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Reply #240 posted 10/06/19 4:52am

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violetcrush said:

feeluupp said:

I also have an early copy of the book, I won't spoil anything, but as others who have the book early have posted on Twitter, it's a mix of an uncomplete memoir with a lot of never before seen handwritten images...

It's less of a "memoir" by Prince but more like a mix and a collage of anything or everything personal.

To be honest I wasn't that impressed with this at all. You can see they tried there best to fill in the missing pieces that Prince couldn't finish before his passing.

Expected as much all along. He had just begun writing and planning the book, and was only two months into it. The new pictures and handwritten pieces will be nice to see, but I knew the rest would be someone else’s perspective.

Thank you for the information feeluupp. I agree violetcrush anything that is not verified as handwritten by Prince is simply someone elses perspective or interpretation and may or may not be accurate. Also as Prince has passed R.I.P. he is not around to either verify (sign off) or dispute any of what might be written about him by 'anyone' posthumously.

*

Put 10 people in a room with Prince for a 1 hour conversation and afterwards you will have some varying perspectives and memories of what he said or meant. Its human nature to consciously or unconsciously convey one's own interpretation or view when writing on subjects (Im sure I do it myself and I worked as an Assistant Editor in a Publishing House in the past).

*

Of course the NPGMC knowledge room essays that Prince wrote providing an authentic insight into his thinking at that time - along with of course his lyrics and interviews. It would have been very interesting to read an indepth description from Prince on various subjects including his relationship with the folks/execs that run the music industry and the "bombshells" Prince mentioned were going to be unleashed in this book..

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Reply #241 posted 10/06/19 6:15am

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luv4u said:



violetcrush said:


feeluupp said:

I also have an early copy of the book, I won't spoil anything, but as others who have the book early have posted on Twitter, it's a mix of an uncomplete memoir with a lot of never before seen handwritten images...



It's less of a "memoir" by Prince but more like a mix and a collage of anything or everything personal.



To be honest I wasn't that impressed with this at all. You can see they tried there best to fill in the missing pieces that Prince couldn't finish before his passing.



Expected as much all along. He had just begun writing and planning the book, and was only two months into it. The new pictures and handwritten pieces will be nice to see, but I knew the rest would be someone else’s perspective.


I am looking to reading this book.


I am too, and I pre-ordered it a long time ago, but most of the book was not written by Prince. So, it will be another Biography along with a small bit of Prince’s own writing. We have his songs though. They tell his life story.
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Reply #242 posted 10/06/19 10:46am

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luv4u said:


I am looking to reading this book.

I am too, and I pre-ordered it a long time ago, but most of the book was not written by Prince. So, it will be another Biography along with a small bit of Prince’s own writing. We have his songs though. They tell his life story.



Yes, I am tempering my expectations of what I will see, no matter what the hype is.

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Reply #243 posted 10/06/19 11:20am

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If you read the New Yorker article, you have a really good idea of how far along the project actually was.

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Reply #244 posted 10/06/19 11:25am

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^^^ Yes, I read the full article, and my take on it was that they were just getting started, and Prince had many varying ideas about where he ultimately wanted to go with the book at the time of his death. Alas, we will never know what the final choices would have been, and how long it would have taken him to complete the book.

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Reply #245 posted 10/06/19 1:00pm

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violetcrush said:

^^^ Yes, I read the full article, and my take on it was that they were just getting started, and Prince had many varying ideas about where he ultimately wanted to go with the book at the time of his death. Alas, we will never know what the final choices would have been, and how long it would have taken him to complete the book.

The book was originally set to be released the end of the following year 2017. So it was a deadline. But did give him a chance to complete it. Sadly Prince(r.i.p.) didn't.

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Reply #246 posted 10/06/19 1:33pm

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mk456 said:

violetcrush said:

feeluupp said: Expected as much all along. He had just begun writing and planning the book, and was only two months into it. The new pictures and handwritten pieces will be nice to see, but I knew the rest would be someone else’s perspective.

Thank you for the information feeluupp. I agree violetcrush anything that is not verified as handwritten by Prince is simply someone elses perspective or interpretation and may or may not be accurate. Also as Prince has passed R.I.P. he is not around to either verify (sign off) or dispute any of what might be written about him by 'anyone' posthumously.

