CD5/LP9&10 (Live In Detroit at Masonic Temple Theater, Masonic Hall (Late Show) – November 30, 1982, Previously Unreleased)
01 Controversy
02 Let’s Work
03 Little Red Corvette
04 Do Me, Baby
05 Head
06 Uptown
07 Lisa’s Keyboard Interlude
08 How Come U Don’t Call Me Anymore?
09 Automatic
10 International Lover
11 1999
12 D.M.S.R.

I am really enjoying this

D.M.S.R. has been on repeat! So funky!

i was suprised that Prince is playing guitar solo on live Automatic.

on 1999 tour Prince always left that solo 4 Dez but here

Prince is playing extended guitar solo and its so cool

This is an interesting listen. It's clear he certainly tweaked his live performances for the better as his career went on. Some of this the band and his vocals seem very "loose". His band was super tight at the end of his career. I still enjoy hearing his early performances though.

djdaffy1227 said:

This is an interesting listen. It's clear he certainly tweaked his live performances for the better as his career went on. Some of this the band and his vocals seem very "loose". His band was super tight at the end of his career. I still enjoy hearing his early performances though.

what do u mean by Loose? i think Prince was the best singer on 1999 tour

thebanishedone said:

djdaffy1227 said:

This is an interesting listen. It's clear he certainly tweaked his live performances for the better as his career went on. Some of this the band and his vocals seem very "loose". His band was super tight at the end of his career. I still enjoy hearing his early performances though.

what do u mean by Loose? i think Prince was the best singer on 1999 tour

I noticed it most on "Do me baby", it almost seemed like he had no idea where to start singing. When he finally started he wasn't in the right place and didn't sing the first words right and stopped. It's not his voice. He sounds fine. Near the end of his career he could just look at the other band members and they knew what to do. Here it just seems different. Not bad, mind you, just different.

djdaffy1227 said:

thebanishedone said:

what do u mean by Loose? i think Prince was the best singer on 1999 tour

I noticed it most on "Do me baby", it almost seemed like he had no idea where to start singing. When he finally started he wasn't in the right place and didn't sing the first words right and stopped. It's not his voice. He sounds fine. Near the end of his career he could just look at the other band members and they knew what to do. Here it just seems different. Not bad, mind you, just different.

i have heard all the versions of Do Me Baby from the 1999 tour

and i do agree this one is not the best.there are some really good versions of that song

from the same tour but if you want to hear

Princes best vocal work on Do Me Baby you can go no wrong

if you listen to Controversy tour recordings.

On Controversy tour Prince started employing his chest voice so him

combining falsetto

*that also improved a lot since Dirty Mind Tour*

with chest voice when he sings Like you never done before is amazing.

You can check Capitol Theatre version of the song on youtube. best singing ever on Do Me Baby

but there are 1999 tour versions that are great

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Is it me or Prince wrong uptown lyrics?

[Edited 11/28/19 7:45am]

thebanishedone said:

i was suprised that Prince is playing guitar solo on live Automatic.

on 1999 tour Prince always left that solo 4 Dez but here

Prince is playing extended guitar solo and its so cool

I'm glad he didn't because Dez is a real shitty guitar player imo. Never inspired, his bends are always false, no sense of rythm... Lucky for us that he left the band!

highcalonic said:

thebanishedone said:

i was suprised that Prince is playing guitar solo on live Automatic.

on 1999 tour Prince always left that solo 4 Dez but here

Prince is playing extended guitar solo and its so cool

I'm glad he didn't because Dez is a real shitty guitar player imo. Never inspired, his bends are always false, no sense of rythm... Lucky for us that he left the band!

i catch your drift if we talk about his latter playing when Dez was about to leave.

but he played better solos in the early days and how can

you say he have no sense of rhythm?

to me he was one of the best rhythm guitar players Prince ever had

luv4u said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

I was there. The Time blew Prince off the stage but he still had a great set. I wish they would release The Time's concert

djdaffy1227 said:

thebanishedone said:

what do u mean by Loose? i think Prince was the best singer on 1999 tour

I noticed it most on "Do me baby", it almost seemed like he had no idea where to start singing. When he finally started he wasn't in the right place and didn't sing the first words right and stopped. It's not his voice. He sounds fine. Near the end of his career he could just look at the other band members and they knew what to do. Here it just seems different. Not bad, mind you, just different.

and I think it was Do Me Baby where he stats the 2nd verse off singing the 1st....oppsie

My mistake! I he just kind of mumbled or something...

[Edited 12/1/19 6:34am]

I have soundboard bootlegs from this era, still cool to hear this concert disc. I'm in heaven.

thebanishedone said:

highcalonic said:

I'm glad he didn't because Dez is a real shitty guitar player imo. Never inspired, his bends are always false, no sense of rythm... Lucky for us that he left the band!

i catch your drift if we talk about his latter playing when Dez was about to leave.

but he played better solos in the early days and how can

you say he have no sense of rhythm?

to me he was one of the best rhythm guitar players Prince ever had

I can say it because i'm a guitar player and rhythm has always been my main focus. Just compare when Prince leaves Dez alone and when he comes back, day and night !

