I had only heard a few of these cuts. DAMN! This is genius. Wishing and praying "Parade Super Deluxe" is next. Absolute peak. I still think Wendy And Lisa brought out the best in him.

[Snip - luv4u]

take the link off that is a no no

that is a gift from my dad.

he says enjoy the experience.

loveletter said:

loveletter said:

that is a gift from my dad.

he says enjoy the experience.

loveletter said:

that is a gift from my dad.

he says enjoy the experience.

Settle down, Sybil. Your daddy ain't Prince. Never has been, never will be.

Dream Factory would've followed Parade, so if these tracks were bundled with any album re-issue they would be a SOTT release given that they albums share content too.

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Personally I'd prefer a separate release, but that might be expecting too much.

NouveauDance said:

Dream Factory would've followed Parade, so if these tracks were bundled with any album re-issue they would be a SOTT release given that they albums share content too.

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Personally I'd prefer a separate release, but that might be expecting too much.

Given the volume of material recorded during what led up to Sign 'O' The Times (Dream Factory, Camille, Crystal Ball) it wouldn't be a bad idea to release the Revolution era material as part of a 'Dream Factory' release, and the post break up material as part of SOTT Deluxe.

I'm not saying that Dream Factory needs it's own Super Deluxe or anything? Just a single or double CD for release in the summer and then the SOTT Super Deluxe to follow in winter. It would help take some of the burden off of SOTT Deluxe and make room for more outtakes.

Personally I'd love to see a Dream Factory release that has the original LP on CD1 and then some additional recordings from that era such as 'We Can Funk '86', 'Egg Plant' and 'Splash' on CD2.

RULES ACKNOLEDGED:
NO SOLICITING FOR BOOTLEGS! Discussion is fine, so long as the bootleg is not being promoted e.g. pre-release; requests/offers to share or copy, and links to download or bootleg sites are not.

FYI, last year I listened to a Japanese bootleg called 'A Year In The Studio, 1986 (First Season)' which was a double CD on the PGA label. The tracks included on it are quite common, however it contained the best sounding version of 'It's a Wonderful Day' and 'Teacher Teacher' I've ever heard. These were 5/5 quality. 'In A Large Room With No Lights' still wasn't perfect, but it sounded as good as any other version out there, and it also included 'Power Fantastic' with full intro.

Anyway, a few weeks ago I used it to burn a CD of the 3rd June 1986 configuration Dream Factory and it sounds great. I basically used the 2004 Pimp Sandwich 'Dream Factory', and combined it with 'A Year In The Studio' to fill in the missing tracks (It's A Wonderful Day, Teacher, Teacher, In A Large Room With No Light etc.). The only exception from memory was 'Visions' that I took from the 2019 Sabotage edition of 'Dream Factory' as I believe it sounded slightly better than it did on Pimp Sandwich.

Overall I'm really pleased with it. It's the best version IMO.

"Parade Super Deluxe" would be a nice Spring 2020 gift.

VaultCurator said:

homesquid said:

I had only heard a few of these cuts. DAMN! This is genius. Wishing and praying "Parade Super Deluxe" is next. Absolute peak. I still think Wendy And Lisa brought out the best in him.

[Snip - luv4u]

So NOW, suddenly, it's okay to listen to bootlegs?

TrivialPursuit said:

loveletter said:

that is a gift from my dad.

he says enjoy the experience.

Settle down, Sybil. Your daddy ain't Prince. Never has been, never will be.

LOL

who said anything about Prince.

look at the date and the person who uploaded it.

https://www.facebook.com/dreamfirstborn

-Sybil.

[Edited 1/4/20 12:49pm]

VaultCurator said:

Hi Loveletter, I've just clicked on your link (which I won't repost) and the album that was uploaded isn't Dream Factory. It's a fan compilation with a handful of Dream Factory songs on it. The compilation you linked to includes Parade era outtakes amongst others. Here is some info on the genuine album... http://princevault.com/in...am_Factory

Thanks VaultCurator

that list is intense. Can't wait to hear that one.

