We never keep up, don't we?

I'm really satisfied with what we got already (mostly PR & 1999 Deluxe, of course Originals too, the books, official videos, pictures from Jeff Katz...). One lifetime ain't enough to absorb all that we have (bootlegs included).

udo said:

LoveGalore said:

udo said:

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I am here to support the markets.

If that isn't a stake then what is?

Secret stuff won't help the companies.

Irrelevant.

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Because?

A small bit of openness could help understand and help sales of these next Deluxe releases.

Why would they listen to us if they do not even provide us info to read?

udo said:

LoveGalore said:

udo said: Irrelevant.

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Because?

A small bit of openness could help understand and help sales of these next Deluxe releases.

Why would they listen to us if they do not even provide us info to read?

What do you mean help sales? This isn't release-by-committee. That's the same trap these elite traders fall into - expecting that the estate is really checking for fan opinions like that. They aren't. Nor should they even be, beyond some small considerations here and there.

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You must really underestimate the amount of fans that are out there. And you must underestimate how strongly they all state their individual opinions.

LoveGalore said:

udo said:

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Because?

A small bit of openness could help understand and help sales of these next Deluxe releases.

Why would they listen to us if they do not even provide us info to read?

What do you mean help sales? This isn't release-by-committee. That's the same trap these elite traders fall into - expecting that the estate is really checking for fan opinions like that. They aren't. Nor should they even be, beyond some small considerations here and there.

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You must really underestimate the amount of fans that are out there. And you must underestimate how strongly they all state their individual opinions.

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Back in the old days we knew what we could get:

One album per year, WB would rather want one in two years.

Now we know nothing.

The committee thing is besides the issue as I was looking for one way communication from them to us.

udo said:

LoveGalore said:

udo said:

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Back in the old days we knew what we could get:

One album per year, WB would rather want one in two years.

Now we know nothing.

The committee thing is besides the issue as I was looking for one way communication from them to us.

Nah, see, you didn't know you could get an album a year but you expected that. And it wasn't cuz prince released a plan for you to schedule your expectations around. Why? Because that's not how these relationships work. They put stuff out, you buy (or don't).

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We knew Prince had more records for us than one per year.

Especially since 1994 / 1995.

DirtyCache said:

I am ready but no rush. I am still jamming off 1999 and PR deluxes.

udo said:

LoveGalore said:

Example: we know that the WB contract ends this year, so the strong likelihood is that we will see Originals 2 (they've expressed the intent to make this a series and have earmarked 250 songs) and at least one expanded set (we know Parade is in the can). What we don't know is if WB has to enter into complicated contracts to access the unreleased material around the soundtracks that they retain the rights to when 2021 passes.

Hi LoveGalore,

So who will have the rights to publish vault material in 2021? As far as I'm aware Sony Legacy only has the rights to publish re-issues (hence why they are not publishing any vault material now). Will the rights to vault material need renegotiating next year? Also, any idea where we stand on remasters since Legacy don't seen to do this either.

LoveGalore said:

udo said:

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We knew Prince had more records for us than one per year.

Especially since 1994 / 1995.

Example: we know that the WB contract ends this year, so the strong likelihood is that we will see Originals 2>>>>>??????? maybe (they've expressed the intent to make this a series and have earmarked 250 songs) and at least one expanded set but (we know Parade is in the can) maybe a Tshirt Deluxe instead !

2020 will B a good year ...i can't doubt it 4 us fans !!!!!

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VaultCurator said:

LoveGalore said:

Example: we know that the WB contract ends this year, so the strong likelihood is that we will see Originals 2 (they've expressed the intent to make this a series and have earmarked 250 songs) and at least one expanded set (we know Parade is in the can). What we don't know is if WB has to enter into complicated contracts to access the unreleased material around the soundtracks that they retain the rights to when 2021 passes.

Hi LoveGalore,

So who will have the rights to publish vault material in 2021? As far as I'm aware Sony Legacy only has the rights to publish re-issues (hence why they are not publishing any vault material now). Will the rights to vault material need renegotiating next year? Also, any idea where we stand on remasters since Legacy don't seen to do this either.

Sony will have vault rights from 2021. They don't have them currently which is why they have been focusing on bare bones re-releases of the albums they have the rights to.

embmmusic said:

Sony will have vault rights from 2021. They don't have them currently which is why they have been focusing on bare bones re-releases of the albums they have the rights to.

Hi Embmmusic,

May I ask, do you have a source for this info so I can read more about the deal?

