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Reply #30 posted 12/11/19 9:08am

AZStreet

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thebanishedone said:

djdaffy1227 said:



I noticed it most on "Do me baby", it almost seemed like he had no idea where to start singing. When he finally started he wasn't in the right place and didn't sing the first words right and stopped. It's not his voice. He sounds fine. Near the end of his career he could just look at the other band members and they knew what to do. Here it just seems different. Not bad, mind you, just different.

i have heard all the versions of Do Me Baby from the 1999 tour

and i do agree this one is not the best.there are some really good versions of that song

So which version stands out to you from the 1999 tour? I personally loved the Fox Theatre version. It felt incredibly gorgeous

"You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"

"Who's the foo singing will it's would"
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Reply #31 posted 12/11/19 10:02am

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D.M.S.R. has been on repeat! So funky!

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that second instrumental version is neraly a (different) song on it's own.

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I always loooooved the way Prince re-arranged his songs to play live.

One of my own projects is to make compilations of just one song each, played live over the years, and to see how it changed in performance and from arrangement.

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The never boring long version of "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore" is just...

...ultra sweet and sexy.

You can feel that he is playing with his audience,

and I'm really suprised with the additional background vocals by his bandmembers, half way the song.

Sounds really really nice and fresh (is that Brownmark or Dr. Fink singing together with the girls Jill and Lisa ? Or just Dez ?).

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Reply #32 posted 12/11/19 11:33am

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bobby Z was not flashy but he was more than compenent good in the pocket drummer.using linn live at that time was both pioneer and groundbreaking and just because u dont feel it dont mean u should call it weak.btw cymbals were always live

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I will call it weak if I thought it was weak. And I thought that shit was WEAK.

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Kirk J was a weak drummer too - should that not be said?

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Ooooh live cymbals, now THERE'S some skill. Prince shouldn't have been settling for "competent."

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Reply #33 posted 12/11/19 12:04pm

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CAL3 said:



thebanishedone said:


bobby Z was not flashy but he was more than compenent good in the pocket drummer.using linn live at that time was both pioneer and groundbreaking and just because u dont feel it dont mean u should call it weak.btw cymbals were always live

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I will call it weak if I thought it was weak. And I thought that shit was WEAK.


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Kirk J was a weak drummer too - should that not be said?

I can see u know nothing about drumming.Kirk is very good in the pocket drummer.being on time and keeping time is much more important than flash.u prob think that John Blackwell was an amazing drummer.well i can tell you that Prince fined Blackwell a lots of times because he had timing problems.that was told to me by one Prince band member.Bobby Z never missed a beat.his timing was very good.

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Ooooh live cymbals, now THERE'S some skill. Prince shouldn't have been settling for "competent."

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Reply #34 posted 12/11/19 1:25pm

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When it comes to Jirky K's druming...I would say he was the cheapest option available to Prince and that's why he got the job.

Said but probably true.

Going from a master drummer like Michael Bland all the way down to Kirk is pretty bad.

I swear Prince was just trying to save $ at that time (1996-2000)

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Reply #35 posted 12/11/19 2:04pm

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The version of Head on here makes me dance. bananadance

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Reply #36 posted 12/12/19 7:31am

CAL3

thebanishedone said:

CAL3 said:

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I will call it weak if I thought it was weak. And I thought that shit was WEAK.

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Kirk J was a weak drummer too - should that not be said?

I can see u know nothing about drumming.Kirk is very good in the pocket drummer.being on time and keeping time is much more important than flash.u prob think that John Blackwell was an amazing drummer.well i can tell you that Prince fined Blackwell a lots of times because he had timing problems.that was told to me by one Prince band member.Bobby Z never missed a beat.his timing was very good.

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Ooooh live cymbals, now THERE'S some skill. Prince shouldn't have been settling for "competent."

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Love when people get farther away from the original point by making presumtions about someone's relative knowledge and personal taste. Way to make a point, you sound super smart!

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Reply #37 posted 12/12/19 8:16am

thebanishedone

Yeah i am a bad guy just because i defend people who invested their time to be good musicians like Bobby Z and Kirk.Bobby Z never missed a beat.he played live drums 1979-1982 than from 1985 live again.styles ranging from rock to funk to jazz.Kirk is a very good in the pocket drummer.he never missed a beat and if you listen to his playing on stratus from 2015 live u can see he improved a lot regarding flash if u like flash
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Reply #38 posted 12/16/19 4:42pm

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Just started listening to this. I’m noticing that the rhythm guitar by Dez seems to be “off”. It’s not just the actual rhythm/timing, it almost sounds like Dez is playing them in a lower octave or a loser voicing vs how Prince played on the record. The breakdown in 1999 especially doesn’t sound like it’s being played as high on the neck.

I play keys not guitar so maybe I’m not saying the correctly but it just doesn’t sound right to me.
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Reply #39 posted 12/16/19 6:38pm

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I was there. The Time blew Prince off the stage but he still had a great set. I wish they would release The Time's concert

AND in Buffalo NY too (2/24/1983)!!!

cool cool cool

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Reply #40 posted 12/18/19 10:44am

CAL3

thebanishedone said:

Yeah i am a bad guy just because i defend people who invested their time to be good musicians like Bobby Z and Kirk.Bobby Z never missed a beat.he played live drums 1979-1982 than from 1985 live again.styles ranging from rock to funk to jazz.Kirk is a very good in the pocket drummer.he never missed a beat and if you listen to his playing on stratus from 2015 live u can see he improved a lot regarding flash if u like flash

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All that aside, the drumming on this live disc is the weakest element of the performance and it detracts from the overall listening experience.

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Not slamming Bobby Z's entire career. Just saying tha in terms of this one performance, the drumming leaves a lot to be desired.

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Forget I said anything about Kirk, he's a drum genius. Too bad folks like Clyde Stubblefield couldn't have taken lessons from him.

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(by the way, I said NOTHING about flash - you were the one who made assumptions and went down that road)

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Reply #41 posted 12/19/19 11:39pm

andrewm7

Am I tripping or does some of that audience sound dubbed on? lol

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Reply #42 posted 12/31/19 11:02am

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The bass on Do Me Baby is phat! Love it!!! headbang






The kids don't say "phat" anymore, do they? lol

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Reply #43 posted 12/31/19 11:08am

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djThunderfunk said:

The bass on Do Me Baby is phat! Love it!!! headbang






The kids don't say "phat" anymore, do they? lol

It is, and no they don't

but I still say Fresh

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Reply #44 posted 12/31/19 11:12am

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scififilmnerd said:

The version of Head on here makes me dance. bananadance

Yes, with the Lady Cab Driver beat. I've been rocking this one since I got it.

I love how Lisa's vocals come out,

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Reply #45 posted 01/03/20 9:33am

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In case you're wondering who is playing the second guitar on LRC, both Dez and David Z have confirmed it's Prince: https://www.facebook.com/...295458441/

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David Z: Prince was playing the guitar on the left.

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Dez Dickerson: Prince always played rhythm guitar on that song live-always two guitar parts going. Anything recorded live from that era was either me playing a single guitar, or Prince and I both playing. We NEVER used anyone playing backstage during my time with the band, ever-that would have been considered an abomination

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