VaultCurator said:

Hi Loveletter, I've just clicked on your link (which I won't repost) and the album that was uploaded isn't Dream Factory. It's a fan compilation with a handful of Dream Factory songs on it. The compilation you linked to includes Parade era outtakes amongst others. Here is some info on the genuine album... http://princevault.com/in...am_Factory

And THAT is why I won't click on Sybil's link. These Dream Factory etc stuff is pretty basic for a hardcore Prince fan, or should be. It's easy to look things up (as you did, being the Vault Curator and all, hehe) and read up on stuff.

I don't care to listen to fanmade anything. Nothing is remastered or whatever unless it comes from the estate. These people with their Cool Edit Pro or Audacity tutorials trying to beef up a cassette to cassette to cassette to cassette copy of a song need to sit down.

TrivialPursuit said:

VaultCurator said:

Hi Loveletter, I've just clicked on your link (which I won't repost) and the album that was uploaded isn't Dream Factory. It's a fan compilation with a handful of Dream Factory songs on it. The compilation you linked to includes Parade era outtakes amongst others. Here is some info on the genuine album... http://princevault.com/in...am_Factory

And THAT is why I won't click on Sybil's link. These Dream Factory etc stuff is pretty basic for a hardcore Prince fan, or should be. It's easy to look things up (as you did, being the Vault Curator and all, hehe) and read up on stuff.

I don't care to listen to fanmade anything. Nothing is remastered or whatever unless it comes from the estate. These people with their Cool Edit Pro or Audacity tutorials trying to beef up a cassette to cassette to cassette to cassette copy of a song need to sit down.

You know how those music playing apps all have an "Equalizer" menu? Just each genre having its own preset levels?

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That's how I look at bootleg "remasters".... lol. Oh cool. You changed the equalizer presets so now instead of hearing the muddy swampy stomp of the snare, I hear the sharp and crispy vocal track.

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Y'all cannot polish some of these turds enough.

VaultCurator said:

NouveauDance said:

Dream Factory would've followed Parade, so if these tracks were bundled with any album re-issue they would be a SOTT release given that they albums share content too.

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Personally I'd prefer a separate release, but that might be expecting too much.

Given the volume of material recorded during what led up to Sign 'O' The Times (Dream Factory, Camille, Crystal Ball) it wouldn't be a bad idea to release the Revolution era material as part of a 'Dream Factory' release, and the post break up material as part of SOTT Deluxe.

I'm not saying that Dream Factory needs it's own Super Deluxe or anything? Just a single or double CD for release in the summer and then the SOTT Super Deluxe to follow in winter. It would help take some of the burden off of SOTT Deluxe and make room for more outtakes.

Personally I'd love to see a Dream Factory release that has the original LP on CD1 and then some additional recordings from that era such as 'We Can Funk '86', 'Egg Plant' and 'Splash' on CD2.

I agree about the Dream Factory Prince & the Revolution release

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I realized there isn't much music that was created after the Revolution in connection with SOTT the release. Most stuff was music for other artists or in preperation for the Graffiti Bridge movie.
Camille should be released as a seperate project from SOTT too

.

I have about 30 songs connected to the Dream Factory project and sessions.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I realized there isn't much music that was created after the Revolution in connection with SOTT the release. Most stuff was music for other artists or in preperation for the Graffiti Bridge movie.

True, however ‘1999 Super Deluxe’ only had 2 CDs of vault material. Between Prince's solo songs recorded pre-break up, material that was recorded for Crystal Ball, and related tracks from the era there should be enough.

