BartVanHemelen said:

benni said:

violetcrush said:

I hadn't Heard about Lee Harris being the messenger. When Larry and Prince did a televised interview in 1999 Larry told the story of how they met, and stated he was playing a show in the same city at a smaller venue. Prince, or someone in his camp invited Larry to play at his after show. During his Larry King interview Prince mentioned he was impressed that Larry’s wife was carrying around his guitar pedal in her purse. He said, “now, THAT’S love!”

To add to that, it was Graham or Prince that said Graham and his family used to attend Prince concerts, but would leave when Prince started cussing too much. It was so pretentious and dramatic.

violetcrush said:

I guess it’s possible that Still Would Stand was always about God, but it’s surprising that he made it about a woman when he sang it during the ‘88 after shows. I think he just morphed it into God being the subject. I think Grand Progression was strictly about him finding “heaven on Earth” when being held by his woman “darling it seems I have found the grand progression whenever I’m in your arms...”. And Rock Hard in a Funky Place is just his play on words for rocking hard playing funky music or the more sinister idea of “something else” being “rock hard” in some funky place. I believe Elephants and Flowers was a poem written by Ingrid Chavez.

To specify, I was thinking of the lines

Rockhard = "All you're looking for is love, only reason to believe there's a God above, pretty soon you'll get enough, and head back to your life so tired"
Grand Progression = "If there really is a God, to him I owe my life with you my love"

Elephants And Flowers = "Boy is lonely on a burning hot summer night
He's looking for an angel to hold him 'til the morning light"

So he uses love and God interchangably, but he also seems to conflate love with women. Songs about God/love become songs about women and vice versa. Depending on the mood of the artist

Another example of him using love and God interchangably is the early version of New Power Generation Pt. 2, in the early version, he says "If you're sad and you know it and you think you want to blow it, look up in the sky, God is there" and in the final version he replaced God with love and added the rap from T.C. Ellis.

Strive said:

violetcrush said:

I guess it’s possible that Still Would Stand was always about God, but it’s surprising that he made it about a woman when he sang it during the ‘88 after shows. I think he just morphed it into God being the subject. I think Grand Progression was strictly about him finding “heaven on Earth” when being held by his woman “darling it seems I have found the grand progression whenever I’m in your arms...”. And Rock Hard in a Funky Place is just his play on words for rocking hard playing funky music or the more sinister idea of “something else” being “rock hard” in some funky place. I believe Elephants and Flowers was a poem written by Ingrid Chavez.

To specify, I was thinking of the lines

Rockhard = "All you're looking for is love, only reason to believe there's a God above, pretty soon you'll get enough, and head back to your life so tired"
Grand Progression = "If there really is a God, to him I owe my life with you my love"

Elephants And Flowers = "Boy is lonely on a burning hot summer night
He's looking for an angel to hold him 'til the morning light"

So he uses love and God interchangably, but he also seems to conflate love with women. Songs about God/love become songs about women and vice versa. Depending on the mood of the artist

Another example of him using love and God interchangably is the early version of New Power Generation Pt. 2, in the early version, he says "If you're sad and you know it and you think you want to blow it, look up in the sky, God is there" and in the final version he replaced God with love and added the rap from T.C. Ellis.

I think you are reading too much into Rockhard In a Funky Place....

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Here comes a lady so you cover up
She's a freaked out
Funky electric mama with double cups
You couldn’t cop if you wanted to
Because something near your leg
Is haunting you, such a disgrace
You're rock hard in a funky place, ow!

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You was working on the line
You could drop on her
But you couldn't concentrate
When your dick so hard
Maybe if you cop a nut in the car (Maybe if you cop a nut in the car)
Maybe you could think
About playing guitar

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All you're looking for is love
Or a reason to believe there's a God above
Pretty soon you'll get enough
And head back to a life so tough
I just hate to see an erection go to waste
I'm just-a rock hard in a funky place

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^^^ This is Prince most likely talking about himself (as he was always at nightclubs) and/or referring to just about any single guy at a nightclub back then The bolded lyric that you mentioned is Prince referring to himself or any guy trying to find someone to love at a dark and dingy nightclub, and he's adding the hilarity of him or any guy trying to hide his erection after checking out the "funky electric woman with double cups" walking by. BUT, it's a play on words, so it can also mean Prince walking around the club before going on stage and he sees the "funky electric woman with double cups" who gives him an erection, so he has to "cop a nut" (aka jerk off) in the car so he can think about playing his guitar. Totally funny and blatant song about normal guy stuff.

