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Is there a way to artificially un-reverb this shit? It's such a good song. | |
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. . Wow, then that is amazing to me. In particular, "Katrina's Paper Dolls" has so much range and is so crisp and full bodied. Shocks me that it really came from a cassette tape, even with Grundman's mastering work done on it. Also, since you're well versed in this stuff: When Howe says he is replicating a mix... I don't get that. So they have multi track reels and then a reference cassette as well? So for Don't Let Him Fool Ya, in that tape box pictured is just a studio reel with all the various tracks but they aren't actually collected into a song or what? What are they using to replicate a given mix from? And when this stuff is digitized - would they digitize everything, so a folder on some hard drive would have a file for each stem and then a file for the song mixed? | |
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Wow, then that is amazing to me. In particular, "Katrina's Paper Dolls" has so much range and is so crisp and full bodied. Shocks me that it really came from a cassette tape, even with Grundman's mastering work done on it. Also, since you're well versed in this stuff: When Howe says he is replicating a mix... I don't get that. So they have multi track reels and then a reference cassette as well? So for Don't Let Him Fool Ya, in that tape box pictured is just a studio reel with all the various tracks but they aren't actually collected into a song or what? What are they using to replicate a given mix from? And when this stuff is digitized - would they digitize everything, so a folder on some hard drive would have a file for each stem and then a file for the song mixed? . Noise reduction and audio restoration software are pretty sophisticated these days and can do a lot more magic without severe side effects than 10 or more years ago, so yes, an old cassette can be brought back to life – but of course it still won't sound as good as professional tape can.
* I've uploaded a copy of an average archive log for you onto the third sheet of my Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet (see link in my signature) so you can see what sort of info is usually saved during a tape transfer.* [Edited 11/11/19 9:01am] Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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Wow, then that is amazing to me. In particular, "Katrina's Paper Dolls" has so much range and is so crisp and full bodied. Shocks me that it really came from a cassette tape, even with Grundman's mastering work done on it. Also, since you're well versed in this stuff: When Howe says he is replicating a mix... I don't get that. So they have multi track reels and then a reference cassette as well? So for Don't Let Him Fool Ya, in that tape box pictured is just a studio reel with all the various tracks but they aren't actually collected into a song or what? What are they using to replicate a given mix from? And when this stuff is digitized - would they digitize everything, so a folder on some hard drive would have a file for each stem and then a file for the song mixed? . Noise reduction and audio restoration software are pretty sophisticated these days and can do a lot more magic without severe side effects than 10 or more years ago, so yes, an old cassette can be brought back to life – but of course it still won't sound as good as professional tape can.
* I've uploaded a copy of an average archive log for you onto the third sheet of my Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet (see link in my signature) so you can see what sort of info is usually saved during a tape transfer.* [Edited 11/11/19 9:01am] Whoa - never seen one of these before. Thank you! Really fascinating info. Do we know how recent Prince was using analog reels? I seem to recall that he never actually stopped using them altogether despite also working with primarily digital mediums as well. Like I don't expect there to be reels of Art Official Age but surely he was still working on analog tape in the early to mid 90s and not yet fully on hard drives? | |
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Speaking to what Kares posted above, I came across an interesting interview podcast with Bernie Grundman http://www.thevinylguide....-mastering who, aside from doing a lot of Prince`s WB era mastering work was also charged with preserving Blue note`s archive, and his answer to the best preservation format surprised me. He was asked about various formats , and his preference was for analogue tape! He argued (if I understood correctly) that a lot of digital formats were susceptible to hardware failures, and digital glitches in a way that high quality analogue masters were not. A very interesting interview if you can spare the time and forgive the intrusive commercials | |
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. . What's also important is that no matter which archival technology you use, it'll have to be maintained and checked regularly. I know of several studios who thought it is safe to just back up projects on hard drives and lock them away – only to find out 10 years later, when they pulled out something for remastering, that the HDDs won't even spin up anymore. . Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.
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Kares said:
. . What's also important is that no matter which archival technology you use, it'll have to be maintained and checked regularly. I know of several studios who thought it is safe to just back up projects on hard drives and lock them away – only to find out 10 years later, when they pulled out something for remastering, that the HDDs won't even spin up anymore. . Couldn't the digital formats be uploaded to a cloud and thus made into redundant copies forever? | |
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. Just a quick (out of topic) question for you, Kares. Some people are now using machine learning / deep learning for source separation (i.e. separating a stereo recording into a vocal track, drums track, etc.). Deezer has just released an open source project (Spleeter) that does just that, with pre-trained models. It works relatively well for vocals. Not much for the rest (bass, drums, piano), according to my tests. . With thousands of multitracks / stereo mixdowns pairs, do you think it would be possible to train a model how to mix a multitrack automatically given a reference stereo mixdown? The model could be as simple (i.e. only a balance of the different tracks) or complex (e.g. compressors, reverbs, etc.) as needed. Do you know people working on that? Do you know if there are already software solutions to do that? . Reading/hearing Michael Howe and Niko Bolas talk about the mixing process, I've always thought that, in an ideal world, the mixing process should be as automated as possible. We just know what the result is when you have a human being in the equation (e.g. way too much reverb, etc.). [Edited 11/12/19 5:30am] | |
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The press release only mentions that Sony got the licensing rights for 35 previously released albums.
So i wouldn't be surprised if Sony had to pay extra $$$ to get the Vault rights by 2021 or so.
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as you would often reply...stop making shit up! | |
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really valuable info, thank you. Personally I hope his latter tracks / albums are released next such as Black is the new Black. P&M Paisley shows etc. | |
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and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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. Thanks for your answer. I agree that the mixing process is a creative process. What I had in mind was a very specific/narrow use of that technology to produce a basic mix from a raw multitrack recording and a reference mixdown. That basic mix could later be reworked by a mixing engineer, of course. The use cases I have in mind is the the Prince archive and the work that Michael Howe and Niko Bolas had to do to create "releasable" material, but also our own archive where I work, where we basically have thousands of multitrack recordings and stereo mixes (from live concerts), but not way to mix/remix the multitracks to get the stereo mixes. The mixing process was done live, during the concerts, and we have no way to recreate exactly what was done at that time... (I'm a software engineer, so sorry if I sound a bit out of my element. ) | |
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