Phase One grew on me and Phase Two was killer whole way through. Great end to a amazing discography and career | |
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I agree I loved 2010 to 2016 and his rock n roll vibe. Peaceandlove☮️💜☮️💜 | |
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I wouldn't say so personally - they don't compete with what had come before, but I've always considered D&P and Symbol to be fairly solid Prince albums. It wasn't until The Gold Experience that his studio work began to lose its magic for me. I stuck with him for quite a while though. When I donated my vast Prince collection to my younger sister, it was everything after Symbol that I gave her | |
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I agree I loved 2010 to 2016 and his rock n roll vibe. My bad | |
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Don't anyone even dare drag The Gold Experience into any discussion of his "lowest career point"... is nothing sacred??
Seriously, my fave Prince eras are '80-'87, '93-'95 and '14-'15... so while '89-'92 isn't a 'high point' for me exactly, I think he was generally chugging along fine in that era. '98-'99 was more the low point, I think... I'm not sure that any two consecutive Prince or NPG albums underwhelmed me as much as Newpower Soul and Rave. Although even *they* have their moments. And at least during the early '00s instrumental jazz/TRC phase, you couldn't accuse him of not experimenting.
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I hope nobody drags TRC cause I was about to be like you and go is nothing sacred either
But you are indeed right about NPS and Rave
"You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"
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No, you're cool...🤣 Peaceandlove☮️💜☮️💜 | |
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Sorry [Edited 11/19/19 15:35pm] | |
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I also take into account Prince was still trying to settle himself from a real change in the culture, that made him flow more easily. Overall the 80s culture in general Prince thrived in. He's a 70s child, he loves the 60s hippie movements etc then add that 'his' culture changed ie his 'kingdom' shrunk considerably. The Time, (Vanity 6/A6) engineers like Susan Rogers, Peggy O, the Revolution etc were 'gone' those people/expressions where his 'mirrored' community-as he called them in 1998. Yes Sheila E, Dr Fink were there, but the vibe had changed, his protege output wasn't like 1982-1986. And then in 1989 more people leave ie Sheila E, Cat, Boni, I think Atlanta Bliss officially retired . And now he is trying to pull things together, maybe some new influences aren't making the purple shine like it did before. Sequestered into Paisley Park, Graffiti Bridge disaster etc | |
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Even his "low points" kicked a lot of ass. I never lost interest and almost always found something exciting in almost everything he did, even if I had to hunt harder for it or it wasn't as consistent. To me, the "I'm gonna do jazz now" thing that showed up with TRC and NEWS was as bored as I ever got. | |
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Ain't that the truth??!! Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling... | |
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So true! I see a lot of diversity of opinion, but nobody will ever start lauding purple and gold as a masterpiece | |
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Those last year were a low point.
Yes, he was still wonderful live, but that was always the case. Although that period where he did Greatest Hits Medley tours was very disappointing.
But the new music he created was forgettable or just plain bad.
And that's no slight agaist Prince or his work ethic. Could Michael Jordan dunk at 50 like he did at 25? Of course not. The brain ages as well as the body.
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Stare, Free Urself and If Eye Could Get Ur Attention were "forgettable or just plain bad"? Come on now... [Edited 11/21/19 12:53pm] | |
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I like Batman and a few cuts on GB/D&P/Love Symbol, but Prince lost something around that time period for me. As others have mentioned, he stopped being an innovator to a great extent. Still supremely talented, but I felt like he was a little desperate for financial/critical success. The good stuff from that time didn't compare to the amazing material he released (or didn't release) beforehand. Not to mention that was when he started dropping really lame songs..
Still, commercially, it was a good time for him and he still had love overseas, but to an extent I felt like he was losing respect in the USA scene just a bit. I'd say 1999-2003 was a career low. [Edited 11/21/19 15:00pm] | |
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Hmmm! ![]() One of the things I love about Prince’ music is the constant presence of the surprise element, there’s always gonna be a moment that will skyrocket your geekdom if you maintain an open mind ![]() | |
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As is so often the case, the original recording was vastly superior though (was it Jill Jones, 1986?). | |
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To which I say "1998 - 2000". | |
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Ok, i'm gonna jump in here and do it | |
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more like 2008-2015 (in terms of studio releases) | |
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No. The view may be held by many but it's not shared. Batman, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls and O(+> each yielded at least one top 10 single. Each had some classic gems among whatever filler there was. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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lol now way. He had GB, D&(, Symbol albums and tours etc. The low point was 1994-2000 "Climb in my fur." | |
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To be frank...I absolutely love hearing opposing opinions.
It's proof that Prince literally had something for everyone. Versatility than a mug "You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"
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I agree, sometimes i think he needed WB to get out the good stuff. I don't believe in just release everything you come up with. Emancipation aint no parade or 1999.
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I went to the Bataclan show in '94 and it was amazing and it was great to hear these brand new unknown songs live and after that show the whole The Gold Experience ride began for me and was such a great time. Very good memories for that year. | |
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I was really excited about the Gold Experience, when I Hate U single hit the radio
I was not excited about a Prince album coming out since Lovesexy
But I was underwhelmed after getting the album. the music didn't do me well, BUT the era overall was fun.
Did you like the Gold Experience album/music too? | |
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I think to understand this you have to understand “low point” is a relative thing. When you compare the image, style, messaging, growth and execution of prince from the For You album all the way to sign if the times it is utterly amazing. It is like seeing the Beatles go from I wanna hold your hand to sgt pepper. Dirty mind set the prevailing view of quintessential style (different, misunderstood, challenging) 1999 was pure pop genius but with musicianship, purple rain put him on mass appeal (he could hold the world’s attention), sign of the Times was the album were fans and critics had to come together and say “woah, there is no other. He is the artist”. Those imo are the pillars. Weaved in there are the Time albums where he defined an r&b style. Vanity 6 where he took the supremes and turned it on it’s heads. Sheila e where he brought Latin sound to pop (doesn’t get enough credit for that). Then there is Madhouse! Another woah moment. Where other artist have to say “woah” this guy is about to sell jazz!!! Prince to me at that time was everything musical and that’s with Michael Jackson out there. So now compare the period you are referencing. It comes right after that. Prince lovers are expecting their heads to explode. They want a style they have never seen again. They want hits, they want prolific writing (greater than before), they want alter egos and they want to command the world stage with underground hits and surprises. They want Jordan to jump higher and score more points at 40 than at 25. Prince was ok during this era, maybe good, could be seen as very good but he wasn’t directly moving the needle as he did before. It is not really a knock on 89-92 it s a comparison to the elation and growth previously seen.[url] | |
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