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The Grand Progression:

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Can it b n this seemingly short space of time
We've lived a year or 2 inside our minds?
Now I want 2 whisper n ur ear
That U're OK

If love were gold then I would b fixed 4 life
If I was a star, then baby, U would b the night
And I want 2 live my whole life thru
Inside of U

Darling, it seems I have found the grand progression
Whenever I'm n ur arms
From July until June, every sun and every moon
Melting inside ur charms

If there really is a God up above
2 Him I owe my life 4 U my love
Now darling, if I died yesterday
It's OK

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^^^ This is a straight-up love song - and a beautiful one at that - one of may favorites. Prince is not interchanging love and God in this song. He is saying he is thankful to God for bringing this woman to him (last bolded verse) and saying if there really is a God up above he owes him his life for bringing this woman to him, and if he died yesterday it would be okay, because he has found "the grand progression" (aka heaven on Earth) being with this woman. This song is actually a great example of Prince still posing questions about his faith in the mid 80's.

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Elephants and Flowers

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Even with this song -where there is definitely a reference to God - I think the term "angel" is referring to a human girl and not a heavenly figure:

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Boy is lonely on a burning hot summer night
He's looking for some action, he's looking 4 a fight
He's looking for a savior in a city full of fools
Maybe he just needs a good talker to give him a good talking to.
Can we talk baby? Strip down, strip down.
I think I'm gonna fall in love tonight.

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Elephants and flowers, hot sweaty light paints a picture red and gold
On a crowd of naked bodies stripped down to their very souls
How can he find a shy angel in a city so bold (so bold)
He can't even find a place to dance, this is rock and roll.
Strip down, strip down, elephants and flowers
Is everybody ready? Here we go.

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Prince is saying he (or someone) is looking for a sweet shy girl to talk to among the sweaty loud naked body rock and roll scene - most likely a night club again.

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The verse below is definitely referring to God, and is Prince saying to "love God", who will be there for you when you are alone and have no one else:

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Love the one who is love, (well) the one who gives us the power, (power)
The one who made everything, (everything) elephants and flowers (oh, yeah)
The one who will listen when all others will not. (all others will not)
There will be peace for those who love god a lot.

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As far as the New Power Generation song goes - I'm sure he probably used the term love to mean God in the revised song. That one was him creating his next "movement" after The Revolution.

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TrivialPursuit said:

violetcrush said:

I hadn't Heard about Lee Harris being the messenger. When Larry and Prince did a televised interview in 1999 Larry told the story of how they met, and stated he was playing a show in the same city at a smaller venue. Prince, or someone in his camp invited Larry to play at his after show. During his Larry King interview Prince mentioned he was impressed that Larry’s wife was carrying around his guitar pedal in her purse. He said, “now, THAT’S love!”

To add to that, it was Graham or Prince that said Graham and his family used to attend Prince concerts, but would leave when Prince started cussing too much. It was so pretentious and dramatic.

watch the uncut video of Prince with flavor flav from webby awards....its incomfortable with all that cussing..u feel bad for Prince

re:violetcrush - I feel like I'm not properly explaining. Let me try again from scratch.

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Idea 1: Prince uses love and God interchangeably in some of his lyrics. This would be songs like Still Would Stand All Time, Strays Of The World, New Power Generation Pt. 2. When you swap out love with God, you can see the true meaning and get a glimpse of how a religion like the JW could appeal to him.

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Idea 2: Prince conflates the concept of God's love with the physical love of a woman. The physical love of a woman is proof of God's love and these women were heaven-sent to ease his woes. This would be songs like Grand Progression, Elephants & Flowers, Rockhard In A Funky Place. Also the Muse/Manuela thread that's running through The Rainbow Children.

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Idea 1 and 2 don't always overlap.

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Obviously Rockhard isn't a song about God or love (it's a joking song about him visiting a whorehouse because he's so horned up he can't think straight - to quote the original Tick Tick Bang that leaked on Work It "I can't concentrate, when I see you, bang bang tick bang, I wanna bang, you want to masturbate, baby girl it ain't the same as the real thing") but it is a song where he says that physical love from a woman is the reason to believe that there's a God above. Same as Grand Progression. Same as Elephants & Flowers. Same as Muse.