*

Put 10 people in a room with Prince for a 1 hour conversation and afterwards you will have some varying perspectives and memories of what he said or meant. Its human nature to consciously or unconsciously convey one's own interpretation or view when writing on subjects (Im sure I do it myself and I worked as an Assistant Editor in a Publishing House in the past).

*

Of course the NPGMC knowledge room essays that Prince wrote providing an authentic insight into his thinking at that time - along with of course his lyrics and interviews. It would have been very interesting to read an indepth description from Prince on various subjects including his relationship with the folks/execs that run the music industry and the "bombshells" Prince mentioned were going to be unleashed in this book..

[Edited 10/6/19 4:53am]

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Much props to this statement. That's always been the case when it comes to Prince. In all the bio's, in all the recounting by associate's, in all the different interpretations about this man's songs and who they're for; it's all pretty much everybody else's perspectives and have never been Prince's. I can count on one hand that we actually heard what Prince himself had to say about all a that. That's why I can't wait for his written words. I don't care if it's only 10 pages, it's more important to me because Prince is the one saying it, and not perspective and interpretations coming from some Prince associate.

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Reply #247 posted 10/06/19 2:09pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:



mk456 said:




violetcrush said:


feeluupp said: Expected as much all along. He had just begun writing and planning the book, and was only two months into it. The new pictures and handwritten pieces will be nice to see, but I knew the rest would be someone else’s perspective.


Thank you for the information feeluupp. I agree violetcrush anything that is not verified as handwritten by Prince is simply someone elses perspective or interpretation and may or may not be accurate. Also as Prince has passed R.I.P. he is not around to either verify (sign off) or dispute any of what might be written about him by 'anyone' posthumously.


*


Put 10 people in a room with Prince for a 1 hour conversation and afterwards you will have some varying perspectives and memories of what he said or meant. Its human nature to consciously or unconsciously convey one's own interpretation or view when writing on subjects (Im sure I do it myself and I worked as an Assistant Editor in a Publishing House in the past).


*


Of course the NPGMC knowledge room essays that Prince wrote providing an authentic insight into his thinking at that time - along with of course his lyrics and interviews. It would have been very interesting to read an indepth description from Prince on various subjects including his relationship with the folks/execs that run the music industry and the "bombshells" Prince mentioned were going to be unleashed in this book..






[Edited 10/6/19 4:53am]



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Much props to this statement. That's always been the case when it comes to Prince. In all the bio's, in all the recounting by associate's, in all the different interpretations about this man's songs and who they're for; it's all pretty much everybody else's perspectives and have never been Prince's. I can count on one hand that we actually heard what Prince himself had to say about all a that. That's why I can't wait for his written words. I don't care if it's only 10 pages, it's more important to me because Prince is the one saying it, and not perspective and interpretations coming from some Prince associate.


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That’s all well and good, but I would not set your expectation that Prince countered specific statements made about his songs or associates’ statements about their experiences. I guess anything is possible, but it’s already been stated that he did not get past his childhood with regard to his own writing. It was just the first set of pages he submitted for Dan to review.
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Reply #248 posted 10/06/19 2:38pm

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violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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Much props to this statement. That's always been the case when it comes to Prince. In all the bio's, in all the recounting by associate's, in all the different interpretations about this man's songs and who they're for; it's all pretty much everybody else's perspectives and have never been Prince's. I can count on one hand that we actually heard what Prince himself had to say about all a that. That's why I can't wait for his written words. I don't care if it's only 10 pages, it's more important to me because Prince is the one saying it, and not perspective and interpretations coming from some Prince associate.

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That’s all well and good, but I would not set your expectation that Prince countered specific statements made about his songs or associates’ statements about their experiences. I guess anything is possible, but it’s already been stated that he did not get past his childhood with regard to his own writing. It was just the first set of pages he submitted for Dan to review.

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Prince cleared up a lot of stuff before he passed so I don't care about him talking about specific songs. Like I said, I don't care if he only wrote 10 pages. I'm more interested in hearing from him and not others about any part of his life. Eveyone can pick and choose whose perspectives on Prince they wanna believe. The list goes on and on with the different perspectives ...

