male. That has nothing to do with who sings the song,because It's a perspective. certain songs that Whitney Houston covered were originally written for and recorded by men. [Edited 3/28/20 17:19pm] [Edited 3/28/20 17:21pm] [Edited 3/28/20 17:22pm] [Edited 3/28/20 17:23pm]

Okay.

So you agree a man can write in the perspective of a woman.


So why cannot an adult write in the perspective of a teenager, which was my initial point that you outright refuted (using a condescending, "disrespectful" word like "obviously" to belittle my perspective and emphasize your counterpoint, just for the record of who shot first there, Han)?

Now "I'm going to make this simple" for you. You just agreed with my perspective/take. "Be intelligent" and realize we share the same belief: a writer can write from any perspective he chooses, man/woman, adult/teenager, as Prince did with his female proteges like Vanity or Sheila E.... and as he did with Tevin Campbell, the person he wrote "Shhh" for in mind.

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Reply #26 posted 03/29/20 8:54am

macaylasdad

who really gives a shit? It's a song. Either you like it...keep playing it and if you dont, don't listen to it.

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Reply #27 posted 03/29/20 2:39pm

thebanishedone

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Yet again a Prince fan fails at correctly spelling someone's piss-easy name. It's Campbell. Congrats on managing to include two spelling errors in one word!


Listen man i am a Prince fan.i know how 2 spell Prince name.i don't give ratts ass about Tevin.Ok?how about u.u say u ain't Prince fan yet u r non stop on Prince org.Whatever issuess u have i wish u 2 resolve it and finally be respectful to your fellow Prince fans.
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Reply #28 posted 04/01/20 9:27am

9to5People

Interesting to readable the varied opinions on this song, it's clearly a song lots of people have an opinion on. I guess there are some songs that everyone agrees are undeniable pop perfection (Jughead, the Arms of Orion) and other songs people have varied opinions on.
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Reply #29 posted 04/01/20 11:23am

williamb610

inovio said:

williamb610 said:

I love Prince music to death BUT...Tevin's version stomps all over Prince's version. Tevin sings it better, more vocal acrobatics, the bass guitar sounds better or maybe louder, plus the woman on it adds to it, Tevin sounds cooler doing the chorus...it's just a way better version than Prince's version.

Prince's version doesn't have the same atmospherics and I don't care about Prince's guitar on his version at all.

Are you even a prince fan because it sounds like you don't appreciate art. P version is art, Tevin version is just a demo in comparison. at that age Tevin did not have life experience enough to pull that song off.

So...

As far as it being creepy, that's up to your individual opinion.

You can do art a million ways but not everyone is going to like your art. That's life. That's real. I don't like every song that Prince does; it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. If Tevin's version was a demo, it still STOMPS all over Prince's studio version, even though Prince produced both versions. So...

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