I've seen the joint statment made by the Prince Estate & Legacy back in 2018, but that contained no mention of previously unreleased material. Only re-issues of the WB albums.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/sony-music-entertainmentlegacy-recordings-sign-exclusive-distribution-deal-with-prince-estate-covering-35-essential-catalog-titles-from-1978-2015-300672798.html

"Starting in 2021, Sony/Legacy's distribution rights will be expanded to include 12 Prince non-soundtrack catalog albums, featuring iconic music recorded by the artist from the 1978-1996 era for distribution in the United States. Music from this period covered under the agreement includes the highly renowned albums Prince (1979), Dirty Mind (1980), Controversy (1981), 1999 (1982), Around The World In A Day (1985), Sign 'O' The Times (1987), Lovesexy (1988), Diamonds and Pearls (1991) and [Love Symbol] (1992) as well as hit singles "1999," "Little Red Corvette," "I Wanna Be Your Lover," "Raspberry Beret" and much more."

If you do have more info I'd be keen to read up on it. TIA

I might have mis-read that part then

VaultCurator said:

embmmusic said:

Sony will have vault rights from 2021. They don't have them currently which is why they have been focusing on bare bones re-releases of the albums they have the rights to.

Hi Embmmusic,

May I ask, do you have a source for this info so I can read more about the deal?

I've seen the joint statment made by the Prince Estate & Legacy back in 2018, but that contained no mention of previously unreleased material. Only re-issues of the WB albums.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/sony-music-entertainmentlegacy-recordings-sign-exclusive-distribution-deal-with-prince-estate-covering-35-essential-catalog-titles-from-1978-2015-300672798.html

"Starting in 2021, Sony/Legacy's distribution rights will be expanded to include 12 Prince non-soundtrack catalog albums, featuring iconic music recorded by the artist from the 1978-1996 era for distribution in the United States. Music from this period covered under the agreement includes the highly renowned albums Prince (1979), Dirty Mind (1980), Controversy (1981), 1999 (1982), Around The World In A Day (1985), Sign 'O' The Times (1987), Lovesexy (1988), Diamonds and Pearls (1991) and [Love Symbol] (1992) as well as hit singles "1999," "Little Red Corvette," "I Wanna Be Your Lover," "Raspberry Beret" and much more."

If you do have more info I'd be keen to read up on it. TIA

At this point, it would only be speculation to think of whether these contracts do or don't include unreleased music. I think common consensus is that whoever has the rights to release the already-published material also has the rights to release unpublished material. But the various contracts that were flying around at the time were not laid bare in public-facing text, IIRC.

Its is a distribution deal.
Not a publishing deal.

udo said:

Its is a distribution deal.
Not a publishing deal.

Correct. But the distribution deals have typically included only the catalog albums by name. The question is whether that deal is the same with regards to albums like 1999 SDE which has plenty previously-unpublished music on it.

LoveGalore said:

udo said:

Its is a distribution deal.
Not a publishing deal.

Correct. But the distribution deals have typically included only the catalog albums by name. The question is whether that deal is the same with regards to albums like 1999 SDE which has plenty previously-unpublished music on it.

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Because the deal is 'exclusive' would that mean 'exclusive' except certain more recent releases or even except some future releases?

Or would 'exclusive' mean 'exclusive' for the whole term except some of the soundtrack stuff? (of which category no new releases are to be expected anytime soon)

Y'know what would be aMAZING?...A boxed set of the Prince-created side acts: The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, The Family, Madhouse, Jill Jones, etc... <3

Given the Prince fanbase is "ageing" I would recomemnd the Estate release these Deluxe and Vault tracks/concerts more regulalry. The sales base right now is the best it may well ever be so I would be capitalising on that with frequent, varied releases.

love2thenines2003 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Next superdeluxe....SOTT (unreleased SOTT tour will be included not the film)....june or november....Parade is delayed to next year

As great as this sounds, I really wish they would stop bumping Parade. First it was delayed for Piano & Microphone, then Originals, now SOTT. Parade is my favourite album of all time and I'm not getting any younger!

Sydney said:

Given the Prince fanbase is "ageing" I would recomemnd the Estate release these Deluxe and Vault tracks/concerts more regulalry. The sales base right now is the best it may well ever be so I would be capitalising on that with frequent, varied releases.

exactly....

Sydney said:

Given the Prince fanbase is "ageing" I would recomemnd the Estate release these Deluxe and Vault tracks/concerts more regulalry. The sales base right now is the best it may well ever be so I would be capitalising on that with frequent, varied releases.

I agree,and I don't see why they only release one at a time.Why not reelase three a year?

will there be something to coincide with that special ???

Sign O' The Times is the one I'm more eager to see released, then Parade. I think from those two eras there are much more unrealeased material.

love2thenines2003 said: