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klick2me

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Prince and Christmas; I have a couple of questions

Tis' the season and I have wondered what exactly would Prince do on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day?. I assume his bandmates would be with their families. Would he spend time with his family or a loved one? I have read he would spend time in the Caribbean but I believe that was before and after Christmas.
Also, other than Another Lonely Christmas, do you suppose there was another Christmas song or two in the vaults when he was alive?
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Reply #1 posted 12/20/19 9:56am

looby

I don't know, but the picture I have in my head of Prince during Christmas and holiday times is loneliness and a sad time for him. Christmas and holiday times are a time where families and friends get together, and Prince seemed like he alienated himself from both. He was a loner, and I think he cut himself off from family, and only associated with band members, and those he associated with in the Jehovah's Witness stuff. I don't think he had many friends, and he certainly didn't allow himself to get close to many people, if at all, so I'm guessing that Christmas and holidays were not good times for him. Now this is just purely speculation, but that seemed to be the kind of person that Prince was to me. Maybe Larry Graham and others invited him over for the holidays, but who knows if he went, or just stayed home at Paisley Park, or whatever? Anyway, I don't know if that was actually the case, but it's sad to think of him that way, if it were.

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Reply #2 posted 12/20/19 11:35am

laytonian

looby said:



Maybe Larry Graham and others invited him over for the holidays, but who knows if he went, or just stayed home at Paisley Park, or whatever? Anyway, I don't know if that was actually the case, but it's sad to think of him that way, if it were.



Why would Larry Graham invite him for Christmas when JWs do not celebrate it?

For many of us, it's just another day we look forward to when all the commercialization ends.
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Reply #3 posted 12/20/19 11:42am

lavendardrumma
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Aren't there some stories he took on a lot of private rich people parties overseas around the holidays?

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Reply #4 posted 12/20/19 12:26pm

looby

laytonian said:

looby said:

Maybe Larry Graham and others invited him over for the holidays, but who knows if he went, or just stayed home at Paisley Park, or whatever? Anyway, I don't know if that was actually the case, but it's sad to think of him that way, if it were.

Why would Larry Graham invite him for Christmas when JWs do not celebrate it? For many of us, it's just another day we look forward to when all the commercialization ends.

That's why I clearly stated that it's was speculation on my part, not fact. I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, so I don't know what they celebrate or don't celebrate, I'm not familiar with the religion in that sense.......just making a comment to the question asked.

[Edited 12/20/19 12:28pm]

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Reply #5 posted 12/20/19 7:39pm

PeggyO

Some possibilties:

I think each year was different. I think he went to Puerto Rico one year to visit Mayte's family.

Didn't he put an ad in a paper one year as a very eligible bachelor?

Perhaps some trips to Turks and Caicos with staff/friends?

He probably went with current girlfriends to their family's festivities.

He was friendly with Manuella's brothers and parents. Probably spent 4-5 X-mas's with them.

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Reply #6 posted 12/20/19 8:32pm

SchlomoThaHomo

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Remember that one year when he put that poem about Christmas up on his website, changing SANTA CLAUS to SATAN'S CLAWS? lol

FOUND IT.

'Tis the nightmare called ChristMESS that has the whole earth
Practicing pagan rituals in the name of Christ's birth
The stockings r hung, yet none seem 2 care
The Bible makes no such reference 2 this affair
The children r told of some nice guy in red
While the truth about Santa is Satan instead
And mama passes tradition 2 her kids' little laps
Enabling the origin of ChristMESS 2 remain under wraps
2 lazy 2 research what u've bLIEved since ur youth?
Then sit back and listen while eye tell u the truth...

Away from the lies that r simply rehashed
Eye opened the Bible and threw up, quite aghast
No mention that Jesus was born in December
So, who is it, each year, that the people remember?
O, what 2 my wandering eyes should eye find
But a celebration called Saturnalia - then, further backwards eye
climbed
He bgan a fake religion that competed with God
Eye knew at that moment it was Nimrod!

More rapid my heart beat the blood thru my veins
If Christ was never in ChristMESS, what then remains?
The wreaths, mistletoe, ChristMESS goose and the fixins
ChristMESS trees, gift-giving and holey day mixin
From the whole list there's none u should leave
All pagan in origin, they only dceive

B4 u knew the whole truth, it wasn't a lie
But, now that u know, it's on u 2 deny
Now on2 the icon, of course, u all knew
Bhind that long, flowing beard Santa hid something 2

All eye had was an inkling, so eye went in search of the proof
That Santa was not what eye'd learned in my youth
Eye drew in my breath when the truth hit my eye
Xposed were the roots of this so-called good guy

He's dressed all in red - take note of the hue
And that right there provides the first clue
With a bundle of toyz 2 teach children greed
Walk in2 any toy store and watch him succeed
Y yes, it is true, as the anagram will suggest
SANTA is SATAN, just festively dressed

His wry, little mouth is drawn up in a sneer
As children continue their worship year after year
Upon his mind, do u suppose that it gnaws
The telling morph of his name 2 spell SATAN'S CLAWS?
Yet, the characteristics of God he assumes as his own:
Omniscient, omnipresent - he's after God's throne

He is cunning and wicked, sure no jolly old elf
Now eye cringe when eye c him, no longer kidding myself
This nightmare called ChristMESS - how eye was misled -
In honor of Jesus, upholding Nimrod instead!
Churches ignore this truth tho it lurks
Eye guess appeasing the pagans wins over converts
ChristMESS lies warrant cleanup or else they r liable
2 put one at odds with what's taught in the Bible
Celebr8 how u like - the way u did in ur youth
Or recognize God as a Spirit 2 b worshipped in TRUTH

Eye heard it xclaimed while thru Jeremiah eye was breezin',

"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen."

- an NPG Music Club Member

[Edited 12/20/19 20:39pm]

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #7 posted 12/20/19 10:13pm

LoveGalore

laytonian said:

looby said:

Maybe Larry Graham and others invited him over for the holidays, but who knows if he went, or just stayed home at Paisley Park, or whatever? Anyway, I don't know if that was actually the case, but it's sad to think of him that way, if it were.

Why would Larry Graham invite him for Christmas when JWs do not celebrate it? For many of us, it's just another day we look forward to when all the commercialization ends.

Christmas' entire inception was related to gift-giving. Why do you even think the gift-giving is a thing? Directly because of the story of the kings bringing gifts. And given that the gift-giving has been occurring for hundreds of years (if not thousands), you may want to not hold your breath for it to all of a sudden stop.

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Prince celebrated Christmas the majority of his life. Even wrote a song about it. Then again, he didn't like his family, most of his bandmembers had their own families, and he had no one to celebrate with anyway in his lonely ivory tower. You best believe that every girlfriend or wife he had also had Judeo-Christian, Christmas-celebrating gift-giving families.

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Reply #8 posted 12/21/19 10:02am

looby

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Remember that one year when he put that poem about Christmas up on his website, changing SANTA CLAUS to SATAN'S CLAWS? lol

FOUND IT.

'Tis the nightmare called ChristMESS that has the whole earth
Practicing pagan rituals in the name of Christ's birth
The stockings r hung, yet none seem 2 care
The Bible makes no such reference 2 this affair
The children r told of some nice guy in red
While the truth about Santa is Satan instead
And mama passes tradition 2 her kids' little laps
Enabling the origin of ChristMESS 2 remain under wraps
2 lazy 2 research what u've bLIEved since ur youth?
Then sit back and listen while eye tell u the truth...

Away from the lies that r simply rehashed
Eye opened the Bible and threw up, quite aghast
No mention that Jesus was born in December
So, who is it, each year, that the people remember?
O, what 2 my wandering eyes should eye find
But a celebration called Saturnalia - then, further backwards eye
climbed
He bgan a fake religion that competed with God
Eye knew at that moment it was Nimrod!

More rapid my heart beat the blood thru my veins
If Christ was never in ChristMESS, what then remains?
The wreaths, mistletoe, ChristMESS goose and the fixins
ChristMESS trees, gift-giving and holey day mixin
From the whole list there's none u should leave
All pagan in origin, they only dceive

B4 u knew the whole truth, it wasn't a lie
But, now that u know, it's on u 2 deny
Now on2 the icon, of course, u all knew
Bhind that long, flowing beard Santa hid something 2

All eye had was an inkling, so eye went in search of the proof
That Santa was not what eye'd learned in my youth
Eye drew in my breath when the truth hit my eye
Xposed were the roots of this so-called good guy

He's dressed all in red - take note of the hue
And that right there provides the first clue
With a bundle of toyz 2 teach children greed
Walk in2 any toy store and watch him succeed
Y yes, it is true, as the anagram will suggest
SANTA is SATAN, just festively dressed

His wry, little mouth is drawn up in a sneer
As children continue their worship year after year
Upon his mind, do u suppose that it gnaws
The telling morph of his name 2 spell SATAN'S CLAWS?
Yet, the characteristics of God he assumes as his own:
Omniscient, omnipresent - he's after God's throne

