Come - Prince was involved with its release. Prince told the label to issue it by itself rather than with TGE (old version), but wasn't involved with the promotion at first. Despite this, one promo for 1-800-New-Funk simulatesouly promotes the release of Come and he worked on the Space maxi-single.

3 Chains O' Gold - Prince NOT involved with release. Unreleased Love Symbol companion video likely produced in 1992 (music videos) and 1993 (wraparound segments and the like) released alongsides Come.

The Undertaker: Prince involved with release and the making. Despite being "The Artist" content, it was released under the name of Prince.

The Scarifice of Victor: 1994 TV special released by Warner to make a quick buck.

The Gold Experience: Release infamously delayed by Prince for 11 months due to the "Do U Want 2 See It Libreated From Warner Bros. Records?" ad by him. Prince did support promotion for the final release however.

Chaos and Disorder: Prince put this together to finish his contract, along with Old Friends 4 Sale. 'Nuff said

AaronReturn2005 said:

Come - Prince was involved with its release. Prince told the label to issue it by itself rather than with TGE (old version), but wasn't involved with the promotion at first. Despite this, one promo for 1-800-New-Funk simulatesouly promotes the release of Come and he worked on the Space maxi-single.

3 Chains O' Gold - Prince NOT involved with release. Unreleased Love Symbol companion video likely produced in 1992 (music videos) and 1993 (wraparound segments and the like) released alongsides Come.

The Undertaker: Prince involved with release and the making. Despite being "The Artist" content, it was released under the name of Prince.

The Scarifice of Victor: 1994 TV special released by Warner to make a quick buck.

The Gold Experience: Release infamously delayed by Prince for 11 months due to the "Do U Want 2 See It Libreated From Warner Bros. Records?" ad by him. Prince did support promotion for the final release however.

Chaos and Disorder: Prince put this together to finish his contract, along with Old Friends 4 Sale. 'Nuff said

The Sacrifice of Victor was not a tv special.

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This "contractual obligatons" nonsense is nonsense.

ludwig said:

AaronReturn2005 said:

Come - Prince was involved with its release. Prince told the label to issue it by itself rather than with TGE (old version), but wasn't involved with the promotion at first. Despite this, one promo for 1-800-New-Funk simulatesouly promotes the release of Come and he worked on the Space maxi-single.

3 Chains O' Gold - Prince NOT involved with release. Unreleased Love Symbol companion video likely produced in 1992 (music videos) and 1993 (wraparound segments and the like) released alongsides Come.

The Undertaker: Prince involved with release and the making. Despite being "The Artist" content, it was released under the name of Prince.

The Scarifice of Victor: 1994 TV special released by Warner to make a quick buck.

The Gold Experience: Release infamously delayed by Prince for 11 months due to the "Do U Want 2 See It Libreated From Warner Bros. Records?" ad by him. Prince did support promotion for the final release however.

Chaos and Disorder: Prince put this together to finish his contract, along with Old Friends 4 Sale. 'Nuff said

The Sacrifice of Victor was not a tv special.

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Yes it was:

"The show itself saw 20 songs filmed, of which 9 were televised on 22 January 1994 and released by Warner Brothers on the VHS Prince Live! The Sacrifice Of Victor, on 6 March 1995" - https://goldiesparade.co....of-victor/

AaronReturn2005 said:

ludwig said:

The Sacrifice of Victor was not a tv special.

[Edited 2/5/20 21:47pm]

Yes it was:

"The show itself saw 20 songs filmed, of which 9 were televised on 22 January 1994 and released by Warner Brothers on the VHS Prince Live! The Sacrifice Of Victor, on 6 March 1995" - https://goldiesparade.co....of-victor/

Correct, I recorded it off MTV before the VHS was officially released. I bought the VHS anyway hoping there would be some additional footage but there was not

dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said:

The Ryde Dyvine on ABC.

RODSERLING said:

The real mistery is about the Black Album. WB doesn't own it, Sony doesn't own it.

so doesnt that mean ONLY the estate can realistically rerelease it??

jfenster said:

RODSERLING said:

jfenster said:

so doesnt that mean ONLY the estate can realistically rerelease it??

No, because it would have been released by now. I think it s a juridic void. And I m sure Come is not really printed by WB. When Prince died, record stores were full of Prince s albums with official stand. There was EVERY WB album, dozens of them, from for You to The Hits + the vault but not one copy of Come. And the picture of Come wasn't even on the official stand. . So how explain that? 1994 is a strange year for Prince rights. Come, Black album, TMBGITW, Beautiful Experience, I m sure it s technically impossible to release them.

TMBGITW is a special case because of that damn lawsuit, but why couldn't the Estate rerelease Come or TBA? Clearly the Estate own these masters, so if they're not under an exclusivity deal with WB anymore, it's up to them to rerelease them as they see fit.