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The overlap of idea 1 and idea 2 would be with songs like Still Would Stand All Time and The One.
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Like you mentioned, in a live setting, Still Would Stand All Time was attributed to a woman instead of God. Similar, The One became a song about "respect for the Creator" when anybody listening to it would attribute it to a woman. Who gets credit seems to depend on Prince's mood at the moment.
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For example, the original take of Elephants & Flowers had him saying "no sex, no drugs, no devil here, just good ol' rock n roll" and "don't kiss me, just talk to me". When Elephants & Flowers morphed into the version we know ("strip down", "i think i'm gonna fall in love tonight", and him actively searching for the woman instead of the woman picking him for reasons he didn't understand) and the one he performed live, Still Would Stand All Time also changed when he performed it live. Similar to that, The One was written about (again if you believe her) Mayte and how he would treat his woman right...then when it went into a live setting and his relationship with Mayte was on the rocks, it became about "respect for the Creator" and "following the highest ideal and [...] living up to the goals of The One". Even though he revisited some of those concepts from The One on Man 'O' War (another song clearly about Mayte and one that was written after that interview we're quoting)

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It's all pretty interesting to think about. That's why I'm really excited to hear Bold Generation (the earliest version of New Power Generation) on 1999 Deluxe.

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Strive said:

re:violetcrush - I feel like I'm not properly explaining. Let me try again from scratch.

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Idea 1: Prince uses love and God interchangeably in some of his lyrics. This would be songs like Still Would Stand All Time, Strays Of The World, New Power Generation Pt. 2. When you swap out love with God, you can see the true meaning and get a glimpse of how a religion like the JW could appeal to him.

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Idea 2: Prince conflates the concept of God's love with the physical love of a woman. The physical love of a woman is proof of God's love and these women were heaven-sent to ease his woes. This would be songs like Grand Progression, Elephants & Flowers, Rockhard In A Funky Place. Also the Muse/Manuela thread that's running through The Rainbow Children.

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Idea 1 and 2 don't always overlap.

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Obviously Rockhard isn't a song about God or love (it's a joking song about him visiting a whorehouse because he's so horned up he can't think straight - to quote the original Tick Tick Bang that leaked on Work It "I can't concentrate, when I see you, bang bang tick bang, I wanna bang, you want to masturbate, baby girl it ain't the same as the real thing") but it is a song where he says that physical love from a woman is the reason to believe that there's a God above. Same as Grand Progression. Same as Elephants & Flowers. Same as Muse.

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The overlap of idea 1 and idea 2 would be with songs like Still Would Stand All Time and The One.
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Like you mentioned, in a live setting, Still Would Stand All Time was attributed to a woman instead of God. Similar, The One became a song about "respect for the Creator" when anybody listening to it would attribute it to a woman. Who gets credit seems to depend on Prince's mood at the moment.
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For example, the original take of Elephants & Flowers had him saying "no sex, no drugs, no devil here, just good ol' rock n roll" and "don't kiss me, just talk to me". When Elephants & Flowers morphed into the version we know ("strip down", "i think i'm gonna fall in love tonight", and him actively searching for the woman instead of the woman picking him for reasons he didn't understand) and the one he performed live, Still Would Stand All Time also changed when he performed it live. Similar to that, The One was written about (again if you believe her) Mayte and how he would treat his woman right...then when it went into a live setting and his relationship with Mayte was on the rocks, it became about "respect for the Creator" and "following the highest ideal and [...] living up to the goals of The One". Even though he revisited some of those concepts from The One on Man 'O' War (another song clearly about Mayte and one that was written after that interview we're quoting)

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It's all pretty interesting to think about. That's why I'm really excited to hear Bold Generation (the earliest version of New Power Generation) on 1999 Deluxe.

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I see what you are saying, and yes, he occasionally changed the subject of his songs from female love to love for God. Though I definitely think that songs like Tick Tick Bang and The Grand Progression differ in their meaning in terms of his connection with a woman. TTB is just Prince creaming over a girl that he doesn't know or love, but he wants in a physical way - You're such a bombshell, And if I ever get ya, ever get ya, ever get ya,There's no telling how long I'd last Before I tick, tick bang all over you." TGP is a heartfelt expression of deeper love for a certain woman - it is not Prince just wanting a one night stand. He is saying that being in her arms is the best he's ever felt, and if he died then he would die a happy man - "darling it seems I have found the grand progression whenever I'm in your arms. From July until June, every sun and every moon, melting inside your charms..."

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I think Prince made it pretty easy to distinguish between his more heartfelt love songs vs his raunchier songs about sex/flings with random women

violetcrush said:

You're still talking the whole of the song instead of following specific threads of thought that are weaved throughout. I only brought up TTB because it related to a thread in Rockhard In A Funky Place. The same type of thread can be found in We Can Fuck and a number of other songs where a pretty girl exists by Prince and he gets so horned up that he becomes sex-crazed.

