Militant said:

Madhouse6 said:

The video is alsoready to go but is not being released for whatever reason.

Two possible reasons:

1) It's been shown repeatedly at Celebration. Both 2017 and 2018, but not 2019. I saw a large chunk of it in 2018. So, maybe Paisley Park want to keep it to only be shown there or have an agreement for that.

2) It's heartbreaking to watch. I suspect even more so than when it happened. The pro-shot close up videos make it damn obvious how frail he was. His eyes were glazed in parts. There was just no light left in him, except for the odd moments when the spark came back as he reminisced on certain songs.

Musically, it's brilliant to hear. Watching it is tough, much like the Michael Jackson "This Is It" film, which was heavily edited to try and hide the fact that he was gaunt.

It was difficult for me to read this, but thank you.

He seemed to be very ill.

I also noticed in the still photos of him at the 2015 American Music Awards that his eyes seemed to be

lacking life as well.

It pains me that he went through this mostly alone.

Madhouse6 said:

The Paisley Park gigs were mixed the next days - I was on a studio tour and saw them being done so they are ready for sure and sounded awesome. The video is alsoready to go but is not being released for whatever reason. These are the ones that should be released as where more personal than any of the shows that followed. I spoke to Jon Bream after the show sad I was so blown away by Prince discussing his life - he felt the same and wondered if the rest of the tour would be so personal, neither of us thought they would be and listening to the boots they werent

The videorecording is referenced by dan Piepenbring in his recent New Yorker article:

In a recording of the concert, which I watched a year later, Prince shared some of his earliest musical memories with the audience. His mother, Mattie Della Shaw Baker, was a jazz singer; his father, John Lewis Nelson, who went by Prince Rogers, was a musician and a songwriter. “I thought I would never be able to play like my dad, and he never missed an opportunity to remind me of that,” Prince said. “But we got along good. He was my best friend.”

EnDoRpHn said:

Sadly....we will never see an official release of P&M 2016. The Estate is really jacked up and IMO don't know what's best for business. Casual fans already have the Purple Rains, 1999's, Best of collections, so there isn't a market for them... "real" fans want deluxe editions of Parade, SOTT and remaster versions of all his albums.... die hard fans want everything vault related, live recordings, videos, concerts, etc... We are getting further and further away from Prince's passing and in this business, if you not heard or seen...your forgotten. That's what is exactly happening to Prince right now.

I have always said, once the Estate gets the music "digitized", return the digitized music back to the vault, relaunch the NPGMC again, stream ALL that shit, let fans pick what they want run an Sirus/XM Prince channel live from the vault. Let the Sonys and WBs handle the commercial releases, box sets, etc...

Now maybe the moderators who know a something about everything Prince related can answer me this question: Who really owns what's in the vault? I know there are disputes, lawsuits etc.. For example there's a recording of "Wally" in the vault, though never given to WB to be released. Do they own that? If so how? That would go for everything that was in the vault. I know the estate wanted to to sell those to Universal, but they retracted.

Strive said:

It's even crazier because, in the police photos, you could clearly see a USB stick marked "ATLANTA" on his nightstand in the green room he was using as a bedroom.

It's complete and ready for release. All they have to do is let it fly.

You have a link to this police photo?

macaylasdad said:

Sadly....we will never see an official release of P&M 2016. The Estate is really jacked up and IMO don't know what's best for business. Casual fans already have the Purple Rains, 1999's, Best of collections, so there isn't a market for them... "real" fans want deluxe editions of Parade, SOTT and remaster versions of all his albums.... die hard fans want everything vault related, live recordings, videos, concerts, etc... We are getting further and further away from Prince's passing and in this business, if you not heard or seen...your forgotten. That's what is exactly happening to Prince right now.

I have always said, once the Estate gets the music "digitized", return the digitized music back to the vault, relaunch the NPGMC again, stream ALL that shit, let fans pick what they want run an Sirus/XM Prince channel live from the vault. Let the Sonys and WBs handle the commercial releases, box sets, etc...

Now maybe the moderators who know a something about everything Prince related can answer me this question: Who really owns what's in the vault? I know there are disputes, lawsuits etc.. For example there's a recording of "Wally" in the vault, though never given to WB to be released. Do they own that? If so how? That would go for everything that was in the vault. I know the estate wanted to to sell those to Universal, but they retracted.

