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Thread started 08/28/19 5:03am

SoftSkarlettLo
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Does Prince's guitar solos sound like heavy metal to you?

I have compared Prince's guitar solos with, say, the guitar solos in Ozzy Osbourne songs. They sound similar.

I say Prince was influenced by Jimi Hendrix in guitar, but alsso drew inspiration from heavy metal. What do you think?
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Reply #1 posted 08/28/19 6:45am

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His lead playing takes inspiration from Hendrix and Carlos Santana in the main. He could rock out like the metal guys for sure but to me his playing has more depth. He remains one of funk musics best ever rhythm guitarists too smile

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Reply #2 posted 08/28/19 7:10am

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i seriously doubt he was inspired by metal. its just that most guitarists from rock, funk, metal.... all can be traced back to hendrix in some degree, so theres going to be similarities and connections.

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Reply #3 posted 08/28/19 9:34am

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Depends what he's playing and how one defines heavy metal. Are we taking about music that decended from Zeppelin or Sabbath? I would argue any of Prince's hard rock sensibilities came from the former not the latter. I've heard Prince covers of Whole Lotta Love that rock as hard as anybody. Endorphinmachine live at Montreux 2013 rocks as hard as anything Aerosmith ever did. I Like It There live in Portland 2013 has a real grunge feel to it. But I'm probably one of the weird Prince fans who preferred when he really rocked out. I'll take Bambi over Adore any day.

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Reply #4 posted 08/28/19 9:43am

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i seriously doubt he was inspired by metal. its just that most guitarists from rock, funk, metal.... all can be traced back to hendrix in some degree, so theres going to be similarities and connections.

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Reply #5 posted 08/28/19 9:54am

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rogifan said:

Depends what he's playing and how one defines heavy metal. Are we taking about music that decended from Zeppelin or Sabbath? I would argue any of Prince's hard rock sensibilities came from the former not the latter. I've heard Prince covers of Whole Lotta Love that rock as hard as anybody. Endorphinmachine live at Montreux 2013 rocks as hard as anything Aerosmith ever did. I Like It There live in Portland 2013 has a real grunge feel to it. But I'm probably one of the weird Prince fans who preferred when he really rocked out. I'll take Bambi over Adore any day.


You're not the only one. Used to be so disappointed when he would bury the guitar on albums after Purple Rain. He'd bring it out again live and I would think "Oh there it is! Why does he do that? Especially when he achieved his highest level of Fame with that harder guitar sound style of pop music?" It took me a while to understand that he was catering to different audiences with different albums at different times.
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Reply #6 posted 08/28/19 12:50pm

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what show did he do in europe with 3rd eye....real heavy show thats bootlegged on video...i think amsterdam ..shot from balcony..??

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Reply #7 posted 08/28/19 12:59pm

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is it wrong that I've always heard more Eddie Hazel and Ernie Isley instead of Hendrix?

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Reply #8 posted 08/28/19 1:01pm

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rogifan said:

Depends what he's playing and how one defines heavy metal. Are we taking about music that decended from Zeppelin or Sabbath? I would argue any of Prince's hard rock sensibilities came from the former not the latter. I've heard Prince covers of Whole Lotta Love that rock as hard as anybody. Endorphinmachine live at Montreux 2013 rocks as hard as anything Aerosmith ever did. I Like It There live in Portland 2013 has a real grunge feel to it. But I'm probably one of the weird Prince fans who preferred when he really rocked out. I'll take Bambi over Adore any day.

I feel like the majority of fans on the org prefer "rock" Prince, honestly. This is how TGE fans manage to cut through (or ignore) the cheese.

When I was one of them it used to irritate me to no end that the guitar solos on his records are by and large pretty low in volume in the mix, especially in comparison to how central and loud in the mix they were live. He pretty much fixed this by TGE but man, I still find them too quiet on those 80s records.

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Reply #9 posted 08/28/19 1:27pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:

is it wrong that I've always heard more Eddie Hazel and Ernie Isley instead of Hendrix?

Nope, not at all. Of course he was influenced by Hendrix but Carlos Santana is his biggest inspiration and I bet 4 sure that he loved him some Eddie and Ernie too! I get annoyed when some people just want to constantly compare him to ONLY Hendrix though, but us true fans see the differences in the style and sound. I too love my guitar hard rocking Prince because he has spoiled us, but I also love the ballads too. biggrin

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Reply #10 posted 08/28/19 1:42pm

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He may have been inspired etc by Santana but he did do some metal like soloing and they were usually beneath the cream of the songs when he did do Randy Rhoades and metal style guitar playing... listen to Annie Christian and Get It Up closely for example.

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Reply #11 posted 08/28/19 2:54pm

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luv2tha99s said:

rogifan said:

Depends what he's playing and how one defines heavy metal. Are we taking about music that decended from Zeppelin or Sabbath? I would argue any of Prince's hard rock sensibilities came from the former not the latter. I've heard Prince covers of Whole Lotta Love that rock as hard as anybody. Endorphinmachine live at Montreux 2013 rocks as hard as anything Aerosmith ever did. I Like It There live in Portland 2013 has a real grunge feel to it. But I'm probably one of the weird Prince fans who preferred when he really rocked out. I'll take Bambi over Adore any day.

You're not the only one. Used to be so disappointed when he would bury the guitar on albums after Purple Rain. He'd bring it out again live and I would think "Oh there it is! Why does he do that? Especially when he achieved his highest level of Fame with that harder guitar sound style of pop music?" It took me a while to understand that he was catering to different audiences with different albums at different times.


It's a shame that so many don't think of him as a rocker because it wasn't front and center on records and so much live stuff has been removed from YouTube. Stratus at Montreux 2009 isn't metal but it's amazing and probably one reason guys like Steve Vai were fans.

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Reply #12 posted 08/28/19 3:09pm

TheFman

when i was very young and didnt know metal, i though With You sounded a bit like heavy metal.
But then I grew up and learned to know more than just Prince, and recognized metal was nothing to do with it, even seen from very far away by a blind man.

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Reply #13 posted 08/28/19 3:10pm

Missmusicluver
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rogifan said:

luv2tha99s said:

rogifan said: You're not the only one. Used to be so disappointed when he would bury the guitar on albums after Purple Rain. He'd bring it out again live and I would think "Oh there it is! Why does he do that? Especially when he achieved his highest level of Fame with that harder guitar sound style of pop music?" It took me a while to understand that he was catering to different audiences with different albums at different times.


It's a shame that so many don't think of him as a rocker because it wasn't front and center on records and so much live stuff has been removed from YouTube. Stratus at Montreux 2009 isn't metal but it's amazing and probably one reason guys like Steve Vai were fans.

Exactly! There is WAY more to his phenomenal guitar playing than the Super Bowl performance and the RRHOF in 2004. That just seems like that is all the mainstream wants to focus on though. Man are they missing out!

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Reply #14 posted 08/28/19 3:30pm

MIInsane

The "Bambi" solo from "The Undertaker" is pure metal.

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Reply #15 posted 08/28/19 4:13pm

Missmusicluver
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MIInsane said:

The "Bambi" solo from "The Undertaker" is pure metal.

Yes that it smokin' and you should also hear the same solo from the 1990 Nude Tour, it is also pure fire! I would definetly say many of his solos do sound like heavy metal.

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Reply #16 posted 08/28/19 7:47pm

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Missmusicluver72 said:

MIInsane said:

The "Bambi" solo from "The Undertaker" is pure metal.

Yes that it smokin' and you should also hear the same solo from the 1990 Nude Tour, it is also pure fire! I would definetly say many of his solos do sound like heavy metal.

This is pretty good too.

https://vimeo.com/254237430

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Reply #17 posted 08/28/19 7:51pm

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Reply #18 posted 08/28/19 8:05pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:

is it wrong that I've always heard more Eddie Hazel and Ernie Isley instead of Hendrix?


Because Ernie used tons of effects like P
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Reply #19 posted 08/29/19 1:36am

SoftSkarlettLo
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So you wouldn't consider Prince's guitar solos in songs like Computer Blue, Thunder, Live 4 Love, Call The Law somewhat metal? The way his fingers went nuts on the strings, dissorting them?

I always considered Prince's 90's music dark rock/ pop.

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Reply #20 posted 08/29/19 7:17am

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His guitar playing sounds exactly like a guy who grew up in the 70's listening to popular 70's rock. I don't see any direct lines from any specific player to his playing, he kind of absorbed it all. So yes, there is obviously heavy metal in there.

Having said that, Eddie Hazel is the one player I don't hear in his playing, at least not in the 80's, maybe in stuff like the Undertaker.

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Reply #21 posted 08/29/19 2:20pm

Missmusicluver
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rogifan said:

This kicks ass.

https://www.youtube.com/w...5Hhpr8wq_g

https://www.youtube.com/w...qL8Uj4WcH4

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Thanks for these links and the one when he was on Jimmy Fallon! Rockin hard cool

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Reply #22 posted 08/30/19 7:20am

mediumdry

Prince was quite influenced in his early years by Dez. Dez is much more of a rocker than Prince was. Personally, I love how the pre-revolution could rock out. Case in point, this version of Bambi. Kind of like Thin Lizzy on speed.

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And yes, Jimi, Eddie, Ernie, Carlos... he had a lot of influences. (also Grand Funk Railroad, for instance) It's quite natural for someone that was all about the music to be influenced by many around him, wether on record or in person.

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