Strive said:

violetcrush said:

You're still talking the whole of the song instead of following specific threads of thought that are weaved throughout. I only brought up TTB because it related to a thread in Rockhard In A Funky Place. The same type of thread can be found in We Can Fuck and a number of other songs where a pretty girl exists by Prince and he gets so horned up that he becomes sex-crazed.

Yes, yes I understand the threads of thought, and I agree with you that the songs you mentioned above are all his scenario of being sex-crazed when a pretty girl comes around. My comment was that you can easily distinguish between those songs and his more heartfelt love songs. They are very different both in tone and lyric.

I think a lot of us are using too many words to describe how Prince always used to try at least to juxtapose lust vs love and...for lack of a better way of putting it...compare the feeling of having an orgasm with a religious experience or sorts. And I could kind of sort of get with that because who doesn't want peace and salvation through love and still totally dig fucking someone they're really in love with?

This was a little bit different than the much more rigid and preachy approach he embraced around the turn of the century and, frankly, even though it might arguably be more mature, it was WAY less fun.

Time was, we were all welcome "Uptown", to embrace DMSR, and embrace the freedom of "Sexuality" but later on (as the writer explains), getting divided into groups during a PP celebration, embracing a theocratic order, being told "this is how it's gonna be" and faced with either becoming Rainbow Children or becoming "Banished Ones" well...

Yeah, OK Prince, you do you but fuck right off with that shit.

And, OK, fine. No more naughty words and you want kids to come to the show. That's cool. Again you do you. But to this day I still get a chuckle about people clutching pearls and getting the vapors over some "naughty" words and never understood the fuss. SUre, I don't want my 8 year old kid listening to Let's Pretend We're Married but that doesn't make it BAD. Just not intended for kids. He can always watch you on the muppet show.

I have a hard time believing that my use of profanity is deeply offending some invisible man in the sky because some people got together and decided that certain words were dirty and evil. Some argue that cursing is childish but I think that acting like using them is shooting poison knives out of your mouth is equally so.

herb4 said:

I think a lot of us are using too many words to describe how Prince always used to try at least to juxtapose lust vs love and...for lack of a better way of putting it...compare the feeling of having an orgasm with a religious experience or sorts. And I could kind of sort of get with that because who doesn't want peace and salvation through love and still totally dig fucking someone they're really in love with?

This was a little bit different than the much more rigid and preachy approach he embraced around the turn of the century and, frankly, even though it might arguably be more mature, it was WAY less fun.

Time was, we were all welcome "Uptown", to embrace DMSR, and embrace the freedom of "Sexuality" but later on (as the writer explains), getting divided into groups during a PP celebration, embracing a theocratic order, being told "this is how it's gonna be" and faced with either becoming Rainbow Children or becoming "Banished Ones" well...

Yeah, OK Prince, you do you but fuck right off with that shit.

And, OK, fine. No more naughty words and you want kids to come to the show. That's cool. Again you do you. But to this day I still get a chuckle about people clutching pearls and getting the vapors over some "naughty" words and never understood the fuss. SUre, I don't want my 8 year old kid listening to Let's Pretend We're Married but that doesn't make it BAD. Just not intended for kids. He can always watch you on the muppet show.

I have a hard time believing that my use of profanity is deeply offending some invisible man in the sky because some people got together and decided that certain words were dirty and evil. Some argue that cursing is childish but I think that acting like using them is shooting poison knives out of your mouth is equally so.

Prince has many songs about love and relationships which are not at all blatant with regard to sexual content. We've got Condition of the Heart, Empty Room, Adore, Forever In My Life, IIWYG, Diamonds & Pearls, TMBGITW - to name just a few. He had a nice balance of the raunchier, straight up sexual songs and the more emotional, deeper love songs.

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I do agree that he really took things to another level with his music once he moved into the JW faith. Comparable to other artists his songs and language were quite tame in the 80's and 90's. I understand him wanting to cut out singing or saying the F-bomb when performing, but he was pulling out any and all curse words. I hated DMSR during that time -"work that body like you want some more"?? Really? And he couldn't sing "what the hell did you come here for"?? Sorry, but "hell" and "whore" really are not that bad.