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Reply #249 posted 10/06/19 2:52pm

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icecreamcastle777 said:



violetcrush said:


icecreamcastle777 said:


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Much props to this statement. That's always been the case when it comes to Prince. In all the bio's, in all the recounting by associate's, in all the different interpretations about this man's songs and who they're for; it's all pretty much everybody else's perspectives and have never been Prince's. I can count on one hand that we actually heard what Prince himself had to say about all a that. That's why I can't wait for his written words. I don't care if it's only 10 pages, it's more important to me because Prince is the one saying it, and not perspective and interpretations coming from some Prince associate.


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That’s all well and good, but I would not set your expectation that Prince countered specific statements made about his songs or associates’ statements about their experiences. I guess anything is possible, but it’s already been stated that he did not get past his childhood with regard to his own writing. It was just the first set of pages he submitted for Dan to review.

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Prince cleared up a lot of stuff before he passed. I don't care about him talking about specific songs. Like I said, I don't care if he only wrote 10 pages. I'm more interested in hearing from him and not others about any part of his life. Eveyone can pick and choose whose perspectives on Prince they wanna believe. The list goes on and on with the different perspectives ...


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Prince really didn’t “clear up” anything at all before he passed, and if you really listen to his first P&M show you will hear him playing out his life in words and songs, which aligned with the Biographies, and also admitting to long held statements. And to be fair, Prince often purposely gave various “perspectives” about things happening in his life through the years, because he wanted to remain private and/or mysterious.
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That being said, I am sure with whatever he wrote about his life - he was ready to be honest and forthright.
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Reply #250 posted 10/06/19 3:18pm

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violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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Prince cleared up a lot of stuff before he passed. I don't care about him talking about specific songs. Like I said, I don't care if he only wrote 10 pages. I'm more interested in hearing from him and not others about any part of his life. Eveyone can pick and choose whose perspectives on Prince they wanna believe. The list goes on and on with the different perspectives ...

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Prince really didn’t “clear up” anything at all before he passed, and if you really listen to his first P&M show you will hear him playing out his life in words and songs, which aligned with the Biographies, and also admitting to long held statements. And to be fair, Prince often purposely gave various “perspectives” about things happening in his life through the years, because he wanted to remain private and/or mysterious. * That being said, I am sure with whatever he wrote about his life - he was ready to be honest and forthright. [Edited 10/6/19 14:54pm]

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Dude, stop feigning for someone to agree with you. I'm not the one. Stop responding to my comments with this dumb shit. rolleyes

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Reply #251 posted 10/06/19 3:43pm

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icecreamcastle777 said:



violetcrush said:


icecreamcastle777 said:


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Prince cleared up a lot of stuff before he passed. I don't care about him talking about specific songs. Like I said, I don't care if he only wrote 10 pages. I'm more interested in hearing from him and not others about any part of his life. Eveyone can pick and choose whose perspectives on Prince they wanna believe. The list goes on and on with the different perspectives ...


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Prince really didn’t “clear up” anything at all before he passed, and if you really listen to his first P&M show you will hear him playing out his life in words and songs, which aligned with the Biographies, and also admitting to long held statements. And to be fair, Prince often purposely gave various “perspectives” about things happening in his life through the years, because he wanted to remain private and/or mysterious. * That being said, I am sure with whatever he wrote about his life - he was ready to be honest and forthright. [Edited 10/6/19 14:54pm]

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Dude, stop feigning for someone to agree with you. I'm not the one. Stop responding to my comments with this dumb shit. rolleyes


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I actually never expected any agreement from you. It’s a different opinion. They are allowed here.
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Reply #252 posted 10/06/19 4:28pm

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violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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Dude, stop feigning for someone to agree with you. I'm not the one. Stop responding to my comments with this dumb shit. rolleyes

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I actually never expected any agreement from you. It’s a different opinion. They are allowed here.

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No, it's you desperately trying to bring up, every chance you get (hoping someone believe you) a random comment by Prince at the P&M show (that dude could be talking about anything or anyone in particular - a big possibility Vanity...) but you presume outta yo ass that he's talking about Susannah coz that's who you wish him to be talking about. wink

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Reply #253 posted 10/06/19 5:01pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:



violetcrush said:


icecreamcastle777 said:


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Dude, stop feigning for someone to agree with you. I'm not the one. Stop responding to my comments with this dumb shit. rolleyes


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I actually never expected any agreement from you. It’s a different opinion. They are allowed here.