Just when you wrote that on 9/3/19....

BAM!

Prince Classic, 1999, Reissues In Remastered 5 CD/DVD, 10 LP/DVD Boxes - Release: November 29

CynicKill said:

And remember Prince professionally recorded all his shows so...

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He didn't.

I am horrified Prince's wishes have been ignored.

He said this was his next release so his wishes should be honoured.

However it makes sense to get out of the way these distracting re-issues.

Even today three re-issues have been forgotten due to the 1999 deluxe press release - there is too much noise and frenzy!

We need a quiet period and then the announcement for this release.

This release needs to be a priority with no other Estate, WB, Sony noise causing a distraction.

at least it appears they r capable of releasing more than one thing per year...so there is hope

BartVanHemelen said:

macaylasdad said:

Sadly....we will never see an official release of P&M 2016. The Estate is really jacked up and IMO don't know what's best for business. Casual fans already have the Purple Rains, 1999's, Best of collections, so there isn't a market for them... "real" fans want deluxe editions of Parade, SOTT and remaster versions of all his albums.... die hard fans want everything vault related, live recordings, videos, concerts, etc... We are getting further and further away from Prince's passing and in this business, if you not heard or seen...your forgotten. That's what is exactly happening to Prince right now.

I have always said, once the Estate gets the music "digitized", return the digitized music back to the vault, relaunch the NPGMC again, stream ALL that shit, let fans pick what they want run an Sirus/XM Prince channel live from the vault. Let the Sonys and WBs handle the commercial releases, box sets, etc...

Now maybe the moderators who know a something about everything Prince related can answer me this question: Who really owns what's in the vault? I know there are disputes, lawsuits etc.. For example there's a recording of "Wally" in the vault, though never given to WB to be released. Do they own that? If so how? That would go for everything that was in the vault. I know the estate wanted to to sell those to Universal, but they retracted.

What's your evidence for that?

Militant said:

Militant said:

Astasheiks said:

macaylasdad said:

Sadly....we will never see an official release of P&M 2016. The Estate is really jacked up and IMO don't know what's best for business. Casual fans already have the Purple Rains, 1999's, Best of collections, so there isn't a market for them... "real" fans want deluxe editions of Parade, SOTT and remaster versions of all his albums.... die hard fans want everything vault related, live recordings, videos, concerts, etc... We are getting further and further away from Prince's passing and in this business, if you not heard or seen...your forgotten. That's what is exactly happening to Prince right now.

I have always said, once the Estate gets the music "digitized", return the digitized music back to the vault, relaunch the NPGMC again, stream ALL that shit, let fans pick what they want run an Sirus/XM Prince channel live from the vault. Let the Sonys and WBs handle the commercial releases, box sets, etc...

Now maybe the moderators who know a something about everything Prince related can answer me this question: Who really owns what's in the vault? I know there are disputes, lawsuits etc.. For example there's a recording of "Wally" in the vault, though never given to WB to be released. Do they own that? If so how? That would go for everything that was in the vault. I know the estate wanted to to sell those to Universal, but they retracted.

Just when you wrote that on 9/3/19....

BAM!

Prince Classic, 1999, Reissues In Remastered 5 CD/DVD, 10 LP/DVD Boxes - Release: November 29

Yep... facts live on...if you stalk my page some more...you probably will see it again...

darkroman said:

I am horrified Prince's wishes have been ignored.

He said this was his next release so his wishes should be honoured.

However it makes sense to get out of the way these distracting re-issues.

Even today three re-issues have been forgotten due to the 1999 deluxe press release - there is too much noise and frenzy!

We need a quiet period and then the announcement for this release.

This release needs to be a priority with no other Estate, WB, Sony noise causing a distraction.

what were Prince's wishes? He didn't have a will so what he said, thought, belived have no bearing on what's going on now.

leecaldon said:

macaylasdad said:

Sadly....we will never see an official release of P&M 2016. The Estate is really jacked up and IMO don't know what's best for business. Casual fans already have the Purple Rains, 1999's, Best of collections, so there isn't a market for them... "real" fans want deluxe editions of Parade, SOTT and remaster versions of all his albums.... die hard fans want everything vault related, live recordings, videos, concerts, etc... We are getting further and further away from Prince's passing and in this business, if you not heard or seen...your forgotten. That's what is exactly happening to Prince right now.