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I bet he would still let the F-bomb fly when he was alone

herb4 said:

Time was, we were all welcome "Uptown", to embrace DMSR, and embrace the freedom of "Sexuality" but later on (as the writer explains), getting divided into groups during a PP celebration, embracing a theocratic order, being told "this is how it's gonna be" and faced with either becoming Rainbow Children or becoming "Banished Ones" well...

Yeah, OK Prince, you do you but fuck right off with that shit.

Whoa. That happened?!?! What the fuck?

Just for the record, I didn't mention this specific incident but certainly alluded to the general nature of Prince's divisive proselytizing.

TrivialPursuit said:

violetcrush said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Whoa. That happened?!?! What the fuck?

Just for the record, I didn't mention this specific incident but certainly alluded to the general nature of Prince's divisive proselytizing.

Kevin Smith told that story. When Prince asked him to do a film at PP he arrived and found out that Prince wanted him to film his listening party for TRC. At one point Prince came in and started talking his religious schtick. He separated the fans into two groups to show how the ones who follow the Bible (or more specifically the New World Translation) would have the women and live in paradise or whatever. Yikes!! Sounded like a wackadoo week

I was there. That's not what happened at all. They split you into small groups to go to different rooms at Paisley Park to listen to the new/unreleased album, The Rainbow Children. The groups were simply based on size/numbers that the rooms could accomodate.

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After listening to the album, Prince's people (sometimes with Prince) would come around to talk about both the lyrics and the music. It was a Q and A session that delved deeper into the themes of the album. If Prince went to your group, Kevin Smith was filming. Yes, there was some God talk. It was less preachy than Church and about as religious as the cryptic talk on the L4OA website. Actually, Prince mostly listened to people's opinions and reactions.

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Also, keep in mind: for all the talk about "How Prince changed" around this time, The Rainbow Children has some incredibly sexual lyrics.

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I mean, "Wet circles around the toy while U bring Urself 2 joy..." is more (in many ways) graphic than saying "masturbating with a magazine." I cannot imagine JW doctorine or Larry Graham really approving of that.

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skywalker said:

violetcrush said:

skywalker said:

I was there. That's not what happened at all. They split you into small groups to go to different rooms at Paisley Park to listen to the new/unreleased album, The Rainbow Children. The groups were simply based on size/numbers that the rooms could accomodate.

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After listening to the album, Prince's people (sometimes with Prince) would come around to talk about both the lyrics and the music. It was a Q and A session that delved deeper into the themes of the album. If Prince went to your group, Kevin Smith was filming. Yes, there was some God talk. It was less preachy than Church and about as religious as the cryptic talk on the L4OA website. Actually, Prince mostly listened to people's opinions and reactions.

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Also, keep in mind: for all the talk about "How Prince changed" around this time, The Rainbow Children has some incredibly sexual lyrics.

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I mean, "Wet circles around the toy while U bring Urself 2 joy..." is more (in many ways) graphic than saying "masturbating with a magazine." I cannot imagine JW doctorine or Larry Graham really approving of that.

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That is actually how Kevin described the sessions. The detail of Prince splitting people into two groups apparently took place during one of those sessions when Prince was “acting out” his message about following the Bible to maintain order in your life, or something of that nature. * I guess it’s possible that this occurred at a session with Prince that you did not attend? Kevin was there for a week filming everyday.

It's possible. Yet, calling it a "wackadoo" week isn't really what it was. It was less Sunday school, and more geek talk about music, the media, societal issues, etc. There was no kool aid drinking, prayers, nor chanting. Like I said, less churchy/preachy than church. More like: Holy shit! Prince is here chatting with us?!?!

skywalker said:

violetcrush said:

Kevin Smith told that story. When Prince asked him to do a film at PP he arrived and found out that Prince wanted him to film his listening party for TRC. At one point Prince came in and started talking his religious schtick. He separated the fans into two groups to show how the ones who follow the Bible (or more specifically the New World Translation) would have the women and live in paradise or whatever. Yikes!! Sounded like a wackadoo week

I knew about Kevin going in there, but I must have missed that story. How horrible. But, you sorta have to dismiss it. It seems like one of those "he's in the honeymoon phase" moments; he was excited about his new album, and sucking down that JW KoolAid. But shit - to literally divide people up in a room where you want them to get something out of your record - what a shit move on his part. Wish I'd known that before I wrote the article! haha

It wasn't a wackadoo week on anyone's part, except Prince's.

skywalker said:

violetcrush said:

skywalker said: That is actually how Kevin described the sessions. The detail of Prince splitting people into two groups apparently took place during one of those sessions when Prince was “acting out” his message about following the Bible to maintain order in your life, or something of that nature. * I guess it’s possible that this occurred at a session with Prince that you did not attend? Kevin was there for a week filming everyday.