He is cunning and wicked, sure no jolly old elf
Now eye cringe when eye c him, no longer kidding myself
This nightmare called ChristMESS - how eye was misled -
In honor of Jesus, upholding Nimrod instead!
Churches ignore this truth tho it lurks
Eye guess appeasing the pagans wins over converts
ChristMESS lies warrant cleanup or else they r liable
2 put one at odds with what's taught in the Bible
Celebr8 how u like - the way u did in ur youth
Or recognize God as a Spirit 2 b worshipped in TRUTH

Eye heard it xclaimed while thru Jeremiah eye was breezin',

"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen."

- an NPG Music Club Member

[Edited 12/20/19 20:39pm]

Do you know if he wrote this himself or just changed around the words of this poem that someone else wrote?

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Reply #9 posted 12/21/19 12:15pm

SchlomoThaHomo

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looby said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


Remember that one year when he put that poem about Christmas up on his website, changing SANTA CLAUS to SATAN'S CLAWS? lol

FOUND IT.


'Tis the nightmare called ChristMESS that has the whole earth
Practicing pagan rituals in the name of Christ's birth
The stockings r hung, yet none seem 2 care
The Bible makes no such reference 2 this affair
The children r told of some nice guy in red
While the truth about Santa is Satan instead
And mama passes tradition 2 her kids' little laps
Enabling the origin of ChristMESS 2 remain under wraps
2 lazy 2 research what u've bLIEved since ur youth?
Then sit back and listen while eye tell u the truth...


Away from the lies that r simply rehashed
Eye opened the Bible and threw up, quite aghast
No mention that Jesus was born in December
So, who is it, each year, that the people remember?
O, what 2 my wandering eyes should eye find
But a celebration called Saturnalia - then, further backwards eye
climbed
He bgan a fake religion that competed with God
Eye knew at that moment it was Nimrod!


More rapid my heart beat the blood thru my veins
If Christ was never in ChristMESS, what then remains?
The wreaths, mistletoe, ChristMESS goose and the fixins
ChristMESS trees, gift-giving and holey day mixin
From the whole list there's none u should leave
All pagan in origin, they only dceive


B4 u knew the whole truth, it wasn't a lie
But, now that u know, it's on u 2 deny
Now on2 the icon, of course, u all knew
Bhind that long, flowing beard Santa hid something 2


All eye had was an inkling, so eye went in search of the proof
That Santa was not what eye'd learned in my youth
Eye drew in my breath when the truth hit my eye
Xposed were the roots of this so-called good guy


He's dressed all in red - take note of the hue
And that right there provides the first clue
With a bundle of toyz 2 teach children greed
Walk in2 any toy store and watch him succeed
Y yes, it is true, as the anagram will suggest
SANTA is SATAN, just festively dressed


His wry, little mouth is drawn up in a sneer
As children continue their worship year after year
Upon his mind, do u suppose that it gnaws
The telling morph of his name 2 spell SATAN'S CLAWS?
Yet, the characteristics of God he assumes as his own:
Omniscient, omnipresent - he's after God's throne


He is cunning and wicked, sure no jolly old elf
Now eye cringe when eye c him, no longer kidding myself
This nightmare called ChristMESS - how eye was misled -
In honor of Jesus, upholding Nimrod instead!
Churches ignore this truth tho it lurks
Eye guess appeasing the pagans wins over converts
ChristMESS lies warrant cleanup or else they r liable
2 put one at odds with what's taught in the Bible
Celebr8 how u like - the way u did in ur youth
Or recognize God as a Spirit 2 b worshipped in TRUTH


Eye heard it xclaimed while thru Jeremiah eye was breezin',


"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen."


- an NPG Music Club Member


[Edited 12/20/19 20:39pm]



Do you know if he wrote this himself or just changed around the words of this poem that someone else wrote?



I don’t think it was ever revealed. Sounds like him though.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #10 posted 12/22/19 10:16am

HollywoodSt

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Remember that one year when he put that poem about Christmas up on his website, changing SANTA CLAUS to SATAN'S CLAWS? lol

FOUND IT.


'Tis the nightmare called ChristMESS that has the whole earth
Practicing pagan rituals in the name of Christ's birth
The stockings r hung, yet none seem 2 care
The Bible makes no such reference 2 this affair
The children r told of some nice guy in red
While the truth about Santa is Satan instead
And mama passes tradition 2 her kids' little laps
Enabling the origin of ChristMESS 2 remain under wraps
2 lazy 2 research what u've bLIEved since ur youth?
Then sit back and listen while eye tell u the truth...