I have always said, once the Estate gets the music "digitized", return the digitized music back to the vault, relaunch the NPGMC again, stream ALL that shit, let fans pick what they want run an Sirus/XM Prince channel live from the vault. Let the Sonys and WBs handle the commercial releases, box sets, etc...

Now maybe the moderators who know a something about everything Prince related can answer me this question: Who really owns what's in the vault? I know there are disputes, lawsuits etc.. For example there's a recording of "Wally" in the vault, though never given to WB to be released. Do they own that? If so how? That would go for everything that was in the vault. I know the estate wanted to to sell those to Universal, but they retracted.

What's your evidence for that?

I have about as much evidence as you have for one being released. Realistically if the public was given a choice of a deluxe 1999 edition or P&M 2016, what do you think they would want? Listen I am a 32 year Prince fan and I would LOVE a P&M 2016 release, so many great performances, but the reality is the Estate and record companies want money and guarantees and I don't see P&M a big seller.

macaylasdad said:

Militant said:

Madhouse6 said:

The video is alsoready to go but is not being released for whatever reason.

Two possible reasons:

1) It's been shown repeatedly at Celebration. Both 2017 and 2018, but not 2019. I saw a large chunk of it in 2018. So, maybe Paisley Park want to keep it to only be shown there or have an agreement for that.

2) It's heartbreaking to watch. I suspect even more so than when it happened. The pro-shot close up videos make it damn obvious how frail he was. His eyes were glazed in parts. There was just no light left in him, except for the odd moments when the spark came back as he reminisced on certain songs.

Musically, it's brilliant to hear. Watching it is tough, much like the Michael Jackson "This Is It" film, which was heavily edited to try and hide the fact that he was gaunt.

I was at Celebration 2018 and I remember watching that video. He looked skinnier but I did not really realize he looked gaunt. Your recollection may be better than mine though. However, to appear so fragile but sing so well...amazing isn't.

JoeyCococo said:

macaylasdad said:

leecaldon said:

What's your evidence for that?

I have about as much evidence as you have for one being released. Realistically if the public was given a choice of a deluxe 1999 edition or P&M 2016, what do you think they would want? Listen I am a 32 year Prince fan and I would LOVE a P&M 2016 release, so many great performances, but the reality is the Estate and record companies want money and guarantees and I don't see P&M a big seller.

Ok, so you're just voicing an opinion. P&M 1983 has been released, and that was never going to have massive mainstream appeal. We also don't know what kind of release strategy they have planned in the long term. The question doesn't need to be this or that release - it can be this AND that release. So I wouldn't rule anything out.

I don't mind how they plan to release either one of the shows or all

* release on CDs, DVDs & Blu rays

* stream all P&M shows somewhere online

* exclusively at PPAD for screenings or listening parties

* release Gala shows in movie theaters

I am hoping they make an announcement sometime next year or by 2026.

In the meantime others will continue to listen to P&M bootlegs

RODSERLING said:

leecaldon said:

macaylasdad said:

I have about as much evidence as you have for one being released. Realistically if the public was given a choice of a deluxe 1999 edition or P&M 2016, what do you think they would want? Listen I am a 32 year Prince fan and I would LOVE a P&M 2016 release, so many great performances, but the reality is the Estate and record companies want money and guarantees and I don't see P&M a big seller.