Here's an abridged list of tracks recorded post break up that I think could be relevant / included in a potential SOTT release, and these are just the known tracks… (credit to Scififilmnerd for the original list)

The Dawn, Home studio, 13 September – 1 October 1986
Crucial #1 (7:16) (13/9) – sax: Eric Leeds
Crucial #2 (7:23) – guitar version
Coco Boys #2 (14/9)
Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? #5 (6:15) (17/9) – offered to Michael Jackson
When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes (mid-September)
Superfunkycalifragisexy #1 (7:27)

Sunset Sound, 5-7 October 1986
Rescue Me (Raynard Miner/Carl Smith) (5/10) – cover of Fontella Bass, for Dolly Parton
Witness For The Prosecution #3 (4:53) (6/10)
Telepathy (Deborah Allen) (5:11)* (7/10)

Sunset Sound, 16-18 October 1986
Emotional Pump (16/10) – for Joni Mitchell

Camille, Sunset Sound, 27 October – 5 November 1986 – album completed 5 November
Rebirth Of The Flesh #1 (4:48) (28/10) – horns: Eric Leeds & Matt Blistan

Jill Jones, Sunset Sound, 10-14 November 1986 – 2nd album configuration 12 November
Yo Mister #1 (11/11)

Crystal Ball, Sunset Sound, 15-30 November 1986 – album completed 30 November
Cosmic Day (15/11)
The Ball #2 (4:35) – segued with
Joy In Repetition #2 (5:08)

Sunset Sound, 7-26 December 1986
Walkin’ In Glory (7/12)
Pony Ride (26/12)

Home Studio, 28 December 1986 – 6 January 1987
Wally #2 (29/12) – with Eric Leeds & Matt Blistan
Come Home #1 (6/1) – offered to Meli’sa Morgan

Sign ‘O’ The Times, Sunset Sound, 10-15 January 1987 – album completed 15 January
101 #1 (10/1) – released by Sheena Easton in 1989
Jaguar #1 (14/1) – offered to Sheena Easton

Home studio, 22 January – February 1987
Sheena Easton: Eternity #2 (3:52)* - tentative placing
There’s Something I Like About Being Your Fool #5 – Eric Leeds added saxophone 25/1, offered to Bonnie Raitt
3 Nigs Watchin’ A Kung-Fu Movie (Instrumental) (January/February) (Prince/Sheila E)
Jealous Girl #2 – Eric Leeds added saxophone 5/2, offered to Bonnie Raitt

Eden Prairie Warehouse, 24 March 1987
Instrumental – for Miles Davis

Home studio, April 1987
Baby Go-Go #2 – released by Nona Hendryx

Prince, Le New Morning, Paris, the night to 15 June 1987
What Did I Do? (9:19) – bootlegged as Wasn’t My Faith, Matt Fink: Organ, Levi Seacer Jr.: Bass, Drums: Dale Alexander, Eric Leeds: Saxophone & Matt Blistan: Trumpet

Mid 1987
I Believe I Love U #1 – piano demo

Graffiti Bridge, Paisley Park, July 1987 (may be better suited on Lovesexy Deluxe)
No Changes (early July) – music supposedly resembles The Rest Of My Life
If I Love U 2 Nite #2 (4:12)
Big Tall Wall #2 (5:50)
The Sex Of It #1 (3:32) (29/7)
Lust U Always #3 – offered to Robert Palmer

VaultCurator said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I realized there isn't much music that was created after the Revolution in connection with SOTT the release. Most stuff was music for other artists or in preperation for the Graffiti Bridge movie.

True, however ‘1999 Super Deluxe’ only had 2 CDs of vault material. Between Prince's solo songs recorded pre-break up, material that was recorded for Crystal Ball, and related tracks from the era there should be enough.

Here's an abridged list of tracks recorded post break up that I think could be relevant / included in a potential SOTT release, and these are just the known tracks… (credit to Scififilmnerd for the original list)

The Dawn, Home studio, 13 September – 1 October 1986
Crucial #1 (7:16) (13/9) – sax: Eric Leeds
Crucial #2 (7:23) – guitar version
Coco Boys #2 (14/9)
Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? #5 (6:15) (17/9) – offered to Michael Jackson
When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes (mid-September)
Superfunkycalifragisexy #1 (7:27)

Sunset Sound, 5-7 October 1986
Rescue Me (Raynard Miner/Carl Smith) (5/10) – cover of Fontella Bass, for Dolly Parton
Witness For The Prosecution #3 (4:53) (6/10)
Telepathy (Deborah Allen) (5:11)* (7/10)

