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Thread started 02/25/20 3:37am

coldcoffeeandc
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Judas smile - who is it about

Who was Judas smile written about?

Was just thinking about my favourite prince songs and this really bugged me.

Who is the Judas? All these years I never thought to consider.

Such a great track, I have fond memories of sitting up after midnight after purchasing it on The old npgmc and manually converting it into a format I could use on my MP3 player 😊 how the world has changed.

The solo will always be on of my favourites so powerful and angry
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Reply #1 posted 02/25/20 7:09am

Holmes

Whoever it was about, it must have hurt to have heard those lyrics written about them.

[Edited 2/25/20 10:08am]

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Reply #2 posted 02/25/20 1:32pm

Strive

Verse 1 and 2 sound like they're about Mayte.

She was nothing before Prince, she will be nothing after Prince, he made up the world she believed in then tried to switch it up (if you believe Mayte, he was pushing her to be more nasty when he was flirting with JW and she didn't want to go that way), he changed her name to Arabia (?), he changed his name to the Symbol, she took his money with a judas smile, he'll keep being Prince, she'll keep being nothing nobody wants to associate with.

She also had blonde streaks when she was with Tommy Lee.


It also fits with the whole banished thing from The Rainbow Child.

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Reply #3 posted 02/25/20 2:06pm

LoveGalore

Strive said:

Verse 1 and 2 sound like they're about Mayte.



She was nothing before Prince, she will be nothing after Prince, he made up the world she believed in then tried to switch it up (if you believe Mayte, he was pushing her to be more nasty when he was flirting with JW and she didn't want to go that way), he changed her name to Arabia (?), he changed his name to the Symbol, she took his money with a judas smile, he'll keep being Prince, she'll keep being nothing nobody wants to associate with.



She also had blonde streaks when she was with Tommy Lee.


It also fits with the whole banished thing from The Rainbow Child.



The only "dumb blonde" who wasn't funky, "stole" from him, was a "Judas", and had their name changed was Carmen.
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Reply #4 posted 02/25/20 3:19pm

jfenster

who cares..but who is the jubilant judas?

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Reply #5 posted 02/25/20 6:09pm

lavendardrumma
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Can it even be all about one person?

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Reply #6 posted 02/25/20 7:25pm

TheTruth123

Looking at the lyrics, it could even be about a male musician. Not everything was about romance to Prince.
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Reply #7 posted 02/25/20 8:04pm

TrcikyChristop
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LoveGalore said:

Strive said:

Verse 1 and 2 sound like they're about Mayte.

She was nothing before Prince, she will be nothing after Prince, he made up the world she believed in then tried to switch it up (if you believe Mayte, he was pushing her to be more nasty when he was flirting with JW and she didn't want to go that way), he changed her name to Arabia (?), he changed his name to the Symbol, she took his money with a judas smile, he'll keep being Prince, she'll keep being nothing nobody wants to associate with.

She also had blonde streaks when she was with Tommy Lee.


It also fits with the whole banished thing from The Rainbow Child.

The only "dumb blonde" who wasn't funky, "stole" from him, was a "Judas", and had their name changed was Carmen.

Indeed.

"I changed your name, it didn't suit you. I did the same for a little while. I gave you love, a little revenue. In return a Judas Smile you gave me".

Same theme as the Eye Hate U remix.

The main verses in "Judas Smile" before the changeup are direct references to her - in response to the infamous scene in "Scary Movie" and her subsequent playing down of their relationship.

[Edited 2/25/20 20:04pm]

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Reply #8 posted 02/25/20 9:42pm

Phase3

Is that really Prince in "Scary Movie"? If it ain't it sure looks like him
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Reply #9 posted 02/26/20 7:16am

Holmes

The song does seem to be aimed mainly at a male musician.

’Sang any song Mr. Charlie wanna sing, see around here we don’t know ya’

’Step right up to the minstrel show’

‘No matter your color U’re still my brother’

‘Put me down, with a song that got no hook’

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Reply #10 posted 02/26/20 9:17am

Strive

LoveGalore said:

The only "dumb blonde" who wasn't funky, "stole" from him, was a "Judas", and had their name changed was Carmen.

That's true too. Good point.

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