Away from the lies that r simply rehashed
Eye opened the Bible and threw up, quite aghast
No mention that Jesus was born in December
So, who is it, each year, that the people remember?
O, what 2 my wandering eyes should eye find
But a celebration called Saturnalia - then, further backwards eye
climbed
He bgan a fake religion that competed with God
Eye knew at that moment it was Nimrod!


More rapid my heart beat the blood thru my veins
If Christ was never in ChristMESS, what then remains?
The wreaths, mistletoe, ChristMESS goose and the fixins
ChristMESS trees, gift-giving and holey day mixin
From the whole list there's none u should leave
All pagan in origin, they only dceive


B4 u knew the whole truth, it wasn't a lie
But, now that u know, it's on u 2 deny
Now on2 the icon, of course, u all knew
Bhind that long, flowing beard Santa hid something 2


All eye had was an inkling, so eye went in search of the proof
That Santa was not what eye'd learned in my youth
Eye drew in my breath when the truth hit my eye
Xposed were the roots of this so-called good guy


He's dressed all in red - take note of the hue
And that right there provides the first clue
With a bundle of toyz 2 teach children greed
Walk in2 any toy store and watch him succeed
Y yes, it is true, as the anagram will suggest
SANTA is SATAN, just festively dressed


His wry, little mouth is drawn up in a sneer
As children continue their worship year after year
Upon his mind, do u suppose that it gnaws
The telling morph of his name 2 spell SATAN'S CLAWS?
Yet, the characteristics of God he assumes as his own:
Omniscient, omnipresent - he's after God's throne


He is cunning and wicked, sure no jolly old elf
Now eye cringe when eye c him, no longer kidding myself
This nightmare called ChristMESS - how eye was misled -
In honor of Jesus, upholding Nimrod instead!
Churches ignore this truth tho it lurks
Eye guess appeasing the pagans wins over converts
ChristMESS lies warrant cleanup or else they r liable
2 put one at odds with what's taught in the Bible
Celebr8 how u like - the way u did in ur youth
Or recognize God as a Spirit 2 b worshipped in TRUTH


Eye heard it xclaimed while thru Jeremiah eye was breezin',


"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen."


- an NPG Music Club Member

[Edited 12/20/19 20:39pm]



“And a partridge in a pear tree”
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Reply #11 posted 12/22/19 10:47am

onlyforaminute

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Remember that one year when he put that poem about Christmas up on his website, changing SANTA CLAUS to SATAN'S CLAWS? lol

FOUND IT.


'Tis the nightmare called ChristMESS that has the whole earth
Practicing pagan rituals in the name of Christ's birth
The stockings r hung, yet none seem 2 care
The Bible makes no such reference 2 this affair
The children r told of some nice guy in red
While the truth about Santa is Satan instead
And mama passes tradition 2 her kids' little laps
Enabling the origin of ChristMESS 2 remain under wraps
2 lazy 2 research what u've bLIEved since ur youth?
Then sit back and listen while eye tell u the truth...


Away from the lies that r simply rehashed
Eye opened the Bible and threw up, quite aghast
No mention that Jesus was born in December
So, who is it, each year, that the people remember?
O, what 2 my wandering eyes should eye find
But a celebration called Saturnalia - then, further backwards eye
climbed
He bgan a fake religion that competed with God
Eye knew at that moment it was Nimrod!


More rapid my heart beat the blood thru my veins
If Christ was never in ChristMESS, what then remains?
The wreaths, mistletoe, ChristMESS goose and the fixins
ChristMESS trees, gift-giving and holey day mixin
From the whole list there's none u should leave
All pagan in origin, they only dceive


B4 u knew the whole truth, it wasn't a lie
But, now that u know, it's on u 2 deny
Now on2 the icon, of course, u all knew
Bhind that long, flowing beard Santa hid something 2


All eye had was an inkling, so eye went in search of the proof
That Santa was not what eye'd learned in my youth
Eye drew in my breath when the truth hit my eye
Xposed were the roots of this so-called good guy


He's dressed all in red - take note of the hue
And that right there provides the first clue
With a bundle of toyz 2 teach children greed
Walk in2 any toy store and watch him succeed
Y yes, it is true, as the anagram will suggest
SANTA is SATAN, just festively dressed


