EDIT: Post removed. Thank you DJ Thunderfunk for the correction.

[Edited 2/22/20 6:25am]

SantanaMaitreya said:

EDIT: Sorry, I'm over thinking this. Ignore me.

[Edited 2/22/20 6:26am]

VaultCurator said:

Romeoblu said:

I have albums with sides that are about 27 mins long and they sound fine. Two examples are Lotus Flower side 2 and Beck's Odelay side 2. Therefore Crystal Ball could go on 3 lps.

Yeah, maybe I'm over thinking it. Sorry guys.

If it can be done on 3LPs I'd much prefer it that way. It'll help keep the cost down to.

RODSERLING said:

VaultCurator said:

Hi Urine, I think tracks cross fading and time constraints are going to dictate how Crystal Ball will be split across vinyl. Anyone reading this can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe that Sony Legacy are working from master tapes. There are tell tell signs that their reissues are being produced from commercial CDs. For example, on Anthology the song 'Crucial' fades out a split second earlier than on Crystal Ball to disguise the fact that 'Honest Man' is about to start in the background. As such I think sides will be split where there is distinct silence between tracks.

I have the Musicology & 3121 vinyl reissues. They were definitely NOT from the CDs. The brickwalling on the CDs and digital copies is not present on the LPs. As a result, they sound MUCH MUCH better than the discs.

djThunderfunk said:

VaultCurator said:

Hi Urine, I think tracks cross fading and time constraints are going to dictate how Crystal Ball will be split across vinyl. Anyone reading this can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe that Sony Legacy are working from master tapes. There are tell tell signs that their reissues are being produced from commercial CDs. For example, on Anthology the song 'Crucial' fades out a split second earlier than on Crystal Ball to disguise the fact that 'Honest Man' is about to start in the background. As such I think sides will be split where there is distinct silence between tracks.

I have the Musicology & 3121 vinyl reissues. They were definitely NOT from the CDs. The brickwalling on the CDs and digital copies is not present on the LPs. As a result, they sound MUCH MUCH better than the discs.

Hi DJ Thunderfunk,

Thanks for the info. This is good to know. Do you think they're working from master tapes then? If so I wonder why they couldn't source one for The Versace Experience.

Romeoblu said:

VaultCurator said:

djThunderfunk said:

I have the Musicology & 3121 vinyl reissues. They were definitely NOT from the CDs. The brickwalling on the CDs and digital copies is not present on the LPs. As a result, they sound MUCH MUCH better than the discs.

Hi DJ Thunderfunk,

Thanks for the info. This is good to know. Do you think they're working from master tapes then? If so I wonder why they couldn't source one for The Versace Experience.

I would assume they would have to be working from masters, considering the differences. I figured the issue with Versace was that all they had was the cassette, but that's just a guess. The CD sounds to these ears like that is the case anyway. Everything else I've personally heard from Legacy has been the same (CDs: Rave Ultimate) or improved (IMO) for vinyl (LPs: 3121, Musicology, C&D). It wasn't as noticeable on Chaos as the other two, but it was better.

Really shouldn't be spread over 12 vinyl sides, that'd be ridiculous. Wouldn't buy that.

Already searching for transparant casing:
http://ibmcollectable.com.../3330_pack

RODSERLING said:

The 6 LP Emancipation was just a cash grabbing, since it could have hold on a 4LP edition.

Hmm, everything to you is a 'cashgrab' or a 'thievery', so it's hard to take this seriously.

Emancipation on 6LPs wasn't a cahgrab at all. It was the ONLY way to present that album on vinyl.

Emancipation had a thematic shape, each disc had its own feel, its own style and theme.

Crystal Ball, love it or loathe it was just a thrown-together comp, tracks randonly smushed together, one after another on a disc. They didn't form cohesive, satisfying albums.

So while I would like to see the tracklisting maintained for historical purposes, it doesn't have to be split up distinctly like Emancipation was.

If some tracks from 'CD 1' spilled over onto another piece of vinyl, which they then shared with tracks from 'CD2' then it would be no big deal.

