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Reply #30 posted 09/27/19 4:22pm

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I would cut


Train

Crystal Ball
The Ball
rebirth of the flesh
Goodlove
All My Dreams
Dream Factory
Movie Star
Whitness
last Heart
RockHard in a Funky Place

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Reply #31 posted 09/27/19 8:29pm

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FunkJam said:

Well, yeah, I know it will be unpopular, but it's all subjective in the end, so what the hell?


I guess "Adore" is just so soppy, in both music and lyrics. Always hard to get into stuff like that. And "IIWYGF," it's just that voice. Can't really explain it. But the music paired with it is perhaps what really does it in, especially the slap bass. If it were set to some orchestral backing with rich strings or something (as odd as that may sound on paper), I imagine it wouldn't grate nearly so much.

TBF, "IGBABN" has some merit and wouldn't really get in the way as a closing track, so why not throw it in there too?!

So ridiculous.


So you just don't like ballads in general or the Camille voice? Is that it?

Zero
"soppy" love songs on this planet do it for you? Does that sound healthy? Embrace the spectrum of human emotion.

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Reply #32 posted 09/27/19 8:34pm

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FunkJam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

So do you like the Camille voice? Would U like IIWYGF if it was in a regular Prince voice?

Well, I don't mind that voice at all on cuts like "Shockadelica," but yeah I think it is a good part of the reason IIWYGF grates so much!

Man, and that's the worst Camille track, too.
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Honestly though IIWYGF is the only Camille track where that particular androgynous vocal effect actually enhances/complexes the delivery/point of the song itself... whereas in all the other songs it's just a cool effect. IIWYGF it adds another layer of complexity to the track, the song would be flaccid without it.

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Reply #33 posted 09/27/19 8:44pm

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What's next, Purple Rain re-imagined as a single-disc EP? Hmmm yeah if you just cut "Let's Go Crazy", "Computer Blue", "The Beautiful Ones" and "When Doves Cry"--Stop it. Stop the madness.

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Reply #34 posted 09/28/19 4:24am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I would cut


Train

Crystal Ball
The Ball
rebirth of the flesh
Goodlove
All My Dreams
Dream Factory
Movie Star
Whitness
last Heart
RockHard in a Funky Place

SMORT! geek lol

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Reply #35 posted 09/28/19 4:41am

FunkJam

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WhisperingDandelions said:

Zero "soppy" love songs on this planet do it for you? Does that sound healthy? Embrace the spectrum of human emotion.

Honestly though IIWYGF is the only Camille track where that particular androgynous vocal effect actually enhances/complexes the delivery/point of the song itself... whereas in all the other songs it's just a cool effect. IIWYGF it adds another layer of complexity to the track, the song would be flaccid without it.

What's next, Purple Rain re-imagined as a single-disc EP? Hmmm yeah if you just cut "Let's Go Crazy", "Computer Blue", "The Beautiful Ones" and "When Doves Cry"--Stop it. Stop the madness.


I didn't get chance to answer the question Lol. There are SOME songs like that I enjoy, sure. Love "The Arms of Orion," for example.

Ya, I get that the Camille voice is a clever device in the song. Just can't stand to listen to it. shrug


And you forgot to cut Take Me With You, Darling Nikki, IWDFY, Baby I'm a Star, and Purple Rain!
lol
But, for real, that album is pretty well flawless top to bottom!

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Reply #36 posted 09/28/19 6:33am

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WhisperingDandelions said:

What's next, Purple Rain re-imagined as a single-disc EP? Hmmm yeah if you just cut "Let's Go Crazy", "Computer Blue", "The Beautiful Ones" and "When Doves Cry"--Stop it. Stop the madness.

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It is in the same area as the Politically Correct crowd that wants us to rewrite history because it is not 'inclusive' enough. As if that changes hostory and if that changes the situation now with the inclusivity nonsense.

Why do I have to endure burqa-types and asocials galore but vannot say that I do not like those people? (I cannot legally say that I want 'minder marokkanen' in the Netherlands, at least that case is pending and my name is not Geert)

Same here for people that want to revise art.

If you do not enjoy the art, then find other art.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #37 posted 09/28/19 6:46am

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Great idea.

The Mona Lisa is a classic for a reason, but honestly around half of it just drags the thing down, IMO.

If the painting were as below (though not necessarily in that order), it would be fine:

https://www.artble.com/im...649606.jpg

https://www.artble.com/im...677636.jpg

https://www.artble.com/im...501450.jpg

It's not that some of the other bits are really bad, they are just kind of dull, especially the background. But the hands are among the worst of Leonardo! They are pretty darn popular from what I gather though.




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Reply #38 posted 09/28/19 6:52am

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hmph!

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Reply #39 posted 09/28/19 6:57am

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udo said:

It is in the same area as the Politically Correct crowd that wants us to rewrite history because it is not 'inclusive' enough. As if that changes hostory and if that changes the situation now with the inclusivity nonsense.

Why do I have to endure burqa-types and asocials galore but vannot say that I do not like those people? (I cannot legally say that I want 'minder marokkanen' in the Netherlands, at least that case is pending and my name is not Geert)

Same here for people that want to revise art.

If you do not enjoy the art, then find other art.

Aren't you taking this just a tad too seriously?

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Reply #40 posted 09/28/19 6:58am

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langebleu said:

Great idea.

The Mona Lisa is a classic for a reason, but honestly around half of it just drags the thing down, IMO.

If the painting were as below (though not necessarily in that order), it would be fine:

https://www.artble.com/im...649606.jpg

https://www.artble.com/im...677636.jpg

https://www.artble.com/im...501450.jpg

It's not that some of the other bits are really bad, they are just kind of dull, especially the background. But the hands are among the worst of Leonardo! They are pretty darn popular from what I gather though.

What do you think? And what would you cut?

lol lol

A good number of people who see Ms. Lisa in person say she's heavily overrated!

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Reply #41 posted 09/28/19 7:06am

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^ When I visited Paris last year, I didn't get too good a look to form an opinion. Unfortunately it was surrounded by people with their backs to the painting, attempting to get a selfie of themselves and the painting.

As for SOTT, like you say, it's a classic for reason - the reason is ... it has all of the tracks, and in the order that they appear.

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Reply #42 posted 09/28/19 7:50am

OnlyNDaUsa

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FunkJam said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I would cut


Train

Crystal Ball
The Ball
rebirth of the flesh
Goodlove
All My Dreams
Dream Factory
Movie Star
Whitness
last Heart
RockHard in a Funky Place

SMORT! geek lol

someone had to do it!

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Reply #43 posted 09/28/19 2:50pm

christobole

FunkJam said:

langebleu said:

Great idea.

The Mona Lisa is a classic for a reason, but honestly around half of it just drags the thing down, IMO.

If the painting were as below (though not necessarily in that order), it would be fine:

https://www.artble.com/im...649606.jpg

https://www.artble.com/im...677636.jpg

https://www.artble.com/im...501450.jpg

It's not that some of the other bits are really bad, they are just kind of dull, especially the background. But the hands are among the worst of Leonardo! They are pretty darn popular from what I gather though.

What do you think? And what would you cut?

lol lol

A good number of people who see Ms. Lisa in person say she's heavily overrated!

"Overrated" - so there's a rating system, that separates the good from the bad art by quantifiable points? How are these people qualified to make such assessments? If anything, it's art, that escapes quantification, unlike, let's say athletics or oven temperature. What troubles me is people, who clealry don't have a connection to art, making uneducated judgments about it and suggesting editing artworks themselves.

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Reply #44 posted 09/28/19 3:34pm

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U have zero business being here

If u don’t like Adore then u r not a fan of music in general.

Oops, out of time!
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Reply #45 posted 09/30/19 12:21am

Wolfie87

What do you think of BAD by MJ from the same year? And I only want your input on this FunkJam
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Reply #46 posted 09/30/19 11:21am

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i reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally hate trolls

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Reply #47 posted 09/30/19 4:12pm

FunkJam

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christobole said:

"Overrated" - so there's a rating system, that separates the good from the bad art by quantifiable points? How are these people qualified to make such assessments? If anything, it's art, that escapes quantification, unlike, let's say athletics or oven temperature. What troubles me is people, who clealry don't have a connection to art, making uneducated judgments about it and suggesting editing artworks themselves.