Sunset Sound, 16-18 October 1986
Emotional Pump (16/10) – for Joni Mitchell

Camille, Sunset Sound, 27 October – 5 November 1986 – album completed 5 November
Rebirth Of The Flesh #1 (4:48) (28/10) – horns: Eric Leeds & Matt Blistan

Jill Jones, Sunset Sound, 10-14 November 1986 – 2nd album configuration 12 November
Yo Mister #1 (11/11)

Crystal Ball, Sunset Sound, 15-30 November 1986 – album completed 30 November
Cosmic Day (15/11)
The Ball #2 (4:35) – segued with
Joy In Repetition #2 (5:08)

Sunset Sound, 7-26 December 1986
Walkin’ In Glory (7/12)
Pony Ride (26/12)

Home Studio, 28 December 1986 – 6 January 1987
Wally #2 (29/12) – with Eric Leeds & Matt Blistan
Come Home #1 (6/1) – offered to Meli’sa Morgan

Sign ‘O’ The Times, Sunset Sound, 10-15 January 1987 – album completed 15 January
101 #1 (10/1) – released by Sheena Easton in 1989
Jaguar #1 (14/1) – offered to Sheena Easton

Home studio, 22 January – February 1987
Sheena Easton: Eternity #2 (3:52)* - tentative placing
There’s Something I Like About Being Your Fool #5 – Eric Leeds added saxophone 25/1, offered to Bonnie Raitt
3 Nigs Watchin’ A Kung-Fu Movie (Instrumental) (January/February) (Prince/Sheila E)
Jealous Girl #2 – Eric Leeds added saxophone 5/2, offered to Bonnie Raitt

Eden Prairie Warehouse, 24 March 1987
Instrumental – for Miles Davis

Home studio, April 1987
Baby Go-Go #2 – released by Nona Hendryx

Prince, Le New Morning, Paris, the night to 15 June 1987
What Did I Do? (9:19) – bootlegged as Wasn’t My Faith, Matt Fink: Organ, Levi Seacer Jr.: Bass, Drums: Dale Alexander, Eric Leeds: Saxophone & Matt Blistan: Trumpet

Mid 1987
I Believe I Love U #1 – piano demo

Graffiti Bridge, Paisley Park, July 1987 (may be better suited on Lovesexy Deluxe)
No Changes (early July) – music supposedly resembles The Rest Of My Life
If I Love U 2 Nite #2 (4:12)
Big Tall Wall #2 (5:50)
The Sex Of It #1 (3:32) (29/7)
Lust U Always #3 – offered to Robert Palmer

I need to hear his cover of "Rescue Me"!!!

homesquid said:

I had only heard a few of these cuts. DAMN! This is genius. Wishing and praying "Parade Super Deluxe" is next. Absolute peak. I still think Wendy And Lisa brought out the best in him.

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Under which rock were you living?

Boots of this stuff have been around for ages...!

Nowadays there's the 'internet' thing to facilitate things.

Did you hear about that yet?

A Walk In Glory for example I would include with a Black Album release

Coco Boys was already being worked on with the Revolution in 1986, there is boots of it at soundchecks on the Parade tour

Witness 4 the Prosecution is a Dream Factory outtake still

Joy In Repetition -Basic tracking took place on July 17th 1986
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What I mean is I'm looking for 'unique' pieces done 'outside of the Dream Factory/Camille' sessions that could specifically go with SOTT. 1999 cuts are different and more in time with the 1999 release.
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SOTT is unique in a way because of it's evolution. And it seems to be the 1 project in the 80s that Prince technically didn't want. It will definately be a problamatic piece to release as a deluxe in my opinion. But people like you and I if we had our way would probably releases everything in forms as it was to be:Dream Factory Camille Black Album Crystal Ball, Jill Jones etc But I really think the best way is to release the cuts in connection with the aborted projects. Connect all Camille cuts with a Camille release. Connect all Dream Factory(sessions/period recordings) with a Dream Factory release. Connect all Black Album cuts with a Black album release. Release a remastered Sign of the Times set with shows, Bsides extended versions and specific songs made after October 1986 like an 'originals disc'
But I think it would be better to release a 1987 'Originals type set with all those unrel cuts that were to go to other people. Keep it seperate from SOTT and the other projects. Since most were going to people 'outside the camp'

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I would definately also release a 1989 Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastics set which I would inclue pieces like Yo Mister if not on a Jill Jones set.