TBA, I fear, they might choose not to remaster/rerelease for "moral" reasons or something in that vein ("Prince wouldn't have wanted it to be rereleased because he thought it was evil bla bla bla", or "some lyrics might be too offensive to the #metoo mob", etc.), but that's pure speculation on my part and I hope to be proven wrong.

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

TMBGITW is a special case because of that damn lawsuit, but why couldn't the Estate rerelease Come or TBA? Clearly the Estate own these masters, so if they're not under an exclusivity deal with WB anymore, it's up to them to rerelease them as they see fit.

TBA, I fear, they might choose not to remaster/rerelease for "moral" reasons or something in that vein ("Prince wouldn't have wanted it to be rereleased because he thought it was evil bla bla bla", or "some lyrics might be too offensive to the #metoo mob", etc.), but that's pure speculation on my part and I hope to be proven wrong.

There was a lawsuit for more than a decade for MJ's You are Not Alone. It never prevented it to sell History, and numerous greatest hits where the song is in it. There were also lawsuits for Wanna Be Starting Something. Did they stop selling Thriller? No. . This the first time a lawsuit prevent from releasing an album. Why ?

The only reason I can think of is that it's because presumably the state of MJ were willing to take the hit for You Are Not Alone for sales in Belgium but neither Prince not his estate are willing to do so in Italy? Seems crazy but I can't think of anything else.

jaawwnn said:

RODSERLING said:

jaawwnn said:

The only reason I can think of is that it's because presumably the state of MJ were willing to take the hit for You Are Not Alone for sales in Belgium but neither Prince not his estate are willing to do so in Italy? Seems crazy but I can't think of anything else.

Or maybe there is a legal trick. Maybe the rights are shared between WB and the estate, and another party involved. . And it s surely the same thing that prevent them from re releasing the black album, Come...

I fail to see which other party, though.

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The various labels involved with TMBGITW obviously only had non-exclusive distribution rights for the single, and TGE, Come and TBA were WB business only at the time, so it's either with them or the Estate, and if it's with them it's only until next year it appears (and TGE, except for TMBGITW, is already with Sony).

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Come on iTunes says:

• ℗ 1994 NPG Records, Inc. under exclusive license to Warner Records Inc."

So it appears it's solely with WB and they're the one who put it on streaming services, they just probably have no interest in a physical reissue and we'll probably get it from Sony eventually.

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TBA I believe was a one-off deal, for a limited release only, which might mean they're just not be allowed to rerelease it in any form without a whole new deal with P (now the Estate).

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Now then again these are my best guesses, I have no more solid info to offer :/

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

I fail to see which other party, though.

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The various labels involved with TMBGITW obviously only had non-exclusive distribution rights for the single, and TGE, Come and TBA were WB business only at the time, so it's either with them or the Estate, and if it's with them it's only until next year it appears (and TGE, except for TMBGITW, is already with Sony).

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Come on iTunes says:

• ℗ 1994 NPG Records, Inc. under exclusive license to Warner Records Inc."

So it appears it's solely with WB and they're the one who put it on streaming services, they just probably have no interest in a physical reissue and we'll probably get it from Sony eventually.

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TBA I believe was a one-off deal, for a limited release only, which might mean they're just not be allowed to rerelease it in any form without a whole new deal with P (now the Estate).

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Now then again these are my best guesses, I have no more solid info to offer :/

If WB had the rights to COME, why did they never use any tracks of it for the greatest hits? Especially for 4EVEr, when WB was trying very hard to put tracks that wasn't already on The Hits, Ultimate and TVBO. . They tried so hard that their commercial argument was an edit version of Glam Slam. So, if they really could put Let it Go, or the remix of Space, they would have done it. Same thing for tracks of Plectrum Electrum and AOA. This is really strange.

They DO have the rights to Come, the indicia says it on iTunes, and I just checked and it says the exact same thing on Tidal and Amazon:

• ℗ 1994 NPG Records, Inc. under exclusive license to Warner Records Inc.

The odds that this indicia is wrong are extremely low, it's the same as on every NPG owned/WB licenced Prince record, as opposed to those albums that are licenced to Legacy or HnR1+2 that is solely NPG Records.

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Besides, if we're to believe the press release that says that "starting in 2021, Sony/Legacy's distribution rights will be expanded to include 12 Prince non-soundtrack catalog albums, featuring iconic music recorded by the artist from the 1978-1996 era for distribution in the United States. Music from this period covered under the agreement includes the highly renowned albums Prince (1979), Dirty Mind (1980), Controversy (1981), 1999 (1982), Around The World In A Day (1985), Sign 'O' The Times (1987), Lovesexy (1988), Diamonds and Pearls (1991) and [Love Symbol] (1992)", then it's even clearer: the article lists 9 albums. The missing entries, all 3 of them identified as licenced to WB on streaming platforms, would be For You, Come and The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale (the latter was released in 1999 but delivered by Prince to WB in 1996, while AOA and Plec are not from the 78-96 era, so the press release doesn't appear to include them, and God knows why BTW, maybe WB had a longer exclusivity deal for these 2, I honestly have no clue).

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The best explanation as to why WB didn't bother to include any material from Come, The Vault... OF4S, AOA or Plec on 4ever appears to be because they wanted to focus on Prince's "classic/commercial" era, which is generally accepted to have ended with (or right after) the release of The Hits/The B-Sides in 1993.

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This is, at least and in Vulcan terms, what "logic dictates". And it doesn't answer all questions, far from it, but Occam's razor suggests that we stick to the hypothesis that calls for the fewest extraordinary or uncertain elements.

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

TMBGITW is a special case because of that damn lawsuit, but why couldn't the Estate rerelease Come or TBA? Clearly the Estate own these masters, so if they're not under an exclusivity deal with WB anymore, it's up to them to rerelease them as they see fit.

TBA, I fear, they might choose not to remaster/rerelease for "moral" reasons or something in that vein ("Prince wouldn't have wanted it to be rereleased because he thought it was evil bla bla bla", or "some lyrics might be too offensive to the #metoo mob", etc.), but that's pure speculation on my part and I hope to be proven wrong.

There was a lawsuit for more than a decade for MJ's You are Not Alone. It never prevented it to sell History, and numerous greatest hits where the song is in it. There were also lawsuits for Wanna Be Starting Something. Did they stop selling Thriller? No. . This the first time a lawsuit prevent from releasing an album. Why ?

Condiences do not cause lawsuits, even if they come from song-writers.

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RODSERLING said:

databank said:

They DO have the rights to Come, the indicia says it on iTunes, and I just checked and it says the exact same thing on Tidal and Amazon:

• ℗ 1994 NPG Records, Inc. under exclusive license to Warner Records Inc.

The odds that this indicia is wrong are extremely low, it's the same as on every NPG owned/WB licenced Prince record, as opposed to those albums that are licenced to Legacy or HnR1+2 that is solely NPG Records.

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Besides, if we're to believe the press release that says that "starting in 2021, Sony/Legacy's distribution rights will be expanded to include 12 Prince non-soundtrack catalog albums, featuring iconic music recorded by the artist from the 1978-1996 era for distribution in the United States. Music from this period covered under the agreement includes the highly renowned albums Prince (1979), Dirty Mind (1980), Controversy (1981), 1999 (1982), Around The World In A Day (1985), Sign 'O' The Times (1987), Lovesexy (1988), Diamonds and Pearls (1991) and [Love Symbol] (1992)", then it's even clearer: the article lists 9 albums. The missing entries, all 3 of them identified as licenced to WB on streaming platforms, would be For You, Come and The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale (the latter was released in 1999 but delivered by Prince to WB in 1996, while AOA and Plec are not from the 78-96 era, so the press release doesn't appear to include them, and God knows why BTW, maybe WB had a longer exclusivity deal for these 2, I honestly have no clue).

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The best explanation as to why WB didn't bother to include any material from Come, The Vault... OF4S, AOA or Plec on 4ever appears to be because they wanted to focus on Prince's "classic/commercial" era, which is generally accepted to have ended with (or right after) the release of The Hits/The B-Sides in 1993.

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This is, at least and in Vulcan terms, what "logic dictates". And it doesn't answer all questions, far from it, but Occam's razor suggests that we stick to the hypothesis that calls for the fewest extraordinary or uncertain elements.

Thé stickers on 4EVER states something like" a greatest hits spanning his whole career" and TMBGITW was announced. . So why skipping COME? . It was a better hit than many tracks that went down on 4EVER : WYWTMSB, Uptown, When You Were Mine, Head, Gotta Stop, Let s Work, IIWYG, Peach... . Another tricky things with greatest hits packages : 1) They succeed on putting Batdance (edited!) On 4EVER. But they didn't succeed with Party Man ( edit with Jack Nicholson intro skipped)? . Party Man was on the Peach maxisingle, so that means they could use it. . 2) It seems they can't release 12' versions or B-sides that weren't already on previous GH packages

I unfortunately have no definitive answer to any of your questions, but the simplest explanation that I can think of is "they didn't want to".

What is a "better" hit? Come wasn't even released as a commercial single and Prince certainly wasn't playing it in latter years. Space or LetitGo probably should have been on there over Gotta Stop but hey, 4ever was a fairly rubbish release as it was.

[Edited 2/12/20 1:57am]