I can imagine them sticking to the original tracklisting, with perhaps the odd switcheroo to make things fit better on the sides timing-wise.

This was always a common practise actually. Vinyl versions of albums quite often differed from thier CD counterparts in terms of track order, in order to make them fit the media.

I don't doubt that Crystal Ball WILL get a release, most likely this year.

And, as DJ Thunderfunk noted, these vinyl pressings from Sony are definitely NOT just vinyl copies of CD masters. They sound INFINTELY better in almost every case, to the point where the CDs are basically obselete (at least to me).

That brickwalled bullshit sounds absurd once you actually hear these albums as they SHOULD sound, MINUS the brickwalling.

Can we just have a sticky that notes this - the Sony vinyl reissues are the DEFINITIVE VERSIONS OF THESE ALBUMS IN TERMS OF SOUND QUALITY.

Rimshottbob said:

the Sony vinyl reissues are the DEFINITIVE VERSIONS OF THESE ALBUMS IN TERMS OF SOUND QUALITY.

I don't if they're better for the one's that already had vinyl like Rave or Rainbow, but for those that never had a vinyl release, this seems to be the case.

A release of this would be my number one Prince vinyl 'want' for this year, for sure. This is assuming there's nothing terribly special announced for RSD, no solution comes for the TGE legal impasse and Warner doesn't do anything with Come for the final year it has the rights - and those things are all looking relatively unlikely...

As for the sequencing and number of records it's spread across, I'm not terribly bothered. Six discs and the same RRP as Emancipation would be fine by me.

[Edited 2/23/20 3:46am]

djThunderfunk said:

Rimshottbob said:

the Sony vinyl reissues are the DEFINITIVE VERSIONS OF THESE ALBUMS IN TERMS OF SOUND QUALITY.

I don't if they're better for the one's that already had vinyl like Rave or Rainbow, but for those that never had a vinyl release, this seems to be the case.

Well, the new Rave vinyl definitely sounds better than the original Rave vinyl (also it includes Prettyman, of course, which the original vinyl didn't).

Can't speak to the new Rainbow Children vinyl, of course, as have not heard it yet, but my original vinyl copy of Rainbow Children sounds fine, but not spectacular. I would expect, given the track record over the last year or so, that the new one should sound better. Time will tell, but I'm optimistic.

Don't give a rat's ass about a slipmat, and wish it was on black vinyl, instead of clear, but ah well, we takes what we can gets.

Rimshottbob said:

djThunderfunk said:

I don't if they're better for the one's that already had vinyl like Rave or Rainbow, but for those that never had a vinyl release, this seems to be the case.

Well, the new Rave vinyl definitely sounds better than the original Rave vinyl (also it includes Prettyman, of course, which the original vinyl didn't).

Can't speak to the new Rainbow Children vinyl, of course, as have not heard it yet, but my original vinyl copy of Rainbow Children sounds fine, but not spectacular. I would expect, given the track record over the last year or so, that the new one should sound better. Time will tell, but I'm optimistic.

Don't give a rat's ass about a slipmat, and wish it was on black vinyl, instead of clear, but ah well, we takes what we can gets.

I won't be in a hurry to get another Rainbow vinyl, so please report pack with a comparison of the original and the new. You might talk me into it.

I can't listen to Crystal Ball from start to finish with its original sequencing. It's a mess jumping from decade to decade.. Days of Wild into Last Heart!!!!! Really????

.

Ive resequenced it chronologically and it flows much better.
.

Just to add, if Crystal Ball had to be trimmed I could line without Get Loose, which adds absolutely nothing to the original song and P. Control (Remix) - terrible!

Harps said:

I can't listen to Crystal Ball from start to finish with its original sequencing. It's a mess jumping from decade to decade.. Days of Wild into Last Heart!!!!! Really????

.

Ive resequenced it chronologically and it flows much better.
.

Just to add, if Crystal Ball had to be trimmed I could line without Get Loose, which adds absolutely nothing to the original song and P. Control (Remix) - terrible!

Would love to see your chronological tracklist.