It's possible. Yet, calling it a "wackadoo" week isn't really what it was. It was less Sunday school, and more geek talk about music, the media, societal issues, etc. There was no kool aid drinking, prayers, nor chanting. Like I said, less churchy/preachy than church. More like: Holy shit! Prince is here chatting with us?!?!

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Nice to hear about the overall tone of the week from skywalker who was actually there and who says 'a wackadoo week isnt really what what it was' - describing that it was less than Sunday school rather more talking about media, society, music and that Prince was mostly listening. Prince in his interviews seemed to treat all people with at least an initial basic level of respect - I kind of doubt he used words like 'banished ones' or wanted to give that imprint to 'fams' that he graciously invited into his home/ place of work Paisley Park - whether or not they felt they had been banished or that the week was wackadoo I guess we would have to hear from them directly. I guess if one was not in that specific room opinions about it (including my own) are all a bit subjective.

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(Off topic: I heard about that week at the time and then KS's story and remember someone reported later that Prince had been annoyed (understandably imho) about the way Kevin Smith (who was a big fan) had 'publicly' kinda trashed him a little bit giving his view that P had not/should have explicitly thanked Smith at the end of the week (Smith was leaving the building but P apparently was doing some work in a studio) and for then publicly telling a long somewhat piss take story about his experience at PP. Smith later gave a online eulogy show after Prince passed on where he does nevertheless express regret that he didnt circle back at a later date and how he felt bad about telling that story and even teared up recalling how Prince had been friendly to him and his family - of course all thats a different topic/discussion already covered on org)

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mk456 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

onlyforaminute said:

3rd Eye 1996 Using a special code he accessed his mind In search of the reason why In passion and fashion he began travelin' time 3rd eye, 3rd eye, 3rd eye The serpent approves Then appears between Adam's thighs And he tries 2 release upon Eve the nectar The injector tries He tries, he tries, he tries So abduction complete All stand on their feet Look at one another and cry What have we done? Could this be the fun On the dotted line 4 which I did sign? Oh yeah I resign from the notion Cuz yours was the potion That I'm supposed 2 die 4 I resign In self-pity so dark This shitty and stark Realization is all that will soothe Ultimately the only one That can save U is U Your God is inside and 4 that God U will do Whatever it takes If nothing else is true The only one that can save U is U, yeah As simplistic as it is that last verse has alway intrigued me. I think it sums up his thinking

no one realizes Prince and the hollywood community and the mafia and the government HAVE the comptuer program to access your thoughts..this is what he is refering to

jfenster said:

BartVanHemelen said:

violetcrush said:

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The person to "blame" is Lee Harris, a fan who mentioned Larry Graham being in the vicinity of a Prince concert on L4OA, which caused the two to meet.

Yeah, no. That is an inside joke from the days of Alt Music Prince.

The person to "blame" is Sinbad - who was on tour in the same city, with Larry Graham opening for him. Sinbad and Prince had been friends for years. Sinbad also discussed this himself.

Lee just tried to write himself into the story, which is simply false.

LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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The person to "blame" is Lee Harris, a fan who mentioned Larry Graham being in the vicinity of a Prince concert on L4OA, which caused the two to meet.

Yeah, no. That is an inside joke from the days of Alt Music Prince.

The person to "blame" is Sinbad - who was on tour in the same city, with Larry Graham opening for him. Sinbad and Prince had been friends for years. Sinbad also discussed this himself.

Lee just tried to write himself into the story, which is simply false.

OMG I REMEMBER THIS! The Lee Harris story is a lie.

You are right about Sinbad though, because didn't Sinbad used to organize and host funk festivals with Graham on the roster quite a bit?

Unrelated tale: I seem to remember one alt. person who went by JoeyCoco tried to hijack and steal a VHS tape on a tour during one of the first Celebrations. He was dating some other alt. chick (who typed like a 3 year old and refused to ever correct it) and she may have been with him at the time.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

onlyforaminute said:

jfenster said:

no one realizes Prince and the hollywood community and the mafia and the government HAVE the comptuer program to access your thoughts..this is what he is refering to

I know you're being funny and that's cool and all but i was addressing how long the idea of 3rd eye had been on his mind and some of his concrete spiritual concepts while he was in the middle of his whole JW transition, this wasn't something new he picked up later in life.

im not being funny