Ok, so you're just voicing an opinion. P&M 1983 has been released, and that was never going to have massive mainstream appeal. We also don't know what kind of release strategy they have planned in the long term. The question doesn't need to be this or that release - it can be this AND that release. So I wouldn't rule anything out.

for selfish reasons, as I am a day closer to a foot in the grave I would myself would like to see things released, such as P&M 2016. P&M 1983 has been circulated for many years before and made absolutely no sense to release. Now 1999 deluxe is a release I look forward to, but why didn't Purple Rain get this type of treatment?

macaylasdad said:

leecaldon said:

Ok, so you're just voicing an opinion. P&M 1983 has been released, and that was never going to have massive mainstream appeal. We also don't know what kind of release strategy they have planned in the long term. The question doesn't need to be this or that release - it can be this AND that release. So I wouldn't rule anything out.

for selfish reasons, as I am a day closer to a foot in the grave I would myself would like to see things released, such as P&M 2016. P&M 1983 has been circulated for many years before and made absolutely no sense to release. Now 1999 deluxe is a release I look forward to, but why didn't Purple Rain get this type of treatment?

From what I gather on here, Warner wanted to get PR deluxe out quickly, and the unreleased track may not have come directly from the vault (but may be what they already had). It wouldn't be surprising if there was another PR release a couple of years down the road.

OperatingThetan said:

Madhouse6 said:

OperatingThetan said:

That's very sad to read. I last saw him live in Birmingham on May 19, 2014, following attending Shepherd's Bush and the Electric Ballroom and he looked great. It's obvious how much he'd declined in the short duration between mid-2014 to late 2015. Clearly, something major happened during those months. My last memories of Prince are of him shadow-boxing on stage with 3RDEYEGIRL and looking genuinely renewed - so vital, youthful, energetic and alive. Am I correct in recalling you felt something was 'off' with Prince at his Londom Autism Rocks gig in 2015? * [Edited 9/15/19 16:02pm]

I was at Autism Rocks gig in Koko and to me he seemed fine and romped his way through the gig, and the then flies to Dubai to do it all again. It’s some point after this his Healy went downhill really fast and therefore something that was different from just the pain i’d Say as he was self administrating for quite a while and knew how to handle that

I'd heard from a couple of people at that gig that they were concerned for his health.

[Edited 9/29/19 17:06pm]

W.r.t. P&M2016: the Estate missed the boat and missed the b00t.

The real window of opportunity has gone.

OperatingThetan said:

Militant said:

Two possible reasons:

1) It's been shown repeatedly at Celebration. Both 2017 and 2018, but not 2019. I saw a large chunk of it in 2018. So, maybe Paisley Park want to keep it to only be shown there or have an agreement for that.

2) It's heartbreaking to watch. I suspect even more so than when it happened. The pro-shot close up videos make it damn obvious how frail he was. His eyes were glazed in parts. There was just no light left in him, except for the odd moments when the spark came back as he reminisced on certain songs.

Musically, it's brilliant to hear. Watching it is tough, much like the Michael Jackson "This Is It" film, which was heavily edited to try and hide the fact that he was gaunt.

That's very sad to read. I last saw him live in Birmingham on May 19, 2014, following attending Shepherd's Bush and the Electric Ballroom and he looked great. It's obvious how much he'd declined in the short duration between mid-2014 to late 2015. Clearly, something major happened during those months. My last memories of Prince are of him shadow-boxing on stage with 3RDEYEGIRL and looking genuinely renewed - so vital, youthful, energetic and alive. Am I correct in recalling you felt something was 'off' with Prince at his Londom Autism Rocks gig in 2015? * [Edited 9/15/19 16:02pm]

Ah, I was at both the Birmingham shows as well, and Shep Bush. Those were great shows.

And yep, you have a good memory.

The Autism Rocks gig was a bit strange. What I felt at that gig was that it took him and the band maybe 4 or 5 songs to really get "into it". And that felt strange to me because literally every other show I'd ever seen, it had been on point from the second he hit the stage.

The first few songs at Autism Rocks almost felt like a rehearsal to me. There was a sort of disconnect, for lack of a better way of describing it, and I remember mentioning it directly afterwards with a friend (might have been Mobeen, the author/journalist).

That show was what? 6-8 months before he first started talking to journalist about Piano & A Mic. The first P&AM shows were supposed to be in Europe that November, I think.

Doalwa said:

It seems like there's an unhealthy obsession on part of the Estate to exclusively focus on his 80s output...Love thy will be Done on Originals excluded..seem we have Jay Z. to thank for at least including one 90s song.

I also hope we'll see P&M released one day but I'm not counting on it...too much unreleased 80s stuff to get to first...

Money.