I don't think people generally use that word with objectivity in mind, no.

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Reply #48 posted 09/30/19 4:17pm

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Wolfie87 said:

What do you think of BAD by MJ from the same year? And I only want your input on this FunkJam [Edited 9/30/19 0:22am]

Pretty solid throughout. The only song I wouldn't really object to being cut is "I Just Can't Stop Loving You". Bad is the best, most consistent MJ album, IMO. Thriller has THE classic songs, but it suffers from some duff numbers and a weak closing track. Should have ended that album with the title track.

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Reply #49 posted 10/03/19 9:49am

Wolfie87

FunkJam said:



Wolfie87 said:


What do you think of BAD by MJ from the same year? And I only want your input on this FunkJam [Edited 9/30/19 0:22am]

Pretty solid throughout. The only song I wouldn't really object to being cut is "I Just Can't Stop Loving You". Bad is the best, most consistent MJ album, IMO. Thriller has THE classic songs, but it suffers from some duff numbers and a weak closing track. Should have ended that album with the title track.



So your opinion is invalid by this point. Thank you. This was a trick question. If you think BAD is a consistent album and S☮️TT is cleaved in twain, well that's three strikes and you're outta here! BAD is horribly dated.
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Reply #50 posted 10/04/19 2:39am

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VaultCurator said:

Just kidding. I respect your opinion



I don’t. He shouldn’t “get out” but should gtfo

And you say I’M the one who should be on a ledge?? lol
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Reply #51 posted 10/04/19 9:50am

Zannaloaf

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OK, so I think my taste when it comes to Prince is a bit unusual, but we'll see.

SoTT is a classic for a reason, but honestly around half of it just drags the thing down, IMO.
If the tracklist were as below (though not necessarily in that order), the album would be fine from front to back:

SoTT
Play in the Sunshine
The Ballad of Dorothy Parker
It
Starfish and Coffee
U Got the Look
The Cross


It's not that some of the other songs are really bad, they are just kind of dull and/or go on too long, especially "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night". But "Adore" and "If I Was Your Girlfriend" are among the worst of Prince! They are pretty darn popular from what I gather though.

What do you think? And what would you cut?

your opinion. But it's wrong lol

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Reply #52 posted 10/04/19 10:02am

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Wolfie87 said:

FunkJam said:



Wolfie87 said:


What do you think of BAD by MJ from the same year? And I only want your input on this FunkJam [Edited 9/30/19 0:22am]

Pretty solid throughout. The only song I wouldn't really object to being cut is "I Just Can't Stop Loving You". Bad is the best, most consistent MJ album, IMO. Thriller has THE classic songs, but it suffers from some duff numbers and a weak closing track. Should have ended that album with the title track.



So your opinion is invalid by this point. Thank you. This was a trick question. If you think BAD is a consistent album and S☮️TT is cleaved in twain, well that's three strikes and you're outta here! BAD is horribly dated.


Invalid! lol But, yes, I highly suspected it was a “trick” question. Bad sounds very much of the ‘80s, and some things are only good for their time, but “horribly dated”? I don’t see it, or rather, hear it!
So I prefer Bad as a whole, but artistically SOTT is above it, no doubt! Just like Purple Rain is far better as art than Thriller, but it’s a superior listen too!
[Edited 10/4/19 10:04am]
[Edited 10/4/19 10:09am]
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Reply #53 posted 10/04/19 11:22am

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SOTT is my favorite album, among any artist. I love the music, the imagery, the movie.

Having said that, I always felt that It's Gonna B A Beautiful Night did not belong on the album. Seeing what great tracks were removed to go from 3 discs to 2, it's hard to not imagine Rebirth Of The Flesh, Good Love, Dream Factory, or Crystal Ball on there instead.

I think Prince was going for the widest array of music on one album as possible, perhaps that's why he felt a "live" track was needed.

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Reply #54 posted 10/04/19 11:26am

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This is a cursed post.
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Reply #55 posted 10/06/19 8:35am

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This is a cursed post.