Also, after only two years with Prince Wendy was a better rhythm guitar player imo.

And Dez solos are a nightmare to hear when he doesn't follow the guitar track of the song. For me, when you are enable to be inspired when you improvise on your instrument means you are an ordinary musician.

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highcalonic said:

thebanishedone said:

i catch your drift if we talk about his latter playing when Dez was about to leave.

but he played better solos in the early days and how can

you say he have no sense of rhythm?

to me he was one of the best rhythm guitar players Prince ever had

I can say it because i'm a guitar player and rhythm has always been my main focus. Just compare when Prince leaves Dez alone and when he comes back, day and night !

Also, after only two years with Prince Wendy was a better rhythm guitar player imo.

And Dez solos are a nightmare to hear when he doesn't follow the guitar track of the song. For me, when you are enable to be inspired when you improvise on your instrument means you are an ordinary musician.

[Edited 12/2/19 1:29am]

well im a guitar players also

i do agree that Dez soloing in the late 1982 1983 left a lot to be desired

but he had nice solos b4 1983 and i disagree that Wendy was better

at anything on guitar compared to Dez.

if Dez was not good Prince wouldnt ask to extended his contract

for the next 7 years which Dez rejected

I absolutely love this release. I can't count the number of times I've listened to the earlier show from that night (I first got my hands on a old cassette dub of it back in 1986) so I was ecstatic to hear the late show. The slight variations between the two are like revelations to these old ears!! They crushed this box set! THANK YOU, PRINCE ESTATE!

Holy... This is insanely good. Automatic just blew my head off. Wow! Live from Detroit '82. #GRATEFUL

CDinwiddie said:

Holy... This is insanely good. Automatic just blew my head off. Wow! Live from Detroit '82. #GRATEFUL

and DMSR! Sweet Jesus!

thebanishedone said:

highcalonic said:

I can say it because i'm a guitar player and rhythm has always been my main focus. Just compare when Prince leaves Dez alone and when he comes back, day and night !

Also, after only two years with Prince Wendy was a better rhythm guitar player imo.

And Dez solos are a nightmare to hear when he doesn't follow the guitar track of the song. For me, when you are enable to be inspired when you improvise on your instrument means you are an ordinary musician.

[Edited 12/2/19 1:29am]

well im a guitar players also

i do agree that Dez soloing in the late 1982 1983 left a lot to be desired

but he had nice solos b4 1983 and i disagree that Wendy was better

at anything on guitar compared to Dez.

if Dez was not good Prince wouldnt ask to extended his contract

for the next 7 years which Dez rejected

Dez was spiritually detaching by this time.

He must have had a weird time singing Head on the tour and ready to move onto being a Modernaire with Idol

So... I have a bootleg of the 30 November 1982 Detroit concert, but it has Lady Cab Driver instead of Automatic which is on 1999 Super Deluxe disc 5 instead of Lady Cab Driver. So what's the story here... Does Anyone know?

[Edited 12/4/19 9:58am]

^ There were multiple shows on several nights.

(Check Princetourhistory via google.sites.)

The new released soundboard audio is for the "late night" or early morning show. Depending on how you look at it.

scififilmnerd said:

So... I have a bootleg of the 30 November 1982 Detroit concert, but it has Lady Cab Driver instead of Automatic which is on 1999 Super Deluxe disc 5 instead of Lady Cab Driver. So what's the story here... Does Anyone know?

[Edited 12/4/19 9:58am]

That's the show I was referring to earlier in the topic. Same night, different time.

BalladofPeterParker said:

scififilmnerd said:

So... I have a bootleg of the 30 November 1982 Detroit concert, but it has Lady Cab Driver instead of Automatic which is on 1999 Super Deluxe disc 5 instead of Lady Cab Driver. So what's the story here... Does Anyone know?

[Edited 12/4/19 9:58am]

That's the show I was referring to earlier in the topic. Same night, different time.

Oh, right. I missed that posting. Thanks.

Love hearing this. The weak point is the monotony of the "drumming" - makes some of the tunes sound borderline amateurish. Despite the great vocals.

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I haven't personally sought out a great deal of early live boots, so I guess I didn't realize how uninventive Bobby's stick work was... It's almost comically poor on slower numbers like "Do Me Baby" and "International Lover." Just a loop playing? My exposure to the early live material is admittedly limited, just didn't know how stiff and robotic the drum parts sound.

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But that said, this disc WILL get some heavy rotation in my player - sounds great and it's definitely a fun listen. Fave tracks: "Controversy," "How Come U Don't Call Me," and "Automatic."

CAL3 said:

Love hearing this. The weak point is the monotony of the "drumming" - makes some of the tunes sound borderline amateurish. Despite the great vocals.

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I haven't personally sought out a great deal of early live boots, so I guess I didn't realize how uninventive Bobby's stick work was... It's almost comically poor on slower numbers like "Do Me Baby" and "International Lover." Just a loop playing? My exposure to the early live material is admittedly limited, just didn't know how stiff and robotic the drum parts sound.

Yes, I never really understood how that all worked in the 80s exactly. Did Bobby Z's hits trigger Linn buttons?

[Edited 12/11/19 0:12am]