His wry, little mouth is drawn up in a sneer
As children continue their worship year after year
Upon his mind, do u suppose that it gnaws
The telling morph of his name 2 spell SATAN'S CLAWS?
Yet, the characteristics of God he assumes as his own:
Omniscient, omnipresent - he's after God's throne


He is cunning and wicked, sure no jolly old elf
Now eye cringe when eye c him, no longer kidding myself
This nightmare called ChristMESS - how eye was misled -
In honor of Jesus, upholding Nimrod instead!
Churches ignore this truth tho it lurks
Eye guess appeasing the pagans wins over converts
ChristMESS lies warrant cleanup or else they r liable
2 put one at odds with what's taught in the Bible
Celebr8 how u like - the way u did in ur youth
Or recognize God as a Spirit 2 b worshipped in TRUTH


Eye heard it xclaimed while thru Jeremiah eye was breezin',


"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen."


- an NPG Music Club Member

[Edited 12/20/19 20:39pm]


Aw, fun times.
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Reply #12 posted 12/22/19 12:01pm

jfenster

just the fact that he would write a song like ALC pretty much tells all u need to know

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Reply #13 posted 12/22/19 1:57pm

rogifan

Watch this video. Tamar shares a touching story of Prince giving her and her father gifts near Christmas wrapped in white and gold. She gets quite emotional about it.

https://people.com/celebr...-memories/

Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #14 posted 12/22/19 2:38pm

klick2me

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rogifan said:

Watch this video. Tamar shares a touching story of Prince giving her and her father gifts near Christmas wrapped in white and gold. She gets quite emotional about it.



https://people.com/celebr...-memories/




Sweet! Thanks
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Reply #15 posted 12/23/19 8:01am

CAL3

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Remember that one year when he put that poem about Christmas up on his website, changing SANTA CLAUS to SATAN'S CLAWS? lol

FOUND IT.

'Tis the nightmare called ChristMESS that has the whole earth
Practicing pagan rituals in the name of Christ's birth
The stockings r hung, yet none seem 2 care
The Bible makes no such reference 2 this affair
The children r told of some nice guy in red
While the truth about Santa is Satan instead
And mama passes tradition 2 her kids' little laps
Enabling the origin of ChristMESS 2 remain under wraps
2 lazy 2 research what u've bLIEved since ur youth?
Then sit back and listen while eye tell u the truth...

Away from the lies that r simply rehashed
Eye opened the Bible and threw up, quite aghast
No mention that Jesus was born in December
So, who is it, each year, that the people remember?
O, what 2 my wandering eyes should eye find
But a celebration called Saturnalia - then, further backwards eye
climbed
He bgan a fake religion that competed with God
Eye knew at that moment it was Nimrod!

More rapid my heart beat the blood thru my veins
If Christ was never in ChristMESS, what then remains?
The wreaths, mistletoe, ChristMESS goose and the fixins
ChristMESS trees, gift-giving and holey day mixin
From the whole list there's none u should leave
All pagan in origin, they only dceive

B4 u knew the whole truth, it wasn't a lie
But, now that u know, it's on u 2 deny
Now on2 the icon, of course, u all knew
Bhind that long, flowing beard Santa hid something 2

All eye had was an inkling, so eye went in search of the proof
That Santa was not what eye'd learned in my youth
Eye drew in my breath when the truth hit my eye
Xposed were the roots of this so-called good guy

He's dressed all in red - take note of the hue
And that right there provides the first clue
With a bundle of toyz 2 teach children greed
Walk in2 any toy store and watch him succeed
Y yes, it is true, as the anagram will suggest
SANTA is SATAN, just festively dressed

His wry, little mouth is drawn up in a sneer
As children continue their worship year after year
Upon his mind, do u suppose that it gnaws
The telling morph of his name 2 spell SATAN'S CLAWS?
Yet, the characteristics of God he assumes as his own:
Omniscient, omnipresent - he's after God's throne

He is cunning and wicked, sure no jolly old elf
Now eye cringe when eye c him, no longer kidding myself
This nightmare called ChristMESS - how eye was misled -
In honor of Jesus, upholding Nimrod instead!
Churches ignore this truth tho it lurks
Eye guess appeasing the pagans wins over converts
ChristMESS lies warrant cleanup or else they r liable
2 put one at odds with what's taught in the Bible
Celebr8 how u like - the way u did in ur youth
Or recognize God as a Spirit 2 b worshipped in TRUTH

Eye heard it xclaimed while thru Jeremiah eye was breezin',

"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen."

- an NPG Music Club Member

[Edited 12/20/19 20:39pm]

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oh wow... never saw this. Too funny.

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