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No, it's you desperately trying to bring up, every chance you get (hoping someone believe you) a random comment by Prince at the P&M show (that dude could be talking about anything or anyone in particular - a big possibility Vanity...) but you presume outta yo ass that he's talking about Susannah coz that's who you wish him to be talking about. wink


No, actually it’s you cryptically or blatantly doing what you are accusing me of doing. You just did it again right there. But okay, sure lol
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Reply #254 posted 10/06/19 5:20pm

icecreamcastle
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violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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No, it's you desperately trying to bring up, every chance you get (hoping someone believe you) a random comment by Prince at the P&M show (that dude could be talking about anything or anyone in particular - a big possibility Vanity...) but you presume outta yo ass that he's talking about Susannah coz that's who you wish him to be talking about. wink

No, actually it’s you cryptically or blatantly doing what you are accusing me of doing. You just did it again right there. But okay, sure lol


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Reply #255 posted 10/07/19 1:02am

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icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said: I actually never expected any agreement from you. It’s a different opinion. They are allowed here.

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No, it's you desperately trying to bring up, every chance you get (hoping someone believe you) a random comment by Prince at the P&M show (that dude could be talking about anything or anyone in particular - a big possibility Vanity...) but you presume outta yo ass that he's talking about Susannah coz that's who you wish him to be talking about. wink


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Reply #256 posted 10/07/19 1:03am

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icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said: Prince really didn’t “clear up” anything at all before he passed, and if you really listen to his first P&M show you will hear him playing out his life in words and songs, which aligned with the Biographies, and also admitting to long held statements. And to be fair, Prince often purposely gave various “perspectives” about things happening in his life through the years, because he wanted to remain private and/or mysterious. * That being said, I am sure with whatever he wrote about his life - he was ready to be honest and forthright. [Edited 10/6/19 14:54pm]

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Dude, stop feigning for someone to agree with you. I'm not the one. Stop responding to my comments with this dumb shit. rolleyes

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[Edited 10/6/19 15:20pm]


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Reply #257 posted 10/07/19 4:37am

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gwiliandre said:



icecreamcastle777 said:




violetcrush said:


icecreamcastle777 said: I actually never expected any agreement from you. It’s a different opinion. They are allowed here.

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No, it's you desperately trying to bring up, every chance you get (hoping someone believe you) a random comment by Prince at the P&M show (that dude could be talking about anything or anyone in particular - a big possibility Vanity...) but you presume outta yo ass that he's talking about Susannah coz that's who you wish him to be talking about. wink



[Snip - luv4u]


lol Spoken like a true Vanity “stan”, same as icecreamcastle
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Reply #258 posted 10/07/19 8:17am

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violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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No, it's you desperately trying to bring up, every chance you get (hoping someone believe you) a random comment by Prince at the P&M show (that dude could be talking about anything or anyone in particular - a big possibility Vanity...) but you presume outta yo ass that he's talking about Susannah coz that's who you wish him to be talking about. wink

No, actually it’s you cryptically or blatantly doing what you are accusing me of doing. You just did it again right there. But okay, sure lol



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Reply #259 posted 10/07/19 11:35am

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Just to clear something up - it's not an autobiography by any means, but it's not a biography, either. There aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else, save for the intro by Dan which is simply his memories of how the book came about.

The remainder of the book (aside from the Dan intro and what was completed of the memoir) is the Dreams/Purple Rain treatment, lots of previously unseen photos, scans of handwritten lyrics for songs (Not gonna say which, but mostly ones from Purple Rain) and quotes from Prince interviews.

There aren't parts written by other people about Prince.




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Reply #260 posted 10/07/19 11:58am

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Just to clear something up - it's not an autobiography by any means, but it's not a biography, either. There aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else, save for the intro by Dan which is simply his memories of how the book came about.

The remainder of the book (aside from the Dan intro and what was completed of the memoir) is the Dreams/Purple Rain treatment, lots of previously unseen photos, scans of handwritten lyrics for songs (Not gonna say which, but mostly ones from Purple Rain) and quotes from Prince interviews.

There aren't parts written by other people about Prince.