VaultCurator said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I realized there isn't much music that was created after the Revolution in connection with SOTT the release. Most stuff was music for other artists or in preperation for the Graffiti Bridge movie.

True, however ‘1999 Super Deluxe’ only had 2 CDs of vault material. Between Prince's solo songs recorded pre-break up, material that was recorded for Crystal Ball, and related tracks from the era there should be enough.

Here's an abridged list of tracks recorded post break up that I think could be relevant / included in a potential SOTT release, and these are just the known tracks… (credit to Scififilmnerd for the original list)

The Dawn, Home studio, 13 September – 1 October 1986
Crucial #1 (7:16) (13/9) – sax: Eric Leeds
Crucial #2 (7:23) – guitar version
Coco Boys #2 (14/9)
Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? #5 (6:15) (17/9) – offered to Michael Jackson
When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes (mid-September)
Superfunkycalifragisexy #1 (7:27)

Sunset Sound, 5-7 October 1986
Rescue Me (Raynard Miner/Carl Smith) (5/10) – cover of Fontella Bass, for Dolly Parton
Witness For The Prosecution #3 (4:53) (6/10)
Telepathy (Deborah Allen) (5:11)* (7/10)

Sunset Sound, 16-18 October 1986
Emotional Pump (16/10) – for Joni Mitchell

Camille, Sunset Sound, 27 October – 5 November 1986 – album completed 5 November
Rebirth Of The Flesh #1 (4:48) (28/10) – horns: Eric Leeds & Matt Blistan

Jill Jones, Sunset Sound, 10-14 November 1986 – 2nd album configuration 12 November
Yo Mister #1 (11/11)

Crystal Ball, Sunset Sound, 15-30 November 1986 – album completed 30 November
Cosmic Day (15/11)
The Ball #2 (4:35) – segued with
Joy In Repetition #2 (5:08)

Sunset Sound, 7-26 December 1986
Walkin’ In Glory (7/12)
Pony Ride (26/12)

Home Studio, 28 December 1986 – 6 January 1987
Wally #2 (29/12) – with Eric Leeds & Matt Blistan
Come Home #1 (6/1) – offered to Meli’sa Morgan

Sign ‘O’ The Times, Sunset Sound, 10-15 January 1987 – album completed 15 January
101 #1 (10/1) – released by Sheena Easton in 1989
Jaguar #1 (14/1) – offered to Sheena Easton

Home studio, 22 January – February 1987
Sheena Easton: Eternity #2 (3:52)* - tentative placing
There’s Something I Like About Being Your Fool #5 – Eric Leeds added saxophone 25/1, offered to Bonnie Raitt
3 Nigs Watchin’ A Kung-Fu Movie (Instrumental) (January/February) (Prince/Sheila E)
Jealous Girl #2 – Eric Leeds added saxophone 5/2, offered to Bonnie Raitt

Eden Prairie Warehouse, 24 March 1987
Instrumental – for Miles Davis

Home studio, April 1987
Baby Go-Go #2 – released by Nona Hendryx

Prince, Le New Morning, Paris, the night to 15 June 1987
What Did I Do? (9:19) – bootlegged as Wasn’t My Faith, Matt Fink: Organ, Levi Seacer Jr.: Bass, Drums: Dale Alexander, Eric Leeds: Saxophone & Matt Blistan: Trumpet

Mid 1987
I Believe I Love U #1 – piano demo

Graffiti Bridge, Paisley Park, July 1987 (may be better suited on Lovesexy Deluxe)
No Changes (early July) – music supposedly resembles The Rest Of My Life
If I Love U 2 Nite #2 (4:12)
Big Tall Wall #2 (5:50)
The Sex Of It #1 (3:32) (29/7)
Lust U Always #3 – offered to Robert Palmer