Prince is up there shaking his head confused
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Wondering if the OP knows the history, and the fact that Prince had grandiose plans for a triple album which WB forced him to reduce to a double? He had to pick and choose what songs remained which I’m sure was extremely difficult.
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That being said, SOTT was/is a fantastic album - each song a chapter in the “book” that he was writing about his life at that time. Prince always said he preferred albums over singles, because they “tell the story”. It was his personal story, so we may not understand why he chose certain songs over others, but we can just enjoy the music and try to understand his story or just apply some of it to our own lives.
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Reply #56 posted 10/06/19 12:27pm

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violetcrush said:

Wondering if the OP knows the history, and the fact that Prince had grandiose plans for a triple album which WB forced him to reduce to a double? He had to pick and choose what songs remained which I’m sure was extremely difficult.


Yep, I’ve read the history, chiefly in the book Prince: The First Decade, I think, and I will say again that SOTT is indeed quite a work of art, greater than MJ’s Bad of the same year, despite the fact I prefer to listen to the latter as a whole.
Given how highly regarded SOTT is, I was really quite interested to see how many others felt as I do about it, which is no-one, apparently. lol
And some people see something the slightest bit controversial and shout “TROLL”. How unfortunate.
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Reply #57 posted 10/06/19 12:46pm

violetcrush

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violetcrush said:
Wondering if the OP knows the history, and the fact that Prince had grandiose plans for a triple album which WB forced him to reduce to a double? He had to pick and choose what songs remained which I’m sure was extremely difficult.
Yep, I’ve read the history, chiefly in the book Prince: The First Decade, I think, and I will say again that SOTT is indeed quite a work of art, greater than MJ’s Bad of the same year, despite the fact I prefer to listen to the latter as a whole. Given how highly regarded SOTT is, I was really quite interested to see how many others felt as I do about it, which is no-one, apparently. lol And some people see something the slightest bit controversial and shout “TROLL”. How unfortunate.

Well good on ya for having enough guts to put your thoughts out there!! biggrin It can be a vicious and crazy place - this "Org" world confused I've experienced it first-hand. Don't let it deter you!!

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Reply #58 posted 10/06/19 2:28pm

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violetcrush said:



FunkJam said:


violetcrush said:
Wondering if the OP knows the history, and the fact that Prince had grandiose plans for a triple album which WB forced him to reduce to a double? He had to pick and choose what songs remained which I’m sure was extremely difficult.

Yep, I’ve read the history, chiefly in the book Prince: The First Decade, I think, and I will say again that SOTT is indeed quite a work of art, greater than MJ’s Bad of the same year, despite the fact I prefer to listen to the latter as a whole. Given how highly regarded SOTT is, I was really quite interested to see how many others felt as I do about it, which is no-one, apparently. lol And some people see something the slightest bit controversial and shout “TROLL”. How unfortunate.


Well good on ya for having enough guts to put your thoughts out there!! biggrin It can be a vicious and crazy place - this "Org" world confused I've experienced it first-hand. Don't let it deter you!!


Oh, forgot to mention - it seems you are a younger fan since you mentioned you became familiar with the SOTT time period via the Biography. Some of the older fans here who were around during that time tend to get impatient with younger folks who are giving opinions or asking questions. I am an older fan, but not one to go on the “attack”. SOTT was pretty big back then and well received, although U2’s Joshua Tree beat out Prince for best album.
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Reply #59 posted 10/06/19 4:50pm

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Well good on ya for having enough guts to put your thoughts out there!! biggrin It can be a vicious and crazy place - this "Org" world confused I've experienced it first-hand. Don't let it deter you!!

Oh, forgot to mention - it seems you are a younger fan since you mentioned you became familiar with the SOTT time period via the Biography. Some of the older fans here who were around during that time tend to get impatient with younger folks who are giving opinions or asking questions. I am an older fan, but not one to go on the “attack”. SOTT was pretty big back then and well received, although U2’s Joshua Tree beat out Prince for best album.


Well, thanks! And, yeah, certainly a youngER fan, though longtime at this point: since October/November 2004!

1987 was quite a year in music: Prince, MJ, U2, and then there was Terence Trent D’Arby’s Introducing the Hardline!
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