^^ SPOILER

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Reply #261 posted 10/07/19 12:20pm

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poppys said:

Militant said:

Just to clear something up - it's not an autobiography by any means, but it's not a biography, either. There aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else, save for the intro by Dan which is simply his memories of how the book came about.

The remainder of the book (aside from the Dan intro and what was completed of the memoir) is the Dreams/Purple Rain treatment, lots of previously unseen photos, scans of handwritten lyrics for songs (Not gonna say which, but mostly ones from Purple Rain) and quotes from Prince interviews.

There aren't parts written by other people about Prince.

^^ SPOILER


how is that a spoiler? i haven't read anything about the memoir in weeks and weeks
but how could it be an autobiography or a biography if there were only a few dozen
handwritten pages from prince to go on?

it was always going to be a collage of stuff.

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Reply #262 posted 10/07/19 12:36pm

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^^ I'll just stop reading the thread now. It has gone beyond the topic of the New Yorker article anyway. I'm one of those analog people who likes to read fresh.

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Reply #263 posted 10/07/19 1:18pm

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The cover of the Finnish edition of the book can be seen here: https://www.kulttuuritahd...tml?166136

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Reply #264 posted 10/07/19 2:39pm

violetcrush

Militant said:

Just to clear something up - it's not an autobiography by any means, but it's not a biography, either. There aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else, save for the intro by Dan which is simply his memories of how the book came about.

The remainder of the book (aside from the Dan intro and what was completed of the memoir) is the Dreams/Purple Rain treatment, lots of previously unseen photos, scans of handwritten lyrics for songs (Not gonna say which, but mostly ones from Purple Rain) and quotes from Prince interviews.

There aren't parts written by other people about Prince.





Thanks for the clarification - and no, you did not spoil anything. Very glad there is no Biographical portion included.
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Reply #265 posted 10/07/19 3:18pm

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Militant said:

Just to clear something up - it's not an autobiography by any means, but it's not a biography, either. There aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else, save for the intro by Dan which is simply his memories of how the book came about.

The remainder of the book (aside from the Dan intro and what was completed of the memoir) is the Dreams/Purple Rain treatment, lots of previously unseen photos, scans of handwritten lyrics for songs (Not gonna say which, but mostly ones from Purple Rain) and quotes from Prince interviews.

There aren't parts written by other people about Prince.




Please don't spoil it for us. I'm so excited to get this book, and I'd rather not have any spoilers.

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Reply #266 posted 10/07/19 3:35pm

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Militant said:

Just to clear something up - it's not an autobiography by any means, but it's not a biography, either. There aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else, save for the intro by Dan which is simply his memories of how the book came about.

The remainder of the book (aside from the Dan intro and what was completed of the memoir) is the Dreams/Purple Rain treatment, lots of previously unseen photos, scans of handwritten lyrics for songs (Not gonna say which, but mostly ones from Purple Rain) and quotes from Prince interviews.

There aren't parts written by other people about Prince.




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Thank you for clearing up that there aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else. I think Dan's memories of how it came about just scared the shit out of some people... smile Not me though, I thought his intro reaked honesty and honored everything Prince wanted to communicate.

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Reply #267 posted 10/08/19 2:54am

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icecreamcastle777 said:

Militant said:

Just to clear something up - it's not an autobiography by any means, but it's not a biography, either. There aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else, save for the intro by Dan which is simply his memories of how the book came about.

The remainder of the book (aside from the Dan intro and what was completed of the memoir) is the Dreams/Purple Rain treatment, lots of previously unseen photos, scans of handwritten lyrics for songs (Not gonna say which, but mostly ones from Purple Rain) and quotes from Prince interviews.

There aren't parts written by other people about Prince.




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Thank you for clearing up that there aren't words on Prince's life written by anyone else. I think Dan's memories of how it came about just scared the shit out of some people... smile Not me though, I thought his intro reaked honesty and honored everything Prince wanted to communicate.

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Thank you for this! Yes!!!

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I've already updated the first post, but just to make sure you see it: O, i.e. Oprah's magazine, has an article by Chris Jackson, the editor of the book in its November 2019 issue: https://www.oprahmag.com/...s-jackson/

[Edited 10/9/19 8:37am]

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Reply #269 posted 10/09/19 9:54am

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^^ Great new article and